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Thu Jul 27, 2000 5:39 am

Can any airliner fly between those cities?
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Thu Jul 27, 2000 5:48 am

Not sure if you refer to an aircraft when saying "airliner" (ie nonstop service) or airline. Both Qantas and South African Airways fly between SYD and JNB. SAA utilise 747-200s for the flight, and Perth is their refueling point. I think Qantas operates 747-400s. I don't know if the 747-400 has to make a refueling stop. (it's an awful long way not to, but I don't know the range of a 747-400)
Hope the above helps.


Thu Jul 27, 2000 6:01 am

According to QF schedules, a 743 flies SYD-PER-harare (in Zimbabwe)-JNB.


Thu Jul 27, 2000 6:17 am

QF services to HRE are ceasing in October, so JNB will be the only destination served by QF on the continent. QF use 743's and often use 744's in their place.

SA use 747-200s on the JNB-PER-SYD route, although SPs are often substituted in place of them (which is great to see). Apparently SA will be using 744s in the months ahead on the route.

I think even if there was an aircraft capable of flying JNB-SYD non-stop, that neither QF or SA would do so, as PER is not merely a refuelling stop, but an important market for both airlines, due to the large ex-pat population living in Perth, and also increasing tourism and business ties (mainly mining) from Western Australia.

What would be good to see in the future is CPT-PER-SYD flights, totally taking out a stop in JNB, but until pax numbers from both countries increase, this is a pipe dream for me.


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Thu Jul 27, 2000 12:25 pm

Qantas now operate 744's on all their flights to South Africa, and with the demise of Harare this October, all QF services will be SYD-PER-JNB vs. In 1997 & 1998 Qantas actually operated the first scheduled service between the Australian East Coast from MEL non-stop to JNB with 744's. This service operated on Tuesdays, with a connection from Sydney in both directions. When the Qantas fleet of 744's began their refit to the new First Class sleeper seats, this flight was stopped due to the forseen aircraft shortage, and unfortunatley has not be re-started. With the large increase of QF services to LAX and JFK, these flights to JNB were obviously not worth the aircraft's time.
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Thu Jul 27, 2000 5:52 pm

Qantas does not currently use the 744's on the route. 743's are being used at the moment. How do I know?

1. I looked it up in the reservations system.

2. I live in Perth and allways get ACARS from the 744's when they are around.
Which they arent at the current time.

The 744's will be back on the route after the olympics I am told.

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Thu Jul 27, 2000 6:30 pm

It's technically possible for a 744 to make it non-stop SYD-JNB, but not worth anyones time doing it due to the payload restrictions it would require to complete the trip. MEL-JNB was run at one stage by QF non stop, but was withdrawn, supposedly due to fleet shortages with a upgrade of interior comforts taking place at the time, but low loadings on the flight were unfortunately commonplace.
Eastbound, it should be well within range for a 744 to make the run non stop at acceptable payload levels.
Perth is quite simply, too important a market for either SA or QF to overfly - there is a very large ex-pat Sth African population in the west. That's not to say that future skeds will show a non stop with an appropriate aircraft, but I think there will always be a PER stop on most flights.
Cheers. Al.
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Thu Jul 27, 2000 8:22 pm

Tim mate, dont lie!  

They are pretty irregular at the moment.
-400s all last week and today where as the next few flights will be -300s and -200s. We had Wunala last week  
So accordingly, in the most recent timetables they have put EQV, so I dont know why someone said they are -300s.
But in all seriousness, they mainly use -400s at the moment but occaisionally throw in classics.

As for SAA, they have -200 midweek services, whilst on weekends they use SPs. -SPC has been used every saturday for the last month  

2 or 3 years ago, Qantas had a once weekly MEL-JNB direct service and a once weekly SYD-JNB direct service, both using unmoderated aircraft. So its possible, but I'd hate to fly it, especially when you can stop in such a beautiful city like Perth.

Perth needs there 747s especially after BAs farewell.
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Thu Jul 27, 2000 8:35 pm

Dead sure 743 are on the run at the current time for a few months.

On the QF res system.
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Thu Jul 27, 2000 8:44 pm

Hi again!
I now have the official info from a travel agent friend who checked his computer.

As of the current day (July 27) the route will be operated by 743 & occasionally 742 and 747L aircraft , until the 28th of October when the -400's will be back on the route.

The 400's are currently not used for the route Like I stated in above messages. They may have been used last week, but note I said currently.
Im looking forward to the 28th of OCT as the 400's give out far better ACARS!


----------------------------------------------------10:02:31, 17/07/2000
VH-OJU B747-438
QANTAS AIRWAYS QF0064 Johannesburg-Perth-Sydney
Using Ground Station P Perth.Message No. D39A
Message Type H1 Message to/from terminal (General Message)
#2TB Johannesburg/SOUTH AFRICA Perth/WA
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