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Allegiant Air Announces GSO Service To Florida

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:09 pm

I guess GSO has finally gotten some LCC service that they had been awaiting. After being overlooked by JetBlue and losing Independence Air I know that a lot of people were hoping to get some low fares into PTI. They announced service to Orlando and Tampa. Introductory fares starting at $49 with service 3x a week starting May 24th. At least it is a start, we will see how long it lasts. The e-mail is below.

NEW LOW FARE SERVICE TO FLORIDA!


New Low Fare Service from PTI to Orlando and Tampa Bay Fares from Just $49*

Low-cost airline Allegiant Air announced today new non-stop service to Orlando and the Tampa Bay area from PTI beginning May 24, 2007. The new flights will operate three days weekly, with service on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays.

For its Orlando service, flights will depart Piedmont Triad Airport (PTI) at 4:00 p.m. and arrive in Orlando Sanford International Airport at 5:35 p.m. Flights leaving Orlando will depart at 6:10 p.m. and arrive in PTI at 7:45 p.m. For its Tampa Bay service, flights will depart PTI at 8:20 p.m. and arrive into St. Petersburg-Clearwater International Airport at 10:00 p.m. Flights leaving St. Petersburg-Clearwater International Airport will depart at 1:45 p.m. and arrive in PTI at 3:25 p.m.

For a limited time, Allegiant is offering a one-way introductory fare of $49 on select flights from PTI to Orlando and Tampa Bay . Tickets must be purchased by April 7, 2007, for travel through Nov. 17, 2007. After the introductory fare period, regular one-way fares on the route start as low as $69 one-way. To make a reservation, visit Allegiant's Web site at www.allegiantair.com .
 
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:38 pm

yeah! taht's good.. perhaps they will add LAS soon too!

GSO has been thoroughly overlooked and I am not sure why, but this is very good news.. hopefully they will start seeing some more upgraded service too!
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:42 pm

Good news indeed - I might have to check them out for TPA service.

Anyone know which terminal/gate? There are a few vacant jetways on the South side (the 2 former Delta gates); I believe all jetways are being used on the South side, and it's unlikely they'd get a new jetway just for Allegiant. They could also quite easily use one of DL's or US's current gates and let them handle the ground side.
 
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
yeah! taht's good.. perhaps they will add LAS soon too!

GSO has been thoroughly overlooked and I am not sure why, but this is very good news.. hopefully they will start seeing some more upgraded service too!

If G4 starts GSO-LAS, who gets to sit on the ferry tanks? Also, would those seats cost less  Silly


Odd that you of all people dont know why GSO gets overlooked  Smile
 
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:50 pm

G4 can make GSO-LAS no problem.. it makes RDU-LAS no problem.. I think..

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 3):
Odd that you of all people dont know why GSO gets overlooked

I do and I don't.. as always, the "down the road" factor comes up (but yet, not the "up the road" factor as much.. odd).. but GSO has decent traffic of it's own. I could see some of the airlines upgrading to E70/E90/737.. but it's just odd that they only get 4 mainline aircraft a day.. and NONE from US!! Oh well..
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 4):
G4 can make GSO-LAS no problem.. it makes RDU-LAS no problem.. I think..

No, I'm pretty sure they cant. I heard TOL was pushing it for them on the westbound leg.
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 5):
No, I'm pretty sure they cant.

G4 used to do some charters ILM-RDU-LAS.. not sure if they had a fuel stop or not, but I know they used to do it..
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:14 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
G4 used to do some charters ILM-RDU-LAS.. not sure if they had a fuel stop or not, but I know they used to do it..

Fuel-stop. Unless they lucked out on some freakishly low headwinds, they stopped.

Their Md-87's have a better chance of pulling it off than the md 83s, but I still dont think its do-able on a regular basis.

They do a CRW-RNO charter once a year that always stops somehere.
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:20 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
G4 used to do some charters ILM-RDU-LAS.. not sure if they had a fuel stop or not, but I know they used to do it..

yea i used to work these flights in ILM. Damn i wish we could get ILM-SFB. I lived in Sanford while i was at Embry-riddle. I want to go visit soon.
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 5):

It's not that they couldn't fly TOL-LAS, it's they couldn't do it profitably. With the aux tanks on some MD83s, they could easily fly GSO-LAS, but could they do it at a profit?
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:17 am

Well, looking at the charter schedule coming up for the Reno Charters, I see nonstop service coming up from IAD, ALB, ISP, ERI, EWR, MDT, ORF, CLT and LBE.

