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CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:16 am

A Continental 777 aborted it's takeoff at EWR CO84 to Tel Aviv. Saw it on CBS News 2.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:33 am

Why do Aborted take-offs make the news?
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:45 am

Because it was a slow news day in NY most likely since JetBlue didn't have anything happen today!  Smile

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 1):
Why do Aborted take-offs make the news

But still a good question and begs another....why a simple abort gets posts here and why do I read them?  Confused
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:52 am

Mx issue, flight leaving estimated to leave now @ 1830.
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:59 am

Update...1930 depature (estimated), aircraft change.

Also apparent civil stikes in TLV? Possible delays and cancellations as a result. According to our res system.
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:02 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Also apparent civil stikes in TLV? Possible delays and cancellations as a result. According to our res system

Flying England support to be hit by Tel Aviv airport strike

A general strike will close Tel Aviv's main airport to most international flights from tomorrow and could lead to long delays for England fans travelling over for Saturday's Euro 2008 qualifier with Israel. The England team's flight will not be affected, however, as the general workers' union has promised to allow it to land.
The strike could last for days and with as many as 5000 England fans expected, many due on Thursday and Friday, chaos is a distinct prospect

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2038148,00.html
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:01 am

Ship 017 had some engine issue  ill  (exactly what is unknown) Swap to Ship 008
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:53 pm

According to a news report quoted on a FlyerTalk thread, there was an uncontained engine failure during the (aborted) takeoff roll, and the a/c is now out of service.

What does this do to aircraft availability for other flights? Does CO have operational spare 772 capacity?
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 1):
Why do Aborted take-offs make the news?

They showed this briefly on the news last night. This was not just a simple aborted take-off, it was a major incident From what I understand, one engine blew up and scattered pieces all over the runaway. They showed a picture of the plane with what appeared to be a collapsed front landing gear. To me this is major news and I am surprised I can't info any info on it in the web.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:16 pm

blew an engine rolling down the runway..............runway was closed for atleast 5 hours when i left work checking for debris.....
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:53 pm

listen to the tape it is a little past halfway. http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kewr/KEWR-Mar-20-2007-2030Z.mp3
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting EWRATC (Reply 10):
listen to the tape it is a little past halfway

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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:05 pm

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 8):
They showed a picture of the plane with what appeared to be a collapsed front landing gear.

Thank You! I saw it briefly on tv last night and the picture didn't have the whole plane, and the angle was suggesting a collapsed landing gear, I remembered seeing the thread before hand, and ran to the computer thinking that the thread would be full of replies and pictures, but to my amazement it was more like people complaining about "the incident making the news" so I thought I saw just a bad angle etc.
Can anyone confirm the gear collapse, and if its true what are the extent of the damage to the AC? I will search for pictures, if anyone finds any I would appreciate if they can post it here.
I'm glad no one is hurt.
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:06 pm

Listening to the MP3, start listening at 19:45 - Continental 84 gets his clearance for takeoff very shortly after. The incident occurs at 20:49ish...

Interesting listening for certain!

[Edited 2007-03-21 16:10:22]
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:09 pm

sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident. good thing everyone is safe.
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident. good thing everyone is safe.

Jeez....scary stuff
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 12):

there was no gear collapse.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident

Um, no?
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident.

Very unnecessary and highly speculative. MH had one to out of ZRH (pics too), neither an accident or fatal. Totally uncalled for.

[Edited 2007-03-21 16:34:34]
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 16):
here was no gear collapse.

Thanks for the clarification CALMSP. I knew you or EWRCABINCREW would clarify.
I'm trying to find the video online, the way they showed it and the angle was very tricky to my eyes obviously. Thanks again for the clarification.
You know anything else about the a/c condition and how long will it be out of service. Thanks

[Edited 2007-03-21 16:28:52]
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:29 pm

It always amazes me how well the controllers and pilots handle themselves.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 20):
It always amazes me how well the controllers and pilots handle themselves.

Efficiency, calmness, professionalism are the three words I thought of when listening to that...
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:45 pm

Kudos to that EWR controller for handling the traffic backup during this situation. Very well trained and professionally done! Shows how vital it is keeping calm and doing your job when an anomaly pops up like this one.

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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident. good thing everyone is safe.

That seems rather sensational to me. As the abort occurred rather early in the take off roll, how can you draw such a conclusion?
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 18):
Very unnecessary and highly speculative. MH had one to out of ZRH (pics too), neither an accident or fatal. Totally uncalled for.

What is your problem?

They had an uncontained engine failure with pieces all over the place on takeoff. This is the absolute worst time to have such an incident and CO did a good job to keep the plane safe. Just last month an uncontained failure on takeoff (from luggage into the engine) led to a crash of a jet near my house at VNY.

Please, please, please explain to me why saying that they averted a catastrophe is uncalled for? I don't get it.

I'm a big CO fan, silver or gold depending on the year, but I've lost a little respect for you personally by that defensive attitude.
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:05 am

What engine type does Continental use on its 777-200ERs?
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:08 am

Quoting Skyhawk62507 (Reply 25):
What engine type does Continental use on its 777-200ERs?

GE 90-94B engines up to alittle while ago they used to be -90B but they wer eupgraded to a higher thrust rating from 90,000 to 94,000Lbs of thrust

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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 26):
GE 90-94B engines up to alittle while ago they used to be -90B but they wer eupgraded to a higher thrust rating from 90,000 to 94,000Lbs of thrust

Thanks!
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 24):
Please, please, please explain to me why saying that they averted a catastrophe is uncalled for?

