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738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:37 pm

I was just looking on FlightAware, and noticed that both tonight (3/14 here in US) and tomorrow's LX 19 EWR-ZRH is being operated by a PrivatAir 738. Is this usual? Has anyone taken this flight? And does anyone know any details of this, such as how the aircraft is configured, and if anyone else operates 738s transatlantic?

[Edited 2007-03-15 05:38:13]

[Edited 2007-03-15 05:38:46]
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:49 pm

The PrivatAir aircraft is a BBJ2, not a standard issue 738......PrivatAir aircraft operated in a J class configuration.

As for other airlines using the 738 transatlantic, there are range issues....while very short transatlantic operations (such as flights from Halifax or St Johns to Shannon or Dublin) are possible, for practical purposes, the 738 does not have enough range to operate these services, especially when winter winds, ATC issues and alternates are takein into account.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:50 pm

Just a BBJ2, nothing all that abnormal about that.
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:50 pm

The Aircraft is most likely the BBJ, however being listed as a 738 is kind of confusing. Most of the time, privatair flies their 737's and A319 Business Jet configuration from Cities such as Newark and Houston to Zurich and Amsterdam. No major carrier uses 737's as i recall, because loads demand a higher aircraft and most important of all even the 737-700, the one with the most range among the NG 737's would not be able to make the westbound trip. However, the 737's and A319 are different aircraft than those operated by the most airlines as these are equipped with extra fuel tanks and numerous other improvments. All seats are configured in a business configuration and usually have about 50 seats. Hope this helps.
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:56 pm

OK, that explains it. Flightaware and SWISS both listed it as 738, and I was wondering how the heck a 738 could make that distance. BBJ makes sense, but don't you think it would be wise for SWISS to make it clear on their site it's a BBJ? Premium service is nice, and a 738 transatl would be...not so nice.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:33 pm

Not too jump too far off subject but I would not be surprised to see CO operating the 739ER from EWR to DUB/SNN in the not too distant future.
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:34 pm

Quoting IADCA (Reply 4):
BBJ makes sense, but don't you think it would be wise for SWISS to make it clear on their site it's a BBJ? Premium service is nice, and a 738 transatl would be...not so nice.

I doubt the average passenger would know that 738 means Boeing 737-800, and if they did, I doubt they can tell the difference between a 738 and, say, a 772 (two wing-mounted engines, no t-tail, long fuselage). Something that would probably help clear up any confusion is the fact that the only class that can be booked on these flights is Business Class.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:13 pm

There are 3 B737s operating for European Airlines across the Atlantic, provided by PrivatAir.

HB-IIQ is a B737-700 BBJ operated for Lufthansa - see http://www.bazl.admin.ch/fachleute/l...igentuemer=&name=#lfr_suchergebnis

HB-IIR is a B737-800 BBJ operated for Swissair - see http://www.bazl.admin.ch/fachleute/l...igentuemer=&name=#lfr_suchergebnis

HB-JJA is a B737 -700 BBJ operated for KLM - see http://www.bazl.admin.ch/fachleute/l...igentuemer=&name=#lfr_suchergebnis

All are in Business Class only configuration, all have extra fuel capacity, all operate daily, Swissair to EWR, Lufthansa to Newark and KLM to Houston. All operate non stop.

In addition, Miami Air operate B737-800s from/to various points in the US to/from Iraq on trooping flights with a first/last stop at Shannon. This last winter, FlyGlobespan have flown B737-800s to the US and canada on flights from Manchester with a stop in Iceland.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:18 pm

Icelandair has also operated the 737 on North Atlantic flights to Halifax and Florida. These were actually 737-400s, but those flights are now operated by the 757.

Continental explored flying the 737-NG on flights from Newark to Shannon and Dublin, but they decided not to do it.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:35 pm

Also, (almost on topic) AC operates a 319 from YYT to LHR.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting Mats (Reply 8):
Icelandair has also operated the 737 on North Atlantic flights to Halifax and Florida. These were actually 737-400s, but those flights are now operated by the 757.

Icelandair sent 734s into Halifax, not Florida.

Quoting Mats (Reply 8):
Continental explored flying the 737-NG on flights from Newark to Shannon and Dublin, but they decided not to do it.

It was a very very quick study.......CO did quickly look at using 73Gs during the winter season on the EWR-SNN route, it was determined that aside from operational challenges, there would be financial issues since a BF product could not be offered and cargo haul would be minimal.

