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Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:19 am

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/307716_boeing16.html

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After a production run of more than 450 planes, The Boeing Co. has built its final 747-400 passenger jet.
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:24 am

On to bigger and better things now (literally) LOL
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:27 am

I think it is appropriate that the last 744 passenger order was converted to a 773ER since that plane essentially ended any possibility of further 744 orders.

We'll see where the 748 Interncontinental goes. I hadn't even realized that LH had ordered 20. I must have been asleep under a log.
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:27 am

It's kind of academic, in that the newest 744 pax (with CAL) is two years old; all 744s now in production of scheduled, until the 747-8 is delivered, are freighters.

450 is a very respectable production run for a large aircraft. The 747 is already at around 1,380 deliveries and the combined 747 order book must be close to 1,500 - if it hasn't exceeded it already.

I'm really pleased that the 747 has found a new lease of life in the -8; there's a lot of airplanes I really like (A340, 777, 767, A310), one I detest with a passion (BAe 146), but there's only one greatest ... and that's the 747. It should go out on a high and I hope the 747-8 is a huge success.
 
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Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:30 am

The humpback will be flying well into this century, no need to shed a tear for the -400. Anyone who hasn't flown on one already will have many more years to hop on one.
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:45 am

I would like to hop on one when I go to Japan or China... as soon as I am able to afford that...

I will never forget that time I was at the end of the C concourse at PIT and was staring right up at a BA 744. That was the closest I ever got to a 747. Just staring up at this colossal piece of equipment, with those massive 8-foot air intakes on those engines.

I was 9 years old at the time...
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Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:06 am

is the 747-400ER pax done to or can airlines still get those?
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):
is the 747-400ER pax done to or can airlines still get those?

No, that'll be dead as well as it's just a normal pax 400 with fatter engines.

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Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 8):
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):
is the 747-400ER pax done to or can airlines still get those?

No, that'll be dead as well as it's just a normal pax 400 with fatter engines.

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Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:03 am

This is a tragedy for me :'(

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Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:22 am

The 744 is truly a majestic lady, I enjoyed several rides om her in the upper Deck on some the world's best airlines in her upper deck. Flying Business Class on Qantas and Singapore Airlines have been among my more memorable trips, getting there is really half the fun. It will be quite some time before the existing 744 passenger fleet is replaced. As beautiful as the 777 is a 744 she isn't.
 
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Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:36 am

Well, this is truely a sad annoucement for me.  cry  Ive loved the 747 all my life and now, its gone. of course, there is the 747-8 , but the 747-400 was the last 747 to reatin its orginal landmarks: 231 ft long, triple slotted flap, landing gear, etc. I hope more airlines order ther 747-8I Pax, because the day the 747 family is retired, a part of me will be numb.  tombstone 
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:57 am

To whom did the last 744 PAX go? Who is CAL and have all 747s produced in the last 2 years been freighters?

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):
It's kind of academic, in that the newest 744 pax (with CAL) is two years old; all 744s now in production of scheduled, until the 747-8 is delivered, are freighters.

Please elaborate.
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:59 am

thats a sad announcement. i liked the 747. wonderful plane. although sat in it only couple times, but admire it. waiting for 747i.
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:03 am

Well the end of the line for the 744, what a great aircraft! Roll on the 748!

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 14):
To whom did the last 744 PAX go? Who is CAL and have all 747s produced in the last 2 years been freighters?

China Airlines of Taiwan. And yes all 744's produced since that last delivery to CI have been 744F's ERF's maybe a VIP aircraft in there?
 
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting NicolasRubio (Reply 11):
This is a tragedy for me :'(



Quoting Amritpal (Reply 15):
thats a sad announcement. i liked the 747. wonderful plane. although sat in it only couple times, but admire it. waiting for 747i.

I don't see why people would mourn this as if a funeral dirge were playing. It is, after all, being replaced by a superior derivative. It would be different if the 747 were being discontinued altogether. Did you two also shed tears for the 772A?
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
We'll see where the 748 Interncontinental goes. I hadn't even realized that LH had ordered 20. I must have been asleep under a log.

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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:54 am

I guess the call that PR cancelled their remaining 4 747-400s was right on.

I ws wrong about the new 748 orders yesterday. I thought they were I but they are Fs.
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:11 am

How many of the 450 744's produced are still in service....? I believe quite a few have already gone to the scrapyards in the deserts.....
 
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:28 am

I'm sad to hear that the pax 744 is going out of production but it still has life; the 747-8.