As for the IFP charters, I see westbound nonstops PNS, TPA, CLE, FLL/AUS (joint flight), PIT, PBI, ABE, SFB, and there were March charters for EWR, CLT, LAN, SWF, BUF, CMH, ATL, ILM/RDU (joing flight), RIC and BWI.

I'm guessing they are still using their MD-87 a/c for the charters, right? The MD-87 was chosen for the charter ops, I think moreso to accomodate the Laughlin flights for its greater range capability, right?
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:22 am

If I were a betting man or a psychic.. I could really see Allegiant offering a 2x weekly LAS flight from GSO.. and eventually making SFB and PIE at least 5x weekly... the pax are there.. and the prices are finally right.. lets hope GSO utilizes it and it doesn't get away (a la FL)
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:26 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Good news indeed - I might have to check them out for TPA service.

I flew it two weeks ago and LOVED it.

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Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Good news indeed - I might have to check them out for TPA service.

Ummmm....that would be PIE service.
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:57 am

On the charters someone else is paying the bills which makes a difference on the longer flights. For example fuel cost, weight/loads, etc do not need to be part of the profit equation for Allegiant.
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RE: Allegiant Air Announces GSO Service To Florida

Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
lets hope GSO utilizes it and it doesn't get away (a la FL)

As far as I remember it was more like they were run out of town on a rail by the GSO Airport Authority. I cant remember why exactly, but FL did something to piss everyone off at GSO enough to kick them out.
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting PiedmontINT (Reply 15):
but FL did something to piss everyone off at GSO enough to kick them out.

No?!?!??! I thought ridership was low.. what did they do? Oh my God.. issues..
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RE: Allegiant Air Announces GSO Service To Florida

Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:18 am

I would expect them to share a gate and maybe contract out the ground work. It does not make anysense to set up a gate and hire the staff at this time. AA and DL both still send MDs to GSO so if there is any speacilized equipment needed for the MDs those would be there best choices. If that were the case I would assume AA would come out on top as DL serves Orlando from GSO.

How is check in going to work? They will have to setup there own Check in counter and man that with employees 3 days a week won't they or can they some how contract that out as well?
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:56 am

Speaking of PIE serice, here is a picture from my recent G4 trip to PIE

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RE: Allegiant Air Announces GSO Service To Florida

Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:38 am

Hmmm, I wonder how this will turn out.

Most of the traffic loss in GSO has been due to a lack of competition. I'd like to see Allegiant succeed, but I wonder how aggressive US and DL are going to be on these routes. It won't take much for Delta to give Allegiant a run for their money in Orlando. Allegiant might be ok in Tampa service, but once again, US or Delta could easily start up routes just to knock them out of the Market.

Best of Luck to GSO and G4.

Anyone know how the Fayetteville, NC flights on Allegiant are doing?
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 19):
Anyone know how the Fayetteville, NC flights on Allegiant are doing?

Cancelled, the announcement was yesterday. Loads were only running about 54%
http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=257181
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:28 pm

Quoting PiedmontINT (Reply 15):
As far as I remember it was more like they were run out of town on a rail by the GSO Airport Authority. I cant remember why exactly, but FL did something to piss everyone off at GSO enough to kick them out.



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 16):
No?!?!??! I thought ridership was low.. what did they do? Oh my God.. issues..

I worked with FL in GSO while on furlough from UA. The reason for FL's departure was the airport authority wanted to increase landing fees and rent to extend the North Concourse. FL did not want anymore gates or space and objected, this is where the falling out began. I would also have to say the CRJ's had a role as well, flights were full, but when we were on a flow control to ATL for three hours and DL would leave on time it left a very bad impression. The last issue happened after I left, but I witnessed everything from FL cancelling all flights during the last week to none of the employees showing up the last two days of operation. We at UA and DL worked with the FL station manager to accept their tickets and reroute passengers.

I miss FL and do wish they would return, but its next to impossible right no with the current members of the airport authority.
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:54 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 20):
Quoting CasInterest (Reply 19):
Anyone know how the Fayetteville, NC flights on Allegiant are doing?

Cancelled, the announcement was yesterday. Loads were only running about 54%
http://www.fayobserver.com/article?i...57181

What happened there? It seems like it would take alot to not be able to sustain two weekly flights to Orlando.
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 22):
What happened there? It seems like it would take alot to not be able to sustain two weekly flights to Orlando.