The 737NG is a great airplane, but its not a transatlantic airplane.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 6):
I doubt the average passenger would know that 738 means Boeing 737-800, and if they did, I doubt they can tell the difference between a 738 and, say, a 772 (two wing-mounted engines, no t-tail, long fuselage). Something that would probably help clear up any confusion is the fact that the only class that can be booked on these flights is Business Class.

Well, the SWISS website actually lists it as 737-800, so it's a bit less unclear than a.net shorthand. Also, I'd bet more business class passengers fly frequently and therefore are a bit more attuned to the differences between a 737 (one aisle, cramped interior for a long flight) and a 777 (twin aisle).

[Edited 2007-03-15 15:33:22]
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:41 pm

Travel Service - Czech charter a/l has flights to Jamaica/DomRep/Cuba via Azores and Nassau with 738 (a few years ago they were flying via KEF and YHZ). They also fly to Fortaleza via Canary Islands.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:55 pm

737-800 long haul in economy. uggggggggh, Let me out!
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting Mats (Reply 8):

Continental explored flying the 737-NG on flights from Newark to Shannon and Dublin, but they decided not to do it

And the reasons were...

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
CO did quickly look at using 73Gs during the winter season on the EWR-SNN route, it was determined that aside from operational challenges, there would be financial issues since a BF product could not be offered and cargo haul would be minimal.

I can't see SNN having a big BF seats demand in low season (Oct-Mar), moreover they do fly B737-700 to Latinamerica with the same BF configuration and the flying time is about the same as a SNN-EWR, so why a flight to/fr Eire as long as a B737-700 flight to/fr Latinamerica can't use the same configuration?.
IMHO, for CO it would be more convenient to fly a B737-700 to SNN (or even BFS) wintertime and free a B757 to use on another route with more demand.
About the B737-700 in DUB, maybe as a 2nd or 3rd EWR extra daily summertime, same would apply to BFS, EDI and GLA.
I would like to see CO fly EWR-ABZ with B737-700 yeararound but I'm sure the B737-700 BF cabin won't be enough for that route no matter when.
A EWR-NCL may be pushing the B737-700 range to much on the westbound flights, but it might work even yeararond.
Another interesting transatlantic B737-700 routes for CO may be ORK on Ireland and SCQ in northwest Spain, but again, it may encounter some operational difficulties westbound wintertime.
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting IADCA (Reply 11):
Well, the SWISS website actually lists it as 737-800, so it's a bit less unclear than a.net shorthand. Also, I'd bet more business class passengers fly frequently and therefore are a bit more attuned to the differences between a 737 (one aisle, cramped interior for a long flight) and a 777 (twin aisle).

Swiss list it as a B737-800 because it is. The flight is very popular with business class passengers as the aircraft is fitted with 56 seats in a 2 x 2 configuration with 60 inches of legroom and every seat becomes a lie flat bed.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 14):

I can't see SNN having a big BF seats demand in low season (Oct-Mar), moreover they do fly B737-700 to Latinamerica with the same BF configuration and the flying time is about the same as a SNN-EWR, so why a flight to/fr Eire as long as a B737-700 flight to/fr Latinamerica can't use the same configuration?.
IMHO, for CO it would be more convenient to fly a B737-700 to SNN (or even BFS) wintertime and free a B757 to use on another route with more demand.
About the B737-700 in DUB, maybe as a 2nd or 3rd EWR extra daily summertime, same would apply to BFS, EDI and GLA.
I would like to see CO fly EWR-ABZ with B737-700 yeararound but I'm sure the B737-700 BF cabin won't be enough for that route no matter when.
A EWR-NCL may be pushing the B737-700 range to much on the westbound flights, but it might work even yeararond.
Another interesting transatlantic B737-700 routes for CO may be ORK on Ireland and SCQ in northwest Spain, but again, it may encounter some operational difficulties westbound wintertime.

Firstly, COPA has been unique (and successful) in using the 737NG on some very long haul routes, its an interesting operation.....but CO sees it a bit differently.

1. Remember that COPA's north-south operation is a bit easier than east-west transatlantic operations.....ETOPS is not an issue, and the winds are not severe, etc/..

2. While the 73G does show up on some thin CO Latin American routes, those routes are of shorter duration than the EWR-Ireland services that you mention. ALso, there is the BF issue.....CO uses domestic First on most Latin American flights (dont ask me why, I dont agree with this position....BF should be the standard premium product to all of South America...not just Bazil) while BF is offered on all European services. BF demand is reasonable on the Irish and UK routes that you propose with the 73G and CO simply does not want to vary its product. To install BF on a small 73G subfleet makes little sense as the airplane is too small, and even an 8 seat BF cabin would take up way too much cabin room and not leave adequate Y seats.

