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What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:12 am

I was looking at some of the specifications/dimensions etc of the B787 products and realised that the 787-300 series is practically the same as the 787-800, apart from the fact that the latter has a longer range.

Is there any reason for this? Why don't they just have the 787-800 instead of having both designs?

They both seat the same amount of passengers.
They're both the same in length, width etc.
Both have the same wingspan.


So can anyone think why Boeing designed to very similar products, which hyperthetically could have been designed as one?
 
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
Both have the same wingspan.

No, they don't. The 787-3's wing is a truncated version of the 787-8's wing. It has winglets while the -8 has raked wing tips. The reason for the shorter wing was to allow the aircraft to fit in gates designed for the DC-10.
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:19 am

The 787-3 is optimized for shorter haul operations.....why fly an airplane with a range of 8000 miles on flights that average 500-1000 miles in length? The 787-3 will be lighter, more effecient, less costly to operate and cheaper to purchase than the more capable 787-8. Clearly, the 787-3 was designed with the shorthaul intra-Japan market in mind.....both ANA and JAL will use the 783 on the short Japanese domestic flights and some regional Asian services, the question is whether the 783 will attract interest from other airlines. Rumors suggest that the 783 will land some interesting orders as its can replace the A300 and 763A on most missions operated by those types....time will tell.
 
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:47 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
Rumors suggest that the 783 will land some interesting orders as its can replace the A300 and 763A on most missions operated by those types

...though recent precedence strongly suggests that airlines would rather "abuse" the -8/9 on shorter routes in return for the greater flexibility and resale value they offer.

Campaigns at the likes of SQ, DL, AA, BA, LH, etc will be very telling as to the fate of the -3.
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
...though recent precedence strongly suggests that airlines would rather "abuse" the -8/9 on shorter routes in return for the greater flexibility and resale value

That has always been my point of view.....my personal opinion was always that the 783 would not be very popular outside of Japan, but very recently there is a lot of talk about certain airlines (including US legacy) carriers showing a great deal of interest in the 783 for shorter haul operations.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
Campaigns at the likes of SQ, DL, AA, BA, LH, etc will be very telling as to the fate of the -3.

The rumor mill suggests that two or more of these carriers are prepared to commit to the 783.
 
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:58 am

The 787-3 is the perfect plain for dense, short-haul routes, such as intra-Japan and Miami-Caribbean.
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:01 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
That has always been my point of view

Actually, the 772A should be a glaring example of that...
...SQ opped for derated 772ERs for the mission profile that the 772A was built for. Heck, that airline even goes as far as to identify its non 9V-SV* series 772ERs as A-market models, even though they're not-- an action which, though I have no idea why, I find obnoxious as all hell! lol
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:13 am

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
They both seat the same amount of passengers.

No, the -3 seats 290 to 330 and the -8 seats 210 to 250
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
greater flexibility and resale value they offer

Unless you buy B783s to fly the same 1000Nm routes till they die. I simply do not see JAL and ANA selling on the aircraft, other than as very low value cargo conversion candidates or as recycling materials.

JAL's DC10s were still flying in 2005. One of their B741s was still flying domestic late 2006 (before going to orient thai in december)! And they still have heaps of B742s and B743s. ANA's B74Rs were flying until last year.
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
The 787-3 is the perfect plain for dense, short-haul routes, such as intra-Japan and Miami-Caribbean.

Not to mention one of the world's busiest routes, MEL-SYD-SYD; for which QF will not doubt be deploying a proportion of their 787s.
 
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:40 pm

Quoting Theoden (Reply 7):
No, the -3 seats 290 to 330 and the -8 seats 210 to 250

...pay attention to configuration
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RE: What Is The Point Of B787-300 And B787-800?

Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:25 pm

What's even stranger is that the 787-9 which is longer and seats more passengers than the 787-8 has greater range, it has traditionally been the other way around with fuselage stretches.
If Boeing gave the 787-8 the same MTOW as the 787-9, it could probably fly 9000+ nm.