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Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:34 pm

What would be the fastest travel time between New York and London (now Concorde has ceased flying), if say I was Prime Minister and had to travel back for a national emergency, I'd travel alone, without the entourage and comfort would not be an issue.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:48 pm

Im guessing 6-7 hours.

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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:49 pm

From what I understand he IS the national emergency! Big grin

With flights running like commuter trains on that city pair, taking usually less than 7 hours, he is save to take the next one out. A PM does not necessarly has to go through all that security BS, a helicopter takes hom direct from the city to the BA terminal, if no F seat available, a passenger gets bumped, and the limo waits at LHR. If that's not comfort I don'tknow what comfort is.
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:50 pm

I suppose a military aircraft flying Mach 2+ with lots of in air refuelings.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:31 pm

Fastest way of civil transportation would be to charter a Citation X, fastest civilian jet that is still in production. Just around 4hrs flight time.

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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting Laddb (Reply 3):
I suppose a military aircraft flying Mach 2+ with lots of in air refuelings.

Or one twin-seat SR-71. One hop, and boy, is it fast.  Wink
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:00 am

It seems that the cessna citation X is capable of doing NY-LHR but only with a limited capacity of passengers. Nevertheless I think with favorable winds, it could be made in 5 hours.
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:24 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
Or one twin-seat SR-71. One hop, and boy, is it fast.

Those are not flying anymore, are they? The OP means today I think.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):
if no F seat available, a passenger gets bumped,

When you mean bumped, you mean bumped down surely? If the Prime Minister wanted to fly First Class at the last minute but they were all booked up, surely one of the First Class passengers would have to be put down to Business Class and be given a refund?
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:55 am

Fastest way between LHR and NYC by commercial aviation is by any carrier who is using a B-747, the old lady is still the fastest commercial a/c around if the ATC dweeds don't hold her down.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8):
When you mean bumped, you mean bumped down surely?

While this is likely what the airline in question would do - this would be more expensive than bumping him. Under the EC's Regulation involuntary down-grade requires a refund of 75% of the fare, while bumping would be a max of eur600.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 10):
While this is likely what the airline in question would do - this would be more expensive than bumping him. Under the EC's Regulation involuntary down-grade requires a refund of 75% of the fare, while bumping would be a max of eur600.

But you can't get bumped up any further than First Class!! If First Class is full, and then suddenly the Prime Minister needed to rush back to London from New York in a First Class seat, where would one of the First Class passengers get bumped up to? The cockpit??? Lol.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:19 am

Just flew VS 744 from EWR-LHR in about 6 hours, we had favorable winds during the flight
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8):

When you mean bumped, you mean bumped down surely? If the Prime Minister wanted to fly First Class at the last minute but they were all booked up, surely one of the First Class passengers would have to be put down to Business Class and be given a refund?

Volunteers might offer their seats, depending what kind of national emergency is going on.

Yes, I did not explain in detail what I meant and I really see no reason why I should have. The question was, how quick the PM could return from NY to London. I am Executive Club Gold and have travelled BA First, I know the staff is very polite and would, in that case, ask for volunteers, giving the reason and all the excuses.
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 11):
But you can't get bumped up any further than First Class!! If First Class is full, and then suddenly the Prime Minister needed to rush back to London from New York in a First Class seat, where would one of the First Class passengers get bumped up to? The cockpit??? Lol.

Bumped off, as in 'involuntary denied-boarding', as opposed to 'bumped-up' (invol upgrade) or 'bumped down' (invol downgrade).

If Tony Blair needs a seat in BA First and the flight is full, then I guess the F passenger gets bumped down to Club World. Club gets bumped to World Traveller Plus, WTP gets bumped to World Traveller, WT gets denied boarding.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 14):
Bumped off, as in 'involuntary denied-boarding', as opposed to 'bumped-up' (invol upgrade) or 'bumped down' (invol downgrade).

Oh ok I understand. Sorry PanHAM just said 'bumped', so I assumed bumped up. Thanks for explanation.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:26 am

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 14):
then I guess the F passenger gets bumped down to Club World. Club gets bumped to World Traveller Plus, WTP gets bumped to World Traveller, WT gets denied boarding.

In accordance with the regulation that would cost BA 75% of the F fare (GBP6000?), 75% of the J fare (GBP3500?), 75% of W (GBP1800) plus eur600 for bumping the Y pax. Cheaper to offload the F pax at eur600, but less customer friendly. Hopefully they would find a volunteer to avoid all the hassle.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 11):
But you can't get bumped up any further than First Class

Some of us will debate that. Even the worst most cramped seat in the cockpit would be a bump up from first for some of us here.  Big grin
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:36 am

Fastest would be a F22 with SuperCruise (it can cruise at supersonic speeds w/o afterburner). An F-15 could do it supersonically too, but with more air-to-air refuelings.

Then next fastest would be VIP 747 with maximum throttle push and waving of 250kt speed limits.

Citation X could be faster, but AF1 or AF2 could be ready to go in the time it took to get to it - time wasted while looking for a Citation X. Other VIP A/C (What can a GV do?) would be close.

Otherwise just go to JFK and get on the next commercial flight.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:55 am

Silverjet Newark - London Luton is 6hr 40min

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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:01 am

I flew Virgin Atlantic JFK-LHR in February 1997 on a 747-200 and made it in 5H15M.
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:13 am

With any load at all the Citation X would have to make a stop in someplace like Gander. But sometimes a quick stop and .92 is still faster than pulling the sticks back to .77 for a non-stop like in the GIV.
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:05 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
Or one twin-seat SR-71. One hop, and boy, is it fast.

The SR-71 holds the speed record between New York and London, 1 hour 54 minutes 56 seconds. It also holds the record for London to Los Angeles, 3 hours 47 minutes 39 seconds. It will be many years before either of those records are broken. Additionally, all SR-71's have two seats.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:40 pm

hmm, if a government forces an airline to bump a pax, shouldn't that government pay for it? why put BA or any other airline in this position? A refunded ticket to pax is still less expensive than a chartered jet.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:37 pm

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 12):
Just flew VS 744 from EWR-LHR in about 6 hours, we had favorable winds during the flight

That's not the fastest I've seen.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 20):
I flew Virgin Atlantic JFK-LHR in February 1997 on a 747-200 and made it in 5H15M.

I recently flew KLM (772) JFK-AMS in just under 6 hours, so 5:15 doesn't seem so odd for this route. JFK-LHR is a bit shorter IIRC.
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:15 pm

Quoting Nrcnyc (Reply 23):
hmm, if a government forces an airline to bump a pax, shouldn't that government pay for it? why put BA or any other airline in this position? A refunded ticket to pax is still less expensive than a chartered jet

The question was - "what if in the case of a national emergency" and how quick the PM could get back home.

In that case, we are discussing less important things like passenger compensation. Any kind of thinkable national emergency has a far greater impact on people and may create a lot more problems than the refund of a first class ticket.

The logical and workable solution would be to get him on the next BA plane, whatever that takes, skip security, get the best and fastest possible routing, no holding pattern at LHR and whisk him off the airport straight after arrival. The destination may not even be LHR but some air force base or wherever the UK has its special location for such cases, in which case possibly no other passengers than the PM and his aides would be on board.



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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:20 pm

Considering I was on a TW L1011 in 1980 that did it with 200 mph tail winds at 5 hours I'm sure, with favorable winds under 5 is possible today.
 
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:24 pm

Anybody got a picture of an SR-71? Can't find it in the database.
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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:15 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 27):
Anybody got a picture of an SR-71? Can't find it in the database.

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RE: Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London

Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:22 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 28):

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