3. The routes that you mention all support 752 operations (SNN,DUB, etc)....and CO rather go with 5X weekly 752 ops than a daily 73G in those markets where winter demand is light. Newcastle, which you mention, can certainly support daily 752 into EWR, the flight has not materialized since NCL airport refuses to give CO the deal that it is looking for to help launch service....thus, BFS, EDI, BRS have added service while NCL is still only a discussion. ABZ is a niche market that is probably better suited for a Privatair BBJ type operation.

4. CO has decided that the 752 is the smallest airplane that will go across the Atlantic: I know that CO studied the numbers utilizing the 73G on transatlantic flights and CO determined that it did not work out. Unattractive finances + potential operational issues resulted in CO determining that 737NG accross the Atlantic do not make sense for their biz plan.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:12 am

flyGlobespan:

738 has flown/will fly these routes:

GLA-SFB
GLA-YHM
GLA-BOS

The way things are going, it may also be doing MAN-YHM. NOC-BOS is also a 738 but the flight starts in GLA.

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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
Remember that COPA's north-south operation is a bit easier than east-west transatlantic operations.....ETOPS is not an issue, and the winds are not severe, etc/..

True, the only - kind of - east-west B737-700 CM flight is PTY-LAX, which is (going to be ) standard on B737-800.

With Air ;Madrid going under sometime ago, I would guess someone @ CM headquarters had studied a possible B737-700 PTY-BDA-MAD or eventually PTY-MAD non-stop with B737-700ER (double-daily on a 28C/52Y configuration?!), none of which would be that attractive for CM or its passengers.
Bear in mind MVD-PTY-LAX flying time is more than a PTY-BDA-MAD.
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 15):
Swiss list it as a B737-800 because it is.

I wasn't disputing that it's a 737-800 in all-business configuration. I was clarifying my remark that the website listed it as a "738" which most people wouldn't understand (as it's shorthand), and stating that it actually called it "737-800" and that therefore fewer people would be confused...it was nothing about the way the plane was set up!
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:35 am

The CO flight ex SNN in the winter does quite nicely. It is the first from SNN to the US each day and, arriving at EWR at around 12.15 allows half a day extra in NYC or gives a far better set of connections than the rest of the flights to NYC from SNN. CO rightly worked out that a 737 would be both an unwarranted downg

Quoting IADCA (Reply 19):

Sorry, I cobbled together your replies # 4 and 11
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:04 am

Some weeks ago, the Ecuadorian Government chartered a Conviasa B737-300 to take back home some Air Madrid passengers stranded in GYE.

IIRC, routing was GYE-CCS-SID-MAD.

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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:37 am

I'm pretty certain that Icelandair did fly to Florida with the 737-400. These were summer-only flights. I'm sorry I don't remember which cities. This was maybe in the late 90's. I don't know where I can find historical FI schedules.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting Mats (Reply 22):
I'm pretty certain that Icelandair did fly to Florida with the 737-400. These were summer-only flights. I'm sorry I don't remember which cities. This was maybe in the late 90's. I don't know where I can find historical FI schedules.

Would the 734 have the range to fly KEF-Florida nonstop? That would be a huge strech for the 734......Icelandair's flights to MCO operate with a 752.....I dont think that FI has served any other Florida cities.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 23):
Would the 734 have the range to fly KEF-Florida nonstop? That would be a huge strech for the 734......Icelandair's flights to MCO operate with a 752

FI switched to SFB didn't they?

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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:50 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 24):
FI switched to SFB didn't they?

Very possible, I am not sure.....FI flies to Orlando and I automatically wrote MCO.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 25):

Now thats what I call a quick reply  Smile

Yeh i just checked their website. SFB it is. Although I think they just switched in the last few months.

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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:21 am

What about a Boeing 737-600 crossing the Atlantic, and then venturing over a bit of the Pacific!

Would love to know more about this movement.


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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:27 am

I always wondered why LX doesn't operate the private air on SAT EWR-ZRH. However, they do it on WED. What's the point of doing it on a WED and not on a SAT?
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 9):
Also, (almost on topic) AC operates a 319 from YYT to LHR.

The AC service starts April 1.