I remember my first flight on a 744. And yes it was a 744 because I remember whining to my dad about going up on the upper deck. Back then the 747 was about the only plane I could identify and have evidense to prove that it was in fact a 747.

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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:38 am

WOW I new it was coming but I had no idea this soon I would thought they would wait until at least ext year or sometime closer to the 747-8 pax launch but I guess the 773ER just ran (or flew  Wink) it straight out of the production (who knew there would be competing planes both made by Boeing :S)
 
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Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:46 am

Amazing Run.Now time for the B748i
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Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:04 am

An amazing plane - and a great success for Boeing. I've (so far) flown on 747-400s in the colours of

Cathay Pacific
BA
QANTAS
Singapore Airlines
Thai
Lufthansa
ANA

and I hope there are many more to come. It'd be nice to add SAA and NZ to get the full (but small) set of pax 744s with RR but I suspect I've missed my chance.

Still, if ever a sub-model of an airliner deserved the title "classic" the 747-400 is it.

The 747-100 entered service promising to revolutionise air travel. Arguably, it wasn't really until the -400 that this became a reality. It has been huge fleets of -400s rather than any -100s, -200s or -300s that have shifted squillions of people around the planet.

Outside of the USA, are there any significant long-haul operators that never ordered or operated the 747-400? It depends how you choose to define "significant" but I can't immediately think of any.
 
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:14 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
And a center fuel tank that eats up lower deck cargo space

Do you mean that the auxiliary fuel tanks are the ones taking up lower deck cargo space? As far as I know, the actual Centre Wing Tank (CWT) structure is the same physical size for all 747 models.

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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:37 am

Quoting Deltajet757 (Reply 22):
I remember my first flight on a 744. And yes it was a 744 because I remember whining to my dad about going up on the upper deck.

How does that prove it was a 744?
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Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 28):
How does that prove it was a 744?

Yeah, it could've been any 747 for that matter... did the aircraft have one set of windows like on the 741 or 742? Or was a second set present as on the 743 or -4 series?
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 28):
Quoting Deltajet757 (Reply 22):
I remember my first flight on a 744. And yes it was a 744 because I remember whining to my dad about going up on the upper deck.

How does that prove it was a 744?

By not having the spiral stair case makes it a 743/744 or a SUD conversion.

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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):
How many of the 450 744's produced are still in service....? I believe quite a few have already gone to the scrapyards in the deserts.....

Some have been converted to freighters, but of the original 744 PAX models, 445 are still in service (419 744, 6 744ER, 20 744D). Six aircraft are in storage, and 3 were WO in accidents.

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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:03 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Quote:
After a production run of more than 450 planes, The Boeing Co. has built its final 747-400 passenger jet.

This news actually surprises me. Why would they end production now, and not when they get close to producing the 747-8? There's still a couple of years inbetween...

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Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:09 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
After a production run of more than 450 planes, The Boeing Co. has built its final 747-400 passenger jet

Well, I never saw that one coming.

I guess it's something we all had to expect. It's one of those things that make you go "wow".

It's sort of an end of an era, but not really, since the 747-8 is coming out soon. Oh well, the 400 is still flying, and that's good enough for me.

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Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:52 pm

I've only flown the -400 three times, but the -100 and -200 frequently and the -SP once; alas, never the -300. There's something inately special about the 747 models. Whereas the Douglas aircraft ride beautifully, the 747 derivatives are in a class of their own. Many, many of my flight hours have been spent enjoyably aboard 747's. They have truly been trendsetters in their own ways. Now, on to bigger and better Boeings, but the -400 models will still be the workhorse of the International flights for a looooong. The A340's and 380's are lovely planes, but will never be in the leagues of the 747's. Boeing, ya done good - as usual!  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:05 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):
How many of the 450 744's produced are still in service....? I believe quite a few have already gone to the scrapyards in the deserts.....

Thats 450+ PAX 744 plus probably 200 250 744F's.

No 744's have been scrapped and won't be for a few years yet, some older PAX versions have been converted to 744BCF's with several more on order but 744's will remain in PAX service for atleast another 15 years IMO.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 32):
This news actually surprises me. Why would they end production now, and not when they get close to producing the 747-8? There's still a couple of years inbetween...

Because they weren't getting any orders. By the time the 748 is entering service there will be a few airlines looking to replace older 744's with 748's those that havn't already done so and replaced them with 777's or A340's.
 
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 8):
No, that'll be dead as well as it's just a normal pax 400 with fatter engines.

I beleive this was request from Qantas... This way they operate the SYD-LAX, MEL-LAX routes without weight restrictions...