Your exact words were

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident

Unless you were flying the plane and were there (and as a bystander here) it was a highly speculative statement. MH had the same thing in ZRH. Where was your fatal accident remark there? Did they avert a potential accident, quite possibly, but did you have to go one step further and add "fatal"? That was the speculative part.

Defensive, maybe, you're right. Guilty as charged.

The pilots did a phenomenal job. An uncontained engine failure does not necessarily lead to a fatal accident. That is my beef.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 24):
What is your problem?

Thank you for singling me out, when others share this view, too.

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 23):
That seems rather sensational to me. As the abort occurred rather early in the take off roll, how can you draw such a conclusion?



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 17):
Um, no?

I am sorry that if being defensive, I lose a little respect with you. For that remark, you, too, have lost a little respect with me.

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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:26 am

I still find it strange that there is absolutely nothing about this in the news except for that 5 seconds in the evening news. Maybe this is not newsworthy after all.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 2):
But still a good question and begs another....why a simple abort gets posts here and why do I read them?

You bring up a good point. I was going to post a thread about how we encountered some light to moderate chop at FL330 yesterday....but then I thought better of it.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:41 am

Let me just make sure: the 777 and all other aircraft are designed to still lift off and return to the airport in the event of an engine failure at any point on takeoff. Correct?
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:58 am

Quoting N243NW (Reply 22):
Kudos to that EWR controller

Agree 100%. A little off topic, but anyone who thinks a controller at that type of facility should make less than AT LEAST 150k a year is insane.

Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 31):
Correct?

If it's a contained failure, then you are correct. You never know what an uncontained failure can lead to.
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:04 am

Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 31):
Let me just make sure: the 777 and all other aircraft are designed to still lift off and return to the airport in the event of an engine failure at any point on takeoff. Correct?

Yes. But not just at any point on takeoff. Once the crew reaches V1, the go/no-go decision point based on numerous factors (runway length, obstacle clearance, etc.), the plane can safely continue and clear the end of the runway even if an engine is lost. Then, the crew would go through their checklists/engine-out procedures to come back around and land.

Hope that helps, in somewhat simple terms.

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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:16 am

Wow that audio clip was amazing. Thanks for posting it. I think the comments on fatalities were unjust. I think it was CO and ATC's finest hour (that night). Fantastic handling of the situation...Bravo!
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:19 am

I'm surprised the engine shattered, CO's 777 are fairly new and I don't think this ever happened to a GE90 before. Thank GOD this happened at Newark where CO has spare airplanes.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 35):
Thank GOD this happened at Newark where CO has spare airplanes.

Thank GOD this happened on the ground when the plane was travelling slowly enough to stop before reaching the end of the runway.

Thank GE for designing an engine that suffers such failures so rarely.

Thank Boeing for designing a plane that can suffer such a failure and still remain under control, in one piece, and not on fire.

Am I right in thinking such a failure on older-designed airframes could have made this look like a REALLY good day?
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 36):
Thank GOD this happened on the ground when the plane was travelling slowly enough to stop before reaching the end of the runway.

Thank GE for designing an engine that suffers such failures so rarely.

Thank Boeing for designing a plane that can suffer such a failure and still remain under control, in one piece, and not on fire.

And a huge thanks to the entire crew for a job well done.
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:37 am

I've checked all the online news outlets I can think of and still nothing reported. Usually the media would jump on this type of story to hype it up lately it seems.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident. good thing everyone is safe.

Umm. I dont think engine failure is close to having a fatal accident...great job to the crew and ATC controller.
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 31):
Let me just make sure: the 777 and all other aircraft are designed to still lift off and return to the airport in the event of an engine failure at any point on takeoff. Correct?

As previously stated, not at just ANY point on takeoff. If an engine malfunctions during initial full-power-up you probably won't be able to get to V1 anyway, so you abort the takeoff. If the engine malfunctions after you start rolling pretty good, but before V1, you have to decide if you are close enough to V1 to continue or to abort. Nine times out of ten most pilots will abort if they lose an engine any time before V1.
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 6):
Ship 017 had some engine issue (exactly what is unknown) Swap to Ship 008

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Ship 017 the newest in the fleet?

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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:49 am

"Traffic at Newark Liberty International Airport was slightly disrupted Tuesday afternoon after the right engine of a Continental Airlines jet shattered during an aborted takeoff, sending debris flying across one of the airport's runways, officials said."

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?...cwNDYmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXky


Best I could find.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:05 am

Anyone had a chance to get some pics of what happened.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:13 am

You Gotta love those newspapers: [ THE RECORD ], for coming up with catchy headliners;
" Ruptured plane engine delays Newark airport traffic ".  ouch 

ref: http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?...cwNDYmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXky
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:19 am

That guy in the Tower certainly worked hard there, way to go.
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 45):
That guy in the Tower certainly worked hard there, way to go.

Not meaning to take away from the well-deserved compliment, but isn't ATC at a major airport usually that busy?
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:27 am

I heard the controller ask an aircraft on approach to 29 to go around soon thereafter. Sounds like that was a precaution since you can't tell immediately if the affected part of 4L is near the intersection of 29. The controller did a great job!
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:28 am

Wow. Can someone explain how the 777 is uniquely designed to cope with uncontained failues-- I read somewhere that it was the built-in design features that saved this plane. And of course the great pilots and ATC. Gotta love CO... I do.
 
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RE: CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR

Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 46):
Not meaning to take away from the well-deserved compliment, but isn't ATC at a major airport usually that busy?

Usually that busy ? Yes...just listen to the ATC feeds during any rush at any large airport like that. What makes this so special was how he kept his cool and professionalism throughout the whole thing. Just like anything in life its how you respond. Cant say the same about other ATC tapes floating around out there. **cough JFK cough**