Good question, I don't know the market so I have no idea.

In the article it says During the carrier’s best month in Fayetteville, its planes were 54 percent full, said Brad Whited, director of Fayetteville Regional Airport. Allegiant was selling tickets for about $80, a 50 percent discount.

When Allegiant removed its discount, the bookings fell further, he said. For a flight in May, Allegiant sold about 20 tickets on a 150-seat plane.


I give Allegiant lots of credit for being willing to try new markets. Most carriers would not take a risk, instead OAL stick to "safer" markets. But I like that Allegiant is willing to make the tough decisions, if it isn't working out like was hoped then why keep spending money.
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:15 pm

Thats too bad for FAY. Considering the drive time from Fayetteville to Orlando though, Its not a big surprise things didnt work out.


I still hope to see G4 in my city some day. Our proximity to hts may turn them away though.
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:05 pm

It will be interesting to see the affect GSO service will have on Allegiant flights to ROA.
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Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:32 am

From what I understand, the airport authority is eager to have any low-fare carrier back including FL...they must not be able to agree on fees or demand because it is not that they are unwilling. They are still trying like crazy to woo JetBlue and trying to raise money from the Greensboro, High Point, and Winston-Salem businesses to support service.

Most flights seem to be very full from GSO (this doesnt indicate yields, but still a good sign). Just wish some equipment upgrades would happen. DL is now at 3 mainline plus one CR9 a day, AA is bringing back mainline to DFW, and US has mostly CR9s and CR7s to CLT. It looks like UA pulled back a bit on their ex-plus flights to ORD and IAD, dont see as many of those aircraft in the schedule as earlier in the year. At least, they have kept mainline.

Just wish a hub out west could be added somewhere...LAS, PHX, SLC, or DEN...it seems the MSP flight on NW does really well with those western connections, Im shocked they dont have two daily flights to MSP!
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:00 am

When FlyI was starting to do really well to Tampa, Delta started the service, lowered prices and started taking the competition. FlyI ended up dumping the flight and soon after Delta killed the service to Tampa.

Cut throat business. I guess it works, but it really screws with the passengers and doesn't seem like real fair business. But when FlyI was gone, what other choice did the passengers have.

And don't get me started on Airtran. Their loads were high with the DC-9 AND CRJ and fares weren't exactly all that cheap comparatively.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:03 am

PIE=DEATH
Look at all the airlines that have failed after PIE service.

Good riddence Allegiamt.
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Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:37 am

You're right. I fly out of GSO quite a bit now and what are steeper fares than RDU. I am rarely on a flight, morning, midday or evening that isn't full or overbooked with United, US Airways or Delta. So, I don't quite get the reduced capacity during the week. But I am not a business analyst either. It could be that demand/money could be made here but more can be made elsewhere. But I just don't get how RDU gets service like they do with lower fares by the big 6 and similar fees compared with GSO, but profits can't be turned here but they can there?
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:05 am

I think part of it is that the competition there from Southwest and others keeps fares significantly lower.
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 29):
But I just don't get how RDU gets service like they do with lower fares by the big 6 and similar fees compared with GSO, but profits can't be turned here but they can there?

1 reason is because a lot of business travelers/consultants fly in and out of RDU, which means there are a lot more last minutes flights which cost a lot more than the 3 week prior fares that the leisure travelers purchase.. and you must know that RDU is a 50/50 business/leisure traveler market.. so airlines are able to not only get the higher business market, but also they can fill the rest of the planes with some of the "thriftier" pax.. but, if you notice, RDU traffic on the weekend is comparable to GSO..

so that's at least 1 reason..
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RE: Allegiant Air Announces GSO Service To Florida

Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting BillReid (Reply 28):
PIE=DEATH
Look at all the airlines that have failed after PIE service.

Good riddence Allegiamt.

Really, they have been doing quite well from what I understand.
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Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:52 pm

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RDU traffic on the weekend is comparable to GSO.

I mean, if that is the case, then why doesn't GSO see an upgrade in flights on the weekend or RDU see a downgrade in flights? I am so sick and tired of being packed into a full or overbooked CRJ or ERJ that I could scream. So, if weekend traffic is still the same, why is it the RDU gets to keep mainline flights while GSO keeps smaller planes. So it seems RDU would be losing more money on the weekend comparatively.

Greensboro is dead anyway. I've said it once and I'll say it again. It is always empty. No one flies in and out of it anymore. Fares are high. And I have no clue why the government wasted money expanding by 7 gates when we couldn't even fill the gates we had. I hate that "if you build it they will come" attitude.

