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QR Given Australian Air Rights

Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:04 am

CANBERRA, March 16 (Reuters) - Middle East airline Qatar Airways has been awarded rights to operate a daily flight to Australia's second largest city of Melbourne, Transport Minister Mark Vaile said on Friday.

Vaile said under the new air services arrangement with Qatar, Qatar Airways will also have the right to operate a second daily flight to another Australian city from 2008 as Australia increases access rights for Middle East airlines.

http://au.biz.yahoo.com/070316/19/15bao.html

Good news for MEL finally
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:12 am

This is good news! Fairly soon we will have all of the big players down here:

GF
QR
EK
EY

Yay for this!
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:35 am

Out of interest will QR don't have the aircraft to do it non-stop do they? Which port will they come through in Asia?
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 2):
Out of interest will QR don't have the aircraft to do it non-stop do they?

In theory, their longest range aircraft, the A346HGW, could make DOH-MEL nonstop. At least according to the Great Circle Mapper, hence the could. Still air distance between those two cities would be about 6454 nm, technically well within range of the A346.
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:40 am

They've been offered the services but will they take them up? I seem to recall reading earlier this week that QR were no longer interested in Australian services if EK intended to fly the A380 to Australia, which, of course, they do.
It's one thing to be offered the rights, it's another to take them up.
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:42 am

Even with full headwinds, I can't imagine A346HGW would have any trouble with that. Congrats to Australia on picking up a world class airline, congrats to Qatar on expanding to a new continent.
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:11 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 4):
They've been offered the services but will they take them up? I seem to recall reading earlier this week that QR were no longer interested in Australian services if EK intended to fly the A380 to Australia, which, of course, they do.
It's one thing to be offered the rights, it's another to take them up.

I sincerly hope they do take it up, like i have mentioned before, it would be good to see another airline here....
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:17 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 4):
They've been offered the services but will they take them up? I

offered the services??
they've been battling for 3 years to get daily rights!

you bet they will take them up...

Nov 2007 start I think...

perhaps A332 via BKK to start with, but if available, B777LR for non stops.
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:46 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
perhaps A332 via BKK to start with, but if available, B777LR for non stops.

How about via KUL, not much competition except MH?

Good news for MEL, seemingly when we are loosing airlines all the time....
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:50 pm

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 8):
Good news for MEL, seemingly when we are loosing airlines all the time....

Have to agree, it can only be a good thing & about time. QF didn't get what they wanted with this one.
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 4):
They've been offered the services but will they take them up? I seem to recall reading earlier this week that QR were no longer interested in Australian services if EK intended to fly the A380 to Australia, which, of course, they do.
It's one thing to be offered the rights, it's another to take them up.

I heard about this and I was wondering exactly the same thing. It surprises me that QR would take this stance. After all, how long will it be before EK can actually operate A380s to Australia? Two years? If QR can get a good run in and develop a service and a good reputation (as it seems to have), won't it make life difficult for EK and it may even think twice before putting A380s on the route? (Mind you, something tells me economics isn't first on either carrier's mind!)

Also, will QR have fifth freedom rights between Australia and whatever city they choose as an en route stop?
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:55 am

it is a good news for qatar, love flying on qatar, excellent services, and all brand new flights
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:24 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
will QR have fifth freedom rights between Australia and whatever city they choose as an en route stop?

yes, full 5th are available over KUL, SIN, BKK....
I understand CMB was looked at some years ago, but Sri lankan authorities weren't willing to come to the party.... understandably, with UL looking to resume australian ops...
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:45 pm

Sorry but as long as DOH is still the way it is and the ground staff of Qatar Airways are still rude as they have always been, there is no way I will be connecting through DOH again.... call me when the new airport opens.... and God be with all those who are going to connect through DOH

Don't get me wrong, QR service in the air is AMAZING! I truly enjoyed it, but on the ground.... it is another story.... they really mess things up on the ground...

I really cannot understand how they can start New York, Sao Paolo and now Melbourne with such a small airport!!!! Small and VERY crowded and the ground staff are unfriendly.... ouch.... But their airplanes are beautiful and the air crew is very very nice... not a perfect marriage between ground and air!
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:25 pm

The A 346IGW will struggle to fly DOH-MEL-DOH year round nonstop without a payload restriction and there is no point for QR flying this acft to MEL if it suffers this fate. Maximum revenue potential should be looked at.

If QR are going to start MEL service in 2007, that means with an A 346 or A 333...keeping that in mind, MEL should be flown via BKK using an A 333 as the only competition that it would face on the BKK-MEL route would be from TG whose inflight seat comfort / size / IFE is far inferior to QR's A 333 fleet.

However, if QR can wait until the B 772LRs of their's arrive, I would recommend them flying the route nonstop from DOH to attract the premium customers from the UK, DXB, Saudi Arabia and mainland EU to fly them as their main competitor i.e. EK too offers nonstop DAILY services from DXB to MEL.
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:41 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 14):
However, if QR can wait until the B 772LRs of their's arrive, I would recommend them flying the route nonstop from DOH to attract the premium customers from the UK, DXB, Saudi Arabia and mainland EU to fly them as their main competitor i.e. EK too offers nonstop DAILY services from DXB to MEL.

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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting EK156 (Reply 13):
Sorry but as long as DOH is still the way it is and the ground staff of Qatar Airways are still rude as they have always been, there is no way I will be connecting through DOH again.... call me when the new airport opens.... and God be with all those who are going to connect through DOH

Well, it is not that bad. Probably you had a very bad expierence, but I do not think that the new Airport brings in new people.  Smile BTW God must be very busy because there are millions of people connecting through DOH.

