richierich
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### A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

I know there was a thread regarding the A380's first visit to the USA, or JFK at least. Monday, March 19th is the date, and I believe she is due in about noon. Can somebody please confirm the latest?

My question is: which runway is she likely to be brought in on? I realize that nobody can predict weather conditions or traffic patterns for that day, but assuming weather is a non-event, what is the typical arrival pattern at that time of day? I'm guessing it will likely be 22R or 22L - the former is 11,300ft and can easily handle the A380. Are they likely to use 31L just because it is the A380 and therefore they want to use the longest available runway? (31L/13R is 14,500ft long, almost enough for the Space Shuttle!).

Just throwing this out there in case anybody had any insight into airport preferences.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

I don't know which runway we'll use, but I know that the estimated time of arrival 12h30 (local time) is.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):assuming weather is a non-event, what is the typical arrival pattern at that time of day?

It really could be anything. In optimal conditions, it would probably land on 22L, since that's where the European arrivals generally come in.

It'll be either 4R, 13L, 22L or 31L, I think. Which one of those will depend on the winds that day. Best would be 22L, that way even if it does switch to 22R, you'll still get a good view of it. With all the other runways, if you're set up for one and it lands on the other, you're pretty much out of luck.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

Please correct me if I am wrong. There is info on another thread about the A380 landing in LAX at 9am. This thread is stating that an A380 is arriving at JFK at 12.30 noon. Is it that two a380s are coming into the US and are landing within 30 minutes of each other on each coast?

Secondly is there a list of Anetters in the New York area meeting at JFK as a group in one of the spotting areas? If so, could someone kindly direct me to that thread.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Mir (Reply 2):With all the other runways, if you're set up for one and it lands on the other, you're pretty much out of luck.

That's kind of what I was afraid of!!!
I guess there is no reason that the A380 should get any different treatment than any other airliner though, so I presume watching where planes are landing at, say, 11:30AM or so, should give an indication which runway JFK is using.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Richierich (Reply 4): guess there is no reason that the A380 should get any different treatment than any other airliner though, so I presume watching where planes are landing at, say, 11:30AM or so, should give an indication which runway JFK is using.

I thought there was only 1 runway capable of handling it at the moment. I think 31L.

Best thing to do is have a scanner with you and monitor NY Approach. They will set it up for whichever Runway they want it to use well before you see it on approach.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):I'm guessing it will likely be 22R or 22L - the former is 11,300ft and can easily handle the A380

Except that the 22R has a mega displaced threshold, so the actual landing distance available is only 8,665 feet, and if its not a vfr day, the distance behind the glideslope is only about 7500 feet. I don't know the performance characteristics of the airplane, but I am guessing it will either be 13R or 31L, depending on the wind. Even though both those runways have displaced thresholds, the available landing distance in either direction is still over 11,000 feet.

One thing I am wondering, can you imagine an A380 doing the canarsie visual to 13R? That will really be something to see.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):31L/13R is 14,500ft long, almost enough for the Space Shuttle!).

It actually is designated as an alternate shuttle landing facility. That would be a hoot.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

The plane would more than likely land on the bay runway (13R/31L).

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

From what I hear, 31L will be used. And yes, 2 A380's will be used that day, 1 arriving at LAX and the other JFK at/almost the exact same time (according to plans).

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Apodino (Reply 6):Except that the 22R has a mega displaced threshold, so the actual landing distance available is only 8,665 feet

Too bad I don't have a car ... I would love to drive down Rockaway Blvd-878 past the Cargo buildings and try to intercept that beast on to 22L or R.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Apodino (Reply 6):Except that the 22R has a mega displaced threshold, so the actual landing distance available is only 8,665 feet, and if its not a vfr day, the distance behind the glideslope is only about 7500 feet.

It should still be more than enough for the A380 to roll out. It's not like they're landing the A380 in LGA or in MDW.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Apodino (Reply 6):Except that the 22R has a mega displaced threshold, so the actual landing distance available is only 8,665 feet,

Which is about the length of 22L, and 747s use that all the time. I can't see JFK making special procedures just for the 380, so it'll probably have to learn to fit into whatever traffic flow exists at the time. Which means landing on 22L, and yes, doing the Canarsie approach to 13L (which would look very cool, I admit).

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Mir (Reply 2): Best would be 22L, that way even if it does switch to 22R, you'll still get a good view of it.

Except if we are waiting to watch it land at 22L/R and they switch to using only 13L then we are screwed...

I can't but help think it will land on 31L...That being said, it would be great if we have confirmation before Monday.

 Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 9):From what I hear, 31L will be used

Please let us know when you find out for sure!

Also, what is the frequency for NY approach to monitor?
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

Though this was a while ago, I found this document on Google:

http://www.ans.dhmi.gov.tr/TR/ATCTR/...A380/JFK%20ICAO%203%20Dec%2004.pdf

On slide 13, it says the following:

Runway Width
• Have one 60 M Runway (4R/22L)
• 13R/31L will be 60 M by 2008

• Hope to see some of you over there.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Vnvlain (Reply 14):Runway Width Have one 60 M Runway (4R/22L) 13R/31L will be 60 M by 2008

So if I understand correctly, the only runway it can use at this point is 4R/22L? In that case, makes it easy - only that if it is 4R, that's the worst one to spot for.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

Do you think that the planes coming into JFK and LAX will be in contact with each other, and zig-zag a bit on their routing if it appears one is ahead of the other in terms of touchdown time? I think there's PR value in synchronizing these landings, so I'm wondering what the actual FlightAware routes will look like after it's all over. I'll bet one or both flights will show little 'hiccups' enroute, for no apparent reason.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

It would appear so...unless they finished the construction way ahead of schedule. I have never spotted in JFK before...can you explain why 4R is the worst one? Cheers.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Vnvlain (Reply 17):I have never spotted in JFK before...can you explain why 4R is the worst one?

The approaches to the 4s are over Jamaica Bay, so there's no practical way to get close to the planes.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

If it's coming in at 12:30, that means it should (hopefully) be flying over Boston around 11:45. I'll look up
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Mir (Reply 18):The approaches to the 4s are over Jamaica Bay, so there's no practical way to get close to the planes.

Not ideal, but we should be able to get a decent view if it is landing on 4R...That being said, 22L seems most likely if that is the only runway capable of handling it at this point...
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

What time does the A380 depart LAX?
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

Does anyone know if it'll fly over central Long Island tomorrow on its final into JFK? I live in there and usually a alot of Euro originated flights are coming right over my house so I can get a few decent shots.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting NYC777 (Reply 22):Does anyone know if it'll fly over central Long Island tomorrow on its final into JFK? I live in there and usually a alot of Euro originated flights are coming right over my house so I can get a few decent shots.

If she lands on Rwy 22L/R, she likely will. That's a standard pattern for the 22s.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):what is the frequency for NY approach to monitor?

Maybe still 125.7 for flights from Europe on initial contact?

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

any good place to get some good pictures?

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting PropilotJW (Reply 25):any good place to get some good pictures?

Check out www.nycaviation.com - you will find spotting maps for JFK, and check the message forum, we've been talking about it for a while now.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

I can't remember where, but I recall reading that there is a reason why the 2 A380's are landing so close together in time. And that the first will land in LAX. Something about LAX had dibs on being the first airport to receive the 380? Did anyone else here this or am I dreaming?
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

No, you remember correctly - Airbus told LAX they would get the first US flight if they moved up scheduled improvements to get LAX ready for the 380, then announced a couple of months ago that JFK would get the first flight. LAX authorities got pissed, and Airbus ended up adding LAX to the schedule.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Mir (Reply 15):So if I understand correctly, the only runway it can use at this point is 4R/22L? In that case, makes it easy - only that if it is 4R, that's the worst one to spot for.

Even though that might be like the worst case scenario for a lot of people but you still can get a good shot if it's landing on 4R, you can go to Rockaway Beach and the plan should be just on top of your head.

I wish it will use that one since it will pass just right over my House and i don't even need to leave my house to catch it

Hope for the best.

Does any one have any idea what time it should leave?
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 1): don't know which runway we'll use, but I know that the estimated time of arrival 12h30 (local time) is.

 Quoting Airplanenut (Reply 19):If it's coming in at 12:30, that means it should (hopefully) be flying over Boston around 11:45. I'll look up

Dammit! ill be in school at that time!    i go to school/live right under the corridor for all east coast airports - lots of contrail spotting for me, especially JFK/EWR bound flights. I would like to see the flight history when i get home...what flight number will it operate under? when will it depart JFK?

it will be so cool on flight aware to see the page with "all current aloft aircraft" and the regular 289 757s, 250 A320s, then 2 A380s!
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

KJFK 182330Z 190024 28018G30KT P6SM FEW050 SCT250
FM0400 29015KT P6SM SCT070
FM0900 28008KT P6SM SKC
FM1500 23010KT P6SM SCT040
FM2100 19018G28KT P6SM SCT040 BKN080

