bacardi182
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What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 10:44 am


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this was probley due to a weight imbalance but i dont see any cargo loading machines. could very strong winds have caused this? if there were 300 mph winds at an airport, would the lift off the ground and start flying?


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how does the nose gear become "off center"
 
DaveT
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 10:49 am

The cargo loader for the AC 74E is on the other side of the plane. You can just make out the wheels and structure between the lower airframe and ground. The cargo door is situated on the port side of the aircraft and we are seeing the starboard side.
 
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 10:53 am

It would appear according to the QF shot from Craig that the front gear has become "twisted" and explains the fierce smoke and rubber emitting from the friction.

Why it happened is anyones guess except the crew.
 
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 11:00 am

With the Air Canada 747, the thing is that it is very tail heavy, due to the fact that when the government of Canada ordered these planes for AC they had asked for a hell of a lot of extra fire protection, on the walls and floors of the cargo comartment...this means that the plane requires what is known as a pogo-stick to support the back end of the plane. Pax and cargo can not be deplaned until this is in place. in this case the ground crews did not know this, and when they unloaded the cargo from the from of the plane before the back, they caused the plane to drop on it's A**....There a big pictures of this in the Air Canada Cargo Building at YYZ
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 11:06 am

Slawko, all combis need a tailstand. The extra fire protection doesn't make any difference. If it did, the a/c would never fly.
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 11:07 am

that is hysterical! i hope no one was hurt.
 
slawko
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 11:10 am

Actually Air Canada's Combies are unique in the world, although i didn't know that all combies needed the pogo, AC's 744's are the heaviest 744's flying, and there fore have a greatly reduced range when combared to other 744 combies....Thanks for the info about other combies...I didn't know that
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DaveT
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 11:19 am

Slawko,

you mention that AC's 744's are the heaviest 744's flying! That is not exactly true....

Ironically, AF's 74E's are scaled heavier....

AC 74E = 394600
AF 74E = 394625
 
JT8DJET
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 12:35 pm

Please correct me if I am wrong, but if you click the tail # link on the Air Canada photo and look at the other photos in the series. It would appear the someone retracted the landing gear handle with hydraulic power on. It looks like the body gear is stowed. all I can see is the wing gear. The body gear retracts fwd & up, the wing gear retracts inboard & up. With the weight of the acft on the gear, the wing gear won't move if someone inadvertenly raised the gear handle. On the other hand the body gear will retract. Since the body gear is located aft of the wing gear, this would change the center of gravity on the acft, hence the tail goes down to the ground. That just my opinion, I could be wrong.
 
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 12:49 pm

The air canada is truley a loading problem. the aircraft should of had a tailstand connected before loading or Unloading. The aircraft must have been about empty on fuel accounting for the aft cg problem. If we load combi's you need to have a tailstand or have enough fuel on to bring the cg foward. The nose gear not centered is probably caused by a defective centering cam in side the nose strut. something broke inside the strut or defective maint. 
 
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Wed Jul 26, 2000 12:52 pm

Yeah, mabey I need glasses.
 
jmc757
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Thu Jul 27, 2000 2:50 am

Sorry to tell you this guys......
But.........

With the power of todays computers, i think someone has mixed 2 photos, and made it look VERY convincing. it is more likely that anything else!

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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Thu Jul 27, 2000 2:56 am

No, this actually happened!
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Thu Jul 27, 2000 2:58 am

sorry, JMC757, but refer to the 727, and also i believe a few others that were built tail-heavy. that's why the 727 had the skystairs in the rear. As fuelers, it was a standard check to make sure they were down.
 
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RE: Strong Crosswinds

Thu Jul 27, 2000 3:02 am

The 747's landing gear can articulate sideways to a limited degree. Most airplanes are crabbed into the wind on landing, then straightened out just before the flare. But the 747 is so big, it's hard to aline it with the runway at the last second, so the landing gear can literally turn into the wind. Pretty neat. The old Cessna 195 taildragger had a similiar system, but being a not so easy to land plane, many have been refitted with normal tires.

My favorite picture is of a Delta MD-11 sitting on it's tail after being misloaded. I also saw a Tu-154 resting on it's tail, and the caption said that a mechanic would enter the airplane and sloooowly crawl towards the front until it returned to the earth. That'd be a pretty cool thing to do.
 
jeb
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Thu Jul 27, 2000 5:29 am

OK -- we have established (I think) why the plane is on its tail. The next question should be: How the heck do they get the thing back on its wheels?????

Thanks,
Jeb
 
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Thu Jul 27, 2000 6:22 am

Ummmm unload it?
 
bacardi182
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RE: What Is Wrong With These Two Pictures?

Thu Jul 27, 2000 1:01 pm

more pictures.....


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