And so we're supposed to be happy about Allegiant. Big deal. We pulled in another second rate airline on the level of Shuttle America and Eastwind. So while RDU and CLT are getting JetBlue and big names, we're pulling in CrapAir.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Announces GSO Service To Florida

Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:25 pm

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 33):
RDU see a downgrade in flights?

RDU does see a downgrade in flights and aircraft size in the weekends.. there are a LOT of RJ flights on the weekend that are mainline during the weekday.

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 33):
And so we're supposed to be happy about Allegiant. Big deal.

Actually that is a big deal and may be the catalyst for airlines to start looking at GSO again to review their service and offerings.. any new service for an airport is good overall..

As to why the fares are so high? That's I can't explain.. I guess you need to look at the amount of true traffic, the amount that bleeds, the amount of traffic that is business vs leisure, the amount of traffic that is booking in advance vs last minute, etc.. I really can't tell you but I"m sure all that information is on the web somewhere..

But don't fret.. just because jetBlue is in CLT and RDU doesn't mean it won't come to GSO later.. who thought they would be in EWR, JFK, AND LGA? who thought they would be in SFO AND OAK?

Don't give up on the airport. I'm sure they are doing all that they can do to get better service and lower fares.. but the airport can only do so much.. it takes the cooperation of the businesses and the people to use the service..
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RE: Allegiant Air Announces GSO Service To Florida

Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 33):
And so we're supposed to be happy about Allegiant. Big deal. We pulled in another second rate airline on the level of Shuttle America and Eastwind.

Actually Allegiant is much stronger than Shuttle America or Eastwind. It is definitely not 2nd rate. Allegiant's stock today is about $31/share, up from the IPO price of $18/share a few months ago.

Yes G4 only focuses on leisure travel which may not please you and no it does not have connections. But it is becoming a very strong leisure travel company.

GSO because of the surrounding population has a chance to gain a number of leisure destinations as Allegiant adds focus cities. I've flown in and out of GSO to work with a client so I know there is a lot to offer in the area.

But if people have the same attitude as you and choose not to use Allegiant, well the message becomes GSO is not an airport that should grow, a message other airlines will also see.

Why would another airline, say a LCC or LFC, want to add mainline equipment to GSO if the area can't fill a few MDs a week with vacationers?

Support what you have and the others will notice and wonder what if they are missing something. Choose not to support a new carrier at GSO and you raise doubts about the support other airlines might receive.
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RE: Allegiant Air Announces GSO Service To Florida

Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:26 am

I get what you are saying FATFLyer, but Allegiant serves Orlando and Tampa, two areas that I have no reason to go to. So it is hard for me to support them. But there has to be call for those areas. Both FlyI and Delta served those in the past year.

As for supporting the airport. It is hard when I am primarily a business traveler and the company makes me fly out of RDU now because it is cheaper to have me drive to RDU and fly out of there (and store the car) than it is for me to fly out of GSO period.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Announces GSO Service To Florida

Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 36):
I get what you are saying FATFLyer, but Allegiant serves Orlando and Tampa, two areas that I have no reason to go to. So it is hard for me to support them.

I know, but too many people misunderstand what Allegiant is though. They are a leisure travel company and don't try to be anything else.

Too many startups try to compete directly with the legacies or be something they are not. But that is why I like Allegiant's business plan: watch costs; be profitable; move vacationers from small/midsized cities to a destination; and they work to avoid having an ego about who they are or where they fly.

They don't worry about market share, frequency, etc. Instead it is all about being profitable with the aircraft. Heck Allegiant's CEO takes no salary, invested his own money in the company when he bought it, and works from a cubicle alongside the other employees.

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 36):
As for supporting the airport. It is hard when I am primarily a business traveler and the company makes me fly out of RDU now because it is cheaper to have me drive to RDU and fly out of there (and store the car) than it is for me to fly out of GSO period.

I understand that completely. FAT is higher priced than many of the California airports on some routes I've used. The airport here sees a driveaway rate of something like 40%.

I heard some requests over the years from employers and clients that I should use a different airport to save money. But once I tell them that they then have to pay for my time to drive 3 or 4 hours each way to another airport like OAK then the complaints go away.  Wink But I'm in a position where I can tell others that.

I did have to work with a Greensboro client about 12 years ago for 3 or 4 months and did my weekly flights direct into GSO. Nice area and airport and it really should have better service.
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