Expect 22L or 22R arrival, at least that's what I would go with if I was a betting man

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 31):Expect 22L or 22R arrival, at least that's what I would go with if I was a betting man

Looks like it.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 31):KJFK 182330Z 190024 28018G30KT P6SM FEW050 SCT250 FM0400 29015KT P6SM SCT070 FM0900 28008KT P6SM SKC FM1500 23010KT P6SM SCT040 FM2100 19018G28KT P6SM SCT040 BKN080 Expect 22L or 22R arrival, at least that's what I would go with if I was a betting man

That would be my guess so that Long Island can get a good look at her as she floats her way in. Also, 22R and 22L are excellent view from T3 and 4 and an easy taxi to T1 where I'm assuming she'll be going?

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

Probably due to the ice and snow it will be diverted to Teterboro....   Can you imagine sitting on Jfks, tarmac 9 hrs on that thing in first class,,, I believe i would just get hammerd
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

31L or 13R Please! History will be made tomorrow and I would like to be close to it. It would be cool if it did a fly by or better yet a go around. But since pax will be on board, I doubt it.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

Jfk to Dca to Ord to Jfk-Hkg??

Lax is coming in empty and will we spending a lot of time taxing and running around the tarmac..

anyway who ever gets it first they will both be here tommorow.. its said leaving germany at 430 pm Eastern time so is it in the air now???
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

Can the A380 only land on runways that are about 200' wide. I have always wondered why airports built runways 200' wide when 150' would do.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

stand corrected 4 am not pm///

The air show Monday begins at Frankfurt International Airport, when the 239-foot-long plane takes off as Lufthansa Flight 8940 at 9 a.m. (4 a.m. EDT) for the eight-hour flight to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. Onboard will be 550 people, including four pilots, four Airbus crew members, 23 Lufthansa cabin crew and 519 passengers, mostly Airbus and Lufthansa employees along with some reporters.

The flight will operate just as if it were a commercial one, with full dining and entertainment services.

As a test on Sunday, organizers boarded more than 500 people onto the aircraft using two jetways with an impressive time of less than 20 minutes. A second test was held to see if the Lufthansa workers could board it faster.

Airbus pilot Wolfgang Absmeier said the boarding process Monday will take longer.

"People are going to be curious and looking around as they get on," he said, standing at the base of a staircase leading to the plane's second level.

After the inaugural run, Lufthansa and Airbus will operate a demonstration flight to Chicago's O'Hare International Airport on Tuesday before returning to New York and then to Frankfurt. The plane then heads to Hong Kong and back before continuing its journey to Washington Dulles International Airport on March 25, with a final stop at Lufthansa's Munich hub March 28 to complete the series of optimization flights.
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 37):Can the A380 only land on runways that are about 200' wide. I have always wondered why airports built runways 200' wide when 150' would do.

Might have something to do with 4R/22L being JFK's CatIII runway.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 34):Probably due to the ice and snow it will be diverted to Teterboro....

Which would make me one very happy person

Does anyone else think they have something planned like a little stroll down the Hudson river??? Surely they wouldn't pass up a media opportunity like that

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 30): what flight number will it operate under?

LH8940

[Edited 2007-03-19 05:30:08]

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

So it is going to land on 22L or 22R then it would have to come over central Long Island?
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

 Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 30):Dammit! ill be in school at that time! i go to school/live right under the corridor for all east coast airports - lots of contrail spotting for me, especially JFK/EWR bound flights. I would like to see the flight history when i get home...what flight number will it operate under? when will it depart JFK?

They've been reporting on it this morning on the Today show. They just showed the "air show" screen and it appears that they are taking a southern route and usually in that case they don't fly over Boston. They'll stay over the Ocean all the way. Looks like a beautiful cabin inside, from the little they have shown.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

Just woke up and saw it on flight tracker...Gonna have to get used to seeing A388 written under "aircraft"
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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

FlightAware isn't tracking it, but Flytecomm.com is:

http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight

Airline Lufthansa
Flight Number 8940
Departure City (Airport) Frankfurt, Germany (EDDF)
Departure Time 03/19/2007 10:00 AM
Arrival City (Airport) New York, NY (JFK)
Arrival Time 03/19/2007 12:18 PM
Remaining Flight Time 03:02
Aircraft Type A388
Current Altitude 36,000 feet
Current Groundspeed 436 mph
Flight Status In Flight
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

it was 22L in the end

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### RE: A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?

A380 come and gone, this thread is done. No more guesses about which runway it'll use I bet.
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