In addition to the AC A319 YYT-LHR, LGW-based UK carrier Astraeus also starts 3/week service LGW-YYT-LGW in May using a standard 737-700 in all-economy 129 seat configuration. They have operated the 737-700 in the past on charters beween LGW and both YYT and YDF (Deer Lake, Newfoundland).
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/gatwick-airport-news-220207.htm
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 28):
I always wondered why LX doesn't operate the private air on SAT EWR-ZRH. However, they do it on WED. What's the point of doing it on a WED and not on a SAT?

Most of the pax on the EWR-ZRH flight are biz passengers.....who would rather be home and with their families on the weekend. Thus, I assume, demand for the Saturday service was rather low and the flight does not operate on Saturday.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:37 am

Quoting RayPettit (Reply 27):
What about a Boeing 737-600 crossing the Atlantic, and then venturing over a bit of the Pacific!

Would love to know more about this movement.

This movement was mentioned in a thread 1-2 years ago, IIRC it was a military charter but i cant recall the exact details
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
True, the only - kind of - east-west B737-700 CM flight is PTY-LAX, which is (going to be ) standard on B737-800.

What about PTY-MVD and PTY-EZE? Those routes tend to require tech stops sometimes, even though from what I remember, the number of tech stops went down after the 737s were retrofitted with winglets. Plus, neither are straight North-South routes, but rather Northwest-Southeast routes.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:06 am

I usually see the BBJs in line with us in the evening "Taxiway Conga Line" so common in the 8 oclock hour at EWR. Anyone know what their load factors are? I wonder how theyve been doing on their routes.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:32 am

I have seen the Privatair plane is Detroit, flying I think for Lufthansa. Where would it logically re-fuel?
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 34):
I have seen the Privatair plane is Detroit, flying I think for Lufthansa. Where would it logically re-fuel?

Could have been the KLM flight, AMS-IAH......could have stopped in Detroit for fuel or other issues.....Detroit would be logical due to the big KL/NW operation there. Just a guess.
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 30):
Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 28):
I always wondered why LX doesn't operate the private air on SAT EWR-ZRH. However, they do it on WED. What's the point of doing it on a WED and not on a SAT?

Most of the pax on the EWR-ZRH flight are biz passengers.....who would rather be home and with their families on the weekend. Thus, I assume, demand for the Saturday service was rather low and the flight does not operate on Saturday.

There's plenty of business traffic on week days including Wednesday. Saturday is almost always the slowest day for business traffic. If you fly much within Europe, business class cabins are often virtually empty on Saturday, which is why almost all carriers now use a flexible cabin divider with Y class seats and many leave the middle seat unsold when used as business class. That lets them often use almost the entire cabin for Y class especially on slow business travel days like Saturday, which by contrast is usually one of the busiest days for leisure traffic. There will often only be a couple of rows allocated to the business cabin on weekend flights, while on a weekday, they may need 40 or 50 seats in front of the curtain to meet business class demand.
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:44 pm

Back in the 1980's I recall seeing a Sterling 727 at YYZ. I don't know if it came direct from Denmark or if it stopped anywhere along the way, such as Greenland or Iceland. If any body could give more information I would appreciate it on these flights.  biggrin 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:59 pm

Doesn't TZ fly B-737-800s from SFO or LAX to HNL? The B-737-700 has about the best range of all models, and according to Boeing all B-737NGs have transatlantic range.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_rc_newyork.html

The B-737-600 has a range of 3050nm.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_600tech.html

The B-737-700 has a range of 3365nm.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_700tech.html

The B-737-800 has a range of 3060nm.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_800tech.html

The B-737-900ER has a range of 3200nm, with aux. fuel tanks.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_900ERtech.html

The B-737-700C has a range of 3205nm in a pax configueration.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_700ctech.html

The B-737-700ER has a range of 5510nm, with aux. fuel tanks.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/737-700ER/tech.html

According to great circle mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ the distance from JFK to LHR is 2999nm. BOS-LHR is 2837nm.

I guess I should mention the above ranges for the B-737NGs (except the B-737-700ER) are for non-winglet equipped aircraft. Fot those with winglets, you can add an additional 5% to the range.

[Edited 2007-03-16 07:09:41]
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:09 pm

The 737 which flies for on Swiss ops to/from EWR has been logged on SBS-1 over Ireland, westbound, on some Saturdays in 2006. As the flight often doesn't show a call sign it isn't possible to say if these were flights for other clients. Was this previously a daily flight, or were these westbounds delays or flights for someone else?
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:11 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 9):
Also, (almost on topic) AC operates a 319 from YYT to LHR.

