Tangowhisky
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10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:38 pm

What is happening to airport security? So much news these days, and now this.

"The City Attorney's Office is expected to file misdemeanor theft charges against a group of screeners at Los Angeles International Airport suspected of stealing personal items from celebrities and other travelers. .......The alleged victims include hotel heiress Paris Hilton and singer Keyshia Cole......items include cartons of cigarettes, watches and jewelry"

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/s...55-ca-airport-celebritythefts.html
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting Tangowhisky (Thread starter):
What is happening to airport security?

Always a few bad apples in every industry...
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:18 am

It is not good that this seems to be happening on a regular basis. The CCTV cameras do not seem to be in the right place.

[Edited 2007-03-23 23:20:08]
 
FutureFO
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:41 am

The TSA is the problem with the country's security at the airports. Get rid of them.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:42 am

Quoting Tangowhisky (Thread starter):
What is happening to airport security?

The security is suppose to protect the passengers from each other, not the TSA! It's just another example of the government taking too much from it's people.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
Always a few bad apples in every industry...

A few!?!! We're talking about TSA, there have been more than a few in the last year.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
The TSA is the problem with the country's security at the airports. Get rid of them.

We won't be able to if they unionize!
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:51 am

Government agency cannot unionize. The government is the union. But it was a bad idea from the get go and they should have been relieved from duty 4 years ago.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:20 am

the TSA.....rent-a-cops that work for the government. I say get rid of em...theyre useless.

There are so many loopholes in the system it isnt funny, and every ramp agent knows people who steal or have stolen from bags. This doesnt include the people that steal the most...the TSA agents.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:26 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 7):
the TSA.....rent-a-cops that work for the government. I say get rid of em...theyre useless.

Remove all security? Remove all TSOs? or just remove the ineffective and unscrupulous ones like these 10 at LAX who appear to have been worse than useless?

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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:31 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 7):
the TSA.....rent-a-cops that work for the government. I say get rid of em...theyre useless.



Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
The TSA is the problem with the country's security at the airports. Get rid of them.

It's easy to scream "Get rid of them.", but what should replace them.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:49 am

Im just saying they need to be replaced. Ive worked in many facets of the aviation industry and so far ive found so many loopholes it isnt funny. Due to safety I wont say any, but they are there.

The TSA needs revamped. They need to adjust how they secure airports. Picking out "Random" (and I am very sarcastic there) people for searches the way they do doesnt cut it.

I am not an expert of security, far from it, but form my experience as a crew and other areas of Aviation, I know enough to say that something needs the change...Maybe the TSA should form an exploratory commitee of many aviation personel to brainstorm ideas...idk.


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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
The TSA is the problem with the country's security at the airports. Get rid of them.

I second that one! These are the bottom of the barrel minimum-wage morons the likes I can hardly imagine ever being hired for much more than cleaning a toilet. The statement in this case is, there are a very few good apples in this barrel.
 
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:51 am

I have been in the airline industry for 12 years and the TSA is the worst idea that was thought of. They are the problem. I had no problem and no issues with the contracted screeners prior to 9/11. When the government was thinking about re-privatizing the screening operations that was a good idea. The only airport that I have worked flights out of that has private security is ROC. They are far more efficient than the Thousands Standing Around.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:01 am

All 12 of these bad TSA agents upon convictions on sufficient charges get sentences where they have to spend a couple of years each in a tough fed jail to set an example of violators to other agents. One has to wonder what kind of employment screening is done for TSA agents and the incompentence of their managers to make sure agents are not stealing. Perhaps what they need to do is make is so workers and their bosses are swtiched around regularly as to their assignments, have TSA agents and bosses have to go through security checks too, to make sure no theft and so on.
 
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:09 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 12):
I have been in the airline industry for 12 years and the TSA is the worst idea that was thought of. They are the problem. I had no problem and no issues with the contracted screeners prior to 9/11. When the government was thinking about re-privatizing the screening operations that was a good idea. The only airport that I have worked flights out of that has private security is ROC. They are far more efficient than the Thousands Standing Around.

Are you kidding me? The people they had in place before 9-11 were even less competent than the TSA. Yes it was more efficient, but the screening was much less thorough in my opinion. The problem with privatizing in this country is that when you privatize, the work goes out to the lowest bidder, meaning the company with the lowest costs will get the work. Not only that, but these companies interests are in profits and to shareholders, and that is the problem. The problem now is that the TSA is being run by politicians trying to make themselves look like they are doing something. There was a stupid security directive that just came out about Pilot Screening, and though I won't go into details, FutureFO will probably agree with me that it is going to only make things worse.