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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:49 pm

All good things must come to an end I guess. I have at least flown 744 once, AF CDG-SFO, it was really nice.
If I ever have to pick one favourite aircraft (I have several) it would easily be the 744. To me, it represents so much. Not only is it extremely good looking, it has a unique combination of size and sleekness. It is an extension of an aircraft that really started an era and it makes me happy Boeing will continue the legacy with the 748.

So, what I'd like to say is: thanks Boeing for a wonderful aircraft and good luck with its successor!

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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:16 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 30):
Why would they end production now, and not when they get close to producing the 747-8?

Because Boeing has zero unfilled pax 747-400 orders and there are no more 747-400 production slots left. All the remaining 747-400 production slots are all for freighters. Any new 747 orders will be for the 747-8 versions.
 
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Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:54 pm

As one can tell from my callsign, I am a 744 fanatic learning all of her intricacies all these years. I was lucky enough to be on the left seat of a level d 744 simulator 2 hours a year ago. It was really a dream come true.

On to the next generation, shall we?!


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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:05 pm

The Queen of the skies is dead. Long live the Queen!

Farewell to the greatest airplane built so far.
 
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:43 pm

I could really shead a tear now! From the beginning of my aviation enthusiasm the 747-400 has been my true dream plane!
Like others have said the 747-800 will come.. but the classic winglets will be gone..new engines etc. The 747 in general is the real Queen of The Skies and no other plane will ever remain in my head like the 747.

RIP 747-400

And Longlive the new Queen of the Skies the 747-8

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Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting Lostmoon744 (Reply 36):
74s I've been on:

Northwest
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Singapore
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Try something with RR, Why don'tcha?!
 
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:39 pm

Lets hope the 748 will last as long as the 744, though 18 years is a long time to be in production.
 
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Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:05 am

I think WINGS should do a tribute to the 744 pax version. I have never flown on the 744 pax, but love seing them. For the pilots, it must cool being able to fly the queen.

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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 40):
Lets hope the 748 will last as long as the 744, though 18 years is a long time to be in production.

AMEN! I want so badly to have the privilage of flying on one of those birds.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 41):
I think WINGS should do a tribute to the 744 pax version. I have never flown on the 744 pax, but love seing them. For the pilots, it must cool being able to fly the queen.

I would like to see a tribute as well. I am sure that flying a 747 would be a pilot's dream come true for many.  cloudnine 
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 32):
No 744's have been scrapped and won't be for a few years yet,

What about the 744 that overran into the water at Kai Tak?
 
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Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:23 am

Why all the sad faces. The 747-8 intercontinental is going to way out cool the 747-400. This is going to be a super 747 and I can't wait to see this baby flying. Cheer up mateys.... It's the dawn of a 747 that will be here for another 20-30 years.
 
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:05 pm

Sadly the B747 program will be replaced by the lovely and more economical twin program B777/B787... With the LH order of 20 B748Intercontinental it has let some light on the program but not enough to justify the B747 as long-hauler of the future... This is my opinion and  twocents  worth ... I love the aircraft but twins have made stand as the NEW long-hauler...

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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:59 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
Sadly the B747 program will be replaced by the lovely and more economical twin program B777/B787... With the LH order of 20 B748Intercontinental it has let some light on the program but not enough to justify the B747 as long-hauler of the future... This is my opinion and twocents worth ... I love the aircraft but twins have made stand as the NEW long-hauler...

A lot of important players have yet to weigh in on the 748/380, so there's plenty of fuel to add to the 748 run yet. For example, it would be an upset indeed if Boeing didn't earn a 748 order from at least one of BA, UA, and JL, and orders from all three are easily possible.

Still, it seems unlikely that the 748 will reach the amazing volume that its older sister has.
 
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Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:01 pm

Quoting BosWashSprStar (Reply 46):
Still, it seems unlikely that the 748 will reach the amazing volume that its older sister has.

As I understand it, the firm expectation that sales would be far less than the 744 was what made Boeing insist on only one engine option.
 
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:15 pm

Sad to see her go. Without a doubt my favorite aircraft, though I've only flown in a 744 once, from Singapore to Hongkong with Cathay. Will be on a BA one from LHR to SIN later this year though...

Lets hope the 748 does equally well, and we'll see our favorite hump grace the skies for many years to come!
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RE: Boeing Ends Production For 747-400 PAX Version

Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:10 pm

Quoting JAM747 (Reply 43):
What about the 744 that overran into the water at Kai Tak?

That was declared a write off, as was a KE 744 that overran the runway at Seoul in 1998.

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