Has that started yet? I'd love to see a photo of an AC 319 in LHR.
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:47 pm

I flew a 738 last summer from SFJ to CPH in full economy. Not a pleasant flight I should say.  Sad
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting AbleToFly (Reply 41):
Not a pleasant flight I should say.

Why?
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 42):
Quoting AbleToFly (Reply 41):
Not a pleasant flight I should say.

Why?

Full economy, 189 PAX, 4½ hrs. Was'nt really pleasant. But the airline was maybe the one to blame. None of the F/A spoke danish nor greenlandic, and the service was very poor. These things was a real problem for natives in particular.
The fact that we was sitting inside the aircraft for 7 hrs is an other factor that made an impression of a bad flight though..

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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 32):
What about PTY-MVD and PTY-EZE? Those routes tend to require tech stops sometimes, even though from what I remember, the number of tech stops went down after the 737s were retrofitted with winglets. Plus, neither are straight North-South routes, but rather Northwest-Southeast routes.

LTU, where have Copa's tech stoops been enroute to MVD and EZE from PTY and vice versa? Sao Paulo, Manaus, Bogota?
 
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:22 pm

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 44):
LTU, where have Copa's tech stoops been enroute to MVD and EZE from PTY and vice versa? Sao Paulo, Manaus, Bogota?

Enroute to PTY, almost all the time, CLO has been the tech stop.
I don't work for COPA Airlines!
 
matt
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
In addition to the AC A319 YYT-LHR, LGW-based UK carrier Astraeus also starts 3/week service LGW-YYT-LGW in May using a standard 737-700 in all-economy 129 seat configuration. They have operated the 737-700 in the past on charters beween LGW and both YYT and YDF (Deer Lake, Newfoundland).

In fact, Astraeus is actually currently operating 2/week LGW-YDF-YYT-LGW service with the 737-700.
Next flights: YQM-YOW-YOW / YQM-YYZ-CPH-YYZ-YQM / YQM-YUL-LYS-BRU-YUL-YQM / YQM-PUJ-YQM
 
ARGinLON
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 30):
Most of the pax on the EWR-ZRH flight are biz passengers.....who would rather be home and with their families on the weekend. Thus, I assume, demand for the Saturday service was rather low and the flight does not operate on Saturday



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 36):
There's plenty of business traffic on week days including Wednesday. Saturday is almost always the slowest day for business traffic. If you fly much within Europe, business class cabins are often virtually empty on Saturday, which is why almost all carriers now use a flexible cabin divider with Y class seats and many leave the middle seat unsold when used as business class. That lets them often use almost the entire cabin for Y class especially on slow business travel days like Saturday, which by contrast is usually one of the busiest days for leisure traffic. There will often only be a couple of rows allocated to the business cabin on weekend flights, while on a weekday, they may need 40 or 50 seats in front of the curtain to meet business class demand.

My point was in terms of transatlantic service

For US Business originating passengers the strongest days are: SA and SU from US to Europe ( to be at work in Europe on Monday) and FR and SA from Europe to US (to stay as much as possible during the working week).

In my current job (as it was in my previous ones) the pattern above was always the trend.
 
dutchjet
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 47):

My point was in terms of transatlantic service

For US Business originating passengers the strongest days are: SA and SU from US to Europe ( to be at work in Europe on Monday) and FR and SA from Europe to US (to stay as much as possible during the working week).

In my current job (as it was in my previous ones) the pattern above was always the trend.

Interesting but not typical.....Saturday is generally a rather light day for biz traffic between Europe and US and return....because, as stated, most business passengers are at home over the weekend. Friday and Sunday night from US to Europe, and Monday and Friday from Europe to the US generally are the highest demand days for business class seats on transatlantic routes. Tuesdays and Saturdays are the low demand days.
 
ARGinLON
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RE: 738 Transatlantic?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 48):
Interesting but not typical.....Saturday is generally a rather light day for biz traffic between Europe and US and return....because, as stated, most business passengers are at home over the weekend. Friday and Sunday night from US to Europe, and Monday and Friday from Europe to the US generally are the highest demand days for business class seats on transatlantic routes. Tuesdays and Saturdays are the low demand days.

For European carries it may be the case but for US carriers (whose passengers tend to be US originating) SA and SU are rather strong.
Certainly Saturday (US to Europe) is stronger than a Wednesday. That;s why it surprises me that LX operates on a WE but not on a SA.

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