Quoting EK156 (Reply 13):
Don't get me wrong, QR service in the air is AMAZING! I truly enjoyed it, but on the ground.... it is another story.... they really mess things up on the ground...

Do you mean the ground service in generell or just DOH?

Quoting EK156 (Reply 13):
I really cannot understand how they can start New York, Sao Paolo and now Melbourne with such a small airport!!!! Small and VERY crowded and the ground staff are unfriendly.... ouch.... But their airplanes are beautiful and the air crew is very very nice... not a perfect marriage between ground and air!

The airport is way better than it used to be 2 years ago. There is a lot of space especially in the first floor, the question is just why all the people are waiting downstairs.  Smile
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:21 pm

people wait downstairs because of duty free shops
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:46 pm

Quoting Mtsubshe (Reply 17):
people wait downstairs because of duty free shops

But some connecting times are more than 4 hours at DOH so it doesn´t make sense for the passengers to wait downstairs when there is plenty of space available upstairs.  Smile
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:05 am

I am not sure if you guys know, but from December and maybe before, the airport has expanded upstairs. There are plenty of seats and an extra cafe upstairs. It is still small, but way bigger than it was before.
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 19):

I was in DOH in NOV and downstairs was hell and upstairs it was like heaven. Almost all seats available.

It was just anoying that you can´t take pictures from above becaus of this semi see through windows..... especially since the Emir´s father private jet the B747SP was standing right there in front of me.

Will be interesting to see how it will be in Maywhen I am going to DOH again.
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 14):
EK too offers nonstop DAILY services from DXB to MEL

But the direct-flight EK A345 runs in tandem with their much bigger capacity B777 via SIN. From the press report I understood QR will fly via BKK?
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Antskip (Reply 21):
From the press report I understood QR will fly via BKK?

This was the initial plan when QR first asked for the rights to MEL.
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 14):
as the only competition that it would face on the BKK-MEL route would be from TG whose inflight seat comfort / size / IFE is far inferior to QR's A 333 fleet.

Not to forget QF low cost subsidiary who also fly on this route. In regards to TG they fly their latest aircraft on this route (A346 or B772ER) so I don't really think they have an inferior product.
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:20 am

So, have QR themselves made any announcement about if/when MEL will come on-line?
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:17 am

Do they want to continue onto Auckland?
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:13 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 25):
Do they want to continue onto Auckland?

No!
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 15):
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 14):
However, if QR can wait until the B 772LRs of their's arrive, I would recommend them flying the route nonstop from DOH to attract the premium customers from the UK, DXB, Saudi Arabia and mainland EU to fly them as their main competitor i.e. EK too offers nonstop DAILY services from DXB to MEL.

Why don't you point this out to Al Baker, I bet he missed this .............

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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:55 pm

Quoting EK156 (Reply 13):
I really cannot understand how they can start New York, Sao Paolo and now Melbourne with such a small airport!!!! Small and VERY crowded and the ground staff are unfriendly.... ouch.... But their airplanes are beautiful and the air crew is very very nice... not a perfect marriage between ground and air!

Pretty difficult to justify the new airport if the capacity isnt needed... By QR expanding its network it would place pressure on the existing one and the justify construction of the NEW airport...One way to look at it...

Quoting Antskip (Reply 21):
From the press report I understood QR will fly via BKK?

I hope your right  Smile More seats available via BKK is a must  Wink

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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 28):
I hope your right More seats available via BKK is a must

As I have mentioned numerous times in the past in relation to QR ops to MEL, BKK makes sense for a number of reasons.

Apart from BKK only having TG and JQ operations from MEL, Thailand is apopular leisure destination, and under the FTA, there are increasing trade and business opportunities.

From QR's perspective, BKK offers an easy extension of current services, which means only 1 additional aircraft is required for daily ops, rather than 2-3 aircraft.

QRs current BKK schedule

**W***S 1:10a DOH 12:00p BKK QR 614 Non-stop 332 6:50
MT*TFS* 8:00a DOH 6:50p BKK QR 610 Non-stop 332 6:50
Daily 8:30p DOH 7:20a+1 BKK QR 612 Non-stop 332 6:50


MTWTFSS 8:35a BKK 11:35a DOH QR 613 Non-stop 332 7:00
**W***S 4:05p BKK 7:05p DOH QR 615 Non-stop 332 7:00
MT*TFS* 8:10p BKK 11:10p DOH QR 611 Non-stop 332 7:00

So for MEL ops, all QR would need to do is extend QR612/613 through to MEL.

Schedule would look something like this

DOH 2030
BKK 0720
BKK 0850
MEL 2050

MEL 0045
BKK 0705+1
BKK 0835
DOH 1135

So all QR needs in BKK is one additional set of landing rights.
from a ground crew and handling perspective, flights operate via BKK at the same time, hence check-in, etc etc can be done with one set of crew.

I put my money on QR launching the above services by Nov 2007.
 
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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:46 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 29):
So all QR needs in BKK is one additional set of landing rights.
from a ground crew and handling perspective, flights operate via BKK at the same time, hence check-in, etc etc can be done with one set of crew.

I put my money on QR launching the above services by Nov 2007.

An interesting way to put it..Well pointed out  Wink

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RE: QR Given Australian Air Rights

Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:40 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 30):
An interesting way to put it..Well pointed out

Thanks...

but I should add that what QR would need is an additional pair of slots at BKK, not landing rights....

the landing rights [air services arrangements] are already in place!