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TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:39 pm

From Airline Business´ newest issue:

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TAP also has acquired five new A330s for delivery in 2007 and 2008. Pinto says these will be used to replace TAP’s five A310s but additional A330s could still be acquired.

The entire A330/A340 fleet will eventually be replaced by A350 XWBs, with A350-800s replacing A330s and larger A350-900s replacing A340s. Pinto expects to sign a formal contract later this year with Airbus for 12 firm A350 XWBs, plus three options “which in principal will be firmed pretty quickly”.



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Pinto is now negotiating to acquire three second-hand Airbus A330s, which will be delivered between June and December this year and expand TAP’s widebody fleet to 15 aircraft. The A330s may be used to launch flights to the Brazilian capital Brasilia, which would be TAP’s seventh destination in Brazil.



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TAP also is committed to acquiring four additional A320s over the next three years, which will expand its narrowbody fleet to about 40 aircraft. Pinto plans to keep Portugalia’s fleet of six Fokker 100s and eight Embraer ERJ-145s for at least two years, after which TAP will consider Fokker replacements.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...steady-growth-at-tap-portugal.html

Quite ambitious plans for TAP IMO. I wouldn´t be too surprised to have Lufthansa/TAP open up several additional routes to Germany and to increase frequency on FRA/MUC-LIS to have LIS become the South America gateway for Star Alliance from Europe. All in all good news for Airbus it seems.
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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:47 pm

Does anyone know how many A350 old version that they have on order?
 
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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:52 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
Does anyone know how many A350 old version that they have on order?


12. 8 A358s and 4 A359s.
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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:00 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 2):
12. 8 A358s and 4 A359s.

Ta, so it's a 1 for 1 swap. If this goes through and AB get the EI order then it will be a timely boost for the XWB programme - but what they really need is a biggie (QR, EK, LH, AF?)
 
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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:03 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
Ta, so it's a 1 for 1 swap. If this goes through and AB get the EI order then it will be a timely boost for the XWB programme - but what they really need is a biggie (QR, EK, LH, AF?)

Yes, unlike the AY order, there's no new orders gained if TAP sticks with 12. The 3 options would be new.
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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:05 pm

I don't find the plan ambitious at all. If anything it's too defensive, and here's why: By the end of this year TP's widebody fleet will total 15 A330/340 aircraft. But they have only 15 A350's on order. That makes no sense at all. That means they expect to have the same widebody fleet size 10 years down the road, as they have now. That's ridiculous. With increased pressure from LCCs, international medium/long haul is where the money is. They should have at least 15 firm + 5 options for the A350. Lets hope that's what they decide when they finally make it formal later in the year.
 
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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
Does anyone know how many A350 old version that they have on order?



Quoting Manni (Reply 2):
12. 8 A358s and 4 A359s.

Actually Tap Portugal has 10 A350 (original) 6x A358 + 4 A359 on firm order. They were rumoured to have converted two of it's five A350 options into firm although this was never confirmed.

If Tap does indeed convert it's A350 order into the A350XWB, then Airbus would be booking two additional orders.

It's interesting to note that Finnair also exercised two of it's A350 options.

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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:13 pm

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 5):
I don't find the plan ambitious at all. If anything it's too defensive, and here's why: By the end of this year TP's widebody fleet will total 15 A330/340 aircraft. But they have only 15 A350's on order. That makes no sense at all. That means they expect to have the same widebody fleet size 10 years down the road, as they have now. That's ridiculous. With increased pressure from LCCs, international medium/long haul is where the money is. They should have at least 15 firm + 5 options for the A350. Lets hope that's what they decide when they finally make it formal later in the year.

It may also be that Tap will opt for an A330/A350 fleet. Tap also has plenty of time to place additional order in the future especially as they will only be taking their A350XWB in 2015.

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
Yes, unlike the AY order, there's no new orders gained if TAP sticks with 12. The 3 options would be new.

Like I mentioned before it's actually two new orders that Airbus will gain for the A350XWB.
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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:23 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 6):
Actually Tap Portugal has 10 A350 (original) 6x A358 + 4 A359 on firm order. They were rumoured to have converted two of it's five A350 options into firm although this was never confirmed.



Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
Like I mentioned before it's actually two new orders that Airbus will gain for the A350XWB.

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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
It may also be that Tap will opt for an A330/A350 fleet. Tap also has plenty of time to place additional order in the future especially as they will only be taking their A350XWB in 2015.

I'm sure as their A332 will be really new by 2015 (with almost 7 years of service), probably TP will keep some of them if they need to grow.

Wings do you have any new info on the new services and/or increases to Brazil ?

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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):

I'm sure as their A332 will be really new by 2015 (with almost 7 years of service), probably TP will keep some of them if they need to grow.

Exactly LipeGIG. Considering the excellent maintenance practices that Tap Portugal have, I would expect those A332's to be retained up to 2020. (with some of them only 13 years old.) which is about the same age as Tap's A343's

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):

Wings do you have any new info on the new services and/or increases to Brazil ?

Hi Filipe, well nothing more then rumours. Maybe you will find the following quotes interesting.

16. Telemóveis a bordo no final de 2007
Já no final deste ano, os clientes da TAP poderão utilizar o telemóvel durante o voo. As comunicações serão controladas por uma antena no avião, um projecto internacional que ainda está a ser desenvolvido. As cadeiras da classe executiva também serão renovadas.


http://diarioeconomico.sapo.pt/edici...destaque/pt/desarrollo/749115.html

The use of Mobil phone onboard towards the end of 2007. It also mentions that new business seats will be introduced to it's fleet. I would expect that after the factory new A332's are delivered the remaining A332/A340 will also be upgraded.

Click on the link and it gives you an insight into Tap's plans for the future.

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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 10):
Já no final deste ano, os clientes da TAP poderão utilizar o telemóvel durante o voo.

Oh please please, no!!! Don't let it happen!!! Yes I know they were working on this and that one day or other this will be come inevitable and certain as death, but let me enjoy my silence... Mobile phones are a PLAGUE.
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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:23 am

Love the new TAP colours and think the XWB will look brilliant adorned in it!

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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:56 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 11):
Oh please please, no!!! Don't let it happen!!! Yes I know they were working on this and that one day or other this will be come inevitable and certain as death, but let me enjoy my silence... Mobile phones are a PLAGUE.

Unfortunately, Europeans are absolutely adicted to their cell phones, so this doesn't surprise me one bit.
 
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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:18 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Pinto expects to sign a formal contract later this year with Airbus for 12 firm A350 XWBs, plus three options “which in principal will be firmed pretty quickly”.

The quickness probably depends on how much more TAP is willing to pay for the XWB over the A350 they originally bought. Airbus is lucky to have customers like TAP of AY that are sticking to the A350 despite all the issues with the plane.
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RE: TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350

Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:48 pm

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 13):
Unfortunately, Europeans are absolutely adicted to their cell phones, so this doesn't surprise me one bit.

This one isn't. I carry one because I need it but IMO one of the best things about flying is I can turn the damn thing off.

Allowing Natels in flight is one thing that would make me think twice about booking on an airline, I don't think I'd be alone.

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