I was a proponent of TSA long before 9-11 because I knew that these agencies employed people who couldn't speak english and didn't have a clue what they were doing. I still think its the right way to go. But they have to change some things there to make it work better. Otherwise I am convinced that it is impossible to make airport security work in this country, whether or not it is run by the government. And thats a real scary thought.
 
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:31 pm

Yes the latest SD that came out is stupid and ridiculous. There is no reason for it. Makes many pilots want to do the FFDO program to get away from the TSO's. I know in most airports that we fly to that the TSA doesn't even go through screening like us crewmembers have to.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 15):
Yes the latest SD that came out is stupid and ridiculous. There is no reason for it. Makes many pilots want to do the FFDO program to get away from the TSO's. I know in most airports that we fly to that the TSA doesn't even go through screening like us crewmembers have to.

The new SD still allows on duty crews to bypass at an airport that they are badged for, the rest of us now have to be screened.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:44 pm

TSA.... I never knew my toothpaste could explode... They really are the worst especially at looking like they're helping the cause.
 
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
The TSA is the problem with the country's security at the airports. Get rid of them.

And replace them with what? Private industry because so many people think it can do better. But wait...baggage people who rip off from luggage are private industry...obviously that's a much better way to go!?!?!? And that would only lead to the lowest cost possible....which caused problems pre 9/11. Agreed. The TSA is a big pain the rear. But for the specific screener issue, part of the problem is structuring of the job, hiring people, etc. etc.
 
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 4):
A few!?!! We're talking about TSA, there have been more than a few in the last year

Saddly true.....

Quoting Nelsonde (Reply 8):
Remove all security? Remove all TSOs? or just remove the ineffective and unscrupulous ones like these 10 at LAX who appear to have been worse than useless

I think that the TSA tries so hard to convince the traveling public that they are making flying safer, that they forget to actually make flying safer, and leave a bunch of loopholes. Unless they make major changes I would not be surprised if agents getting caught stealing things remains common.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:58 am

I think that crimes committed by federally employed law enforcement/security such as the TSA should automatically entitle them to twice the maximum sentence for the civilian crime... certainly if such a law doesn't act as a deterrent then rotten apples just stay in prison for a long, long time.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 18):
Private industry because so many people think it can do better.

The screening status is still the same as pre-9/11, the only difference is that the US Gov is boat loads of money on a system that has not changed the actual security. You can hire also anyone to look at a screen and yell at people about what they can't bring. TSA means nothing but a waste a money that could be used to fund Social Security and Medicare.

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 18):
....which caused problems pre 9/11.

What problems? The only thing I can remember is that the lines were very fast. If you're talking about the events of 9/11 you're totally talking BS. The US Gov couldn't keep tabs on these people and didn't bother to have a system in place to track suspected people. The items used on 9/11 to attack the pilots were legal items to have in a cabin, that was the biggest loophole and oh yeah, pre 9/11 luggage was never screened for explosives, thats not a private contractor's fault, it's the US Gov's problem for not putting that into place even though airliners were getting blown up for the last 50 years.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 14):
Yes it was more efficient, but the screening was much less thorough in my opinion.

That is only because the US Gov. never said that they had to look for these added items of travel today.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 14):
but these companies interests are in profits and to shareholders,

That's nothing new when it comes to airports and airlines, it's all about the money and shareholders, never about the general public that are their customers. TSA is all about TSA, no one else. No one in the US Gov will question TSA about issues because they just assume that what they say is why they're getting paid to do that job.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:26 am

Please direct your anger towards the terrorists, the terrorist groups, the "religious" organizations around the world who support and pay for them, not towards the individuals at the TSA who are trying to make the best of a bad situation.
 
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:33 am

I cannot believe the reply from Azstar. To beleive that the TSA employess are entitled to pilfer and steal because of the terrorists is unbeleivable
 
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 15):
I know in most airports that we fly to that the TSA doesn't even go through screening like us crewmembers have to.

Not to TSA bash, but I've seen the same thing with TSA emps going around the magnometers to head to their duty station at another check point, and not the one they just bypassed.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 16):
The new SD still allows on duty crews to bypass at an airport that they are badged for, the rest of us now have to be screened.

My only issue with the SD is the fact that a crew member that goes off duty from one flight to catch another flight off duty (connecting flight at at hub) and in uniform, needs to go back out of the sterile area and through security again. I'm sure I read it correctly, but if I'm mistaken please let me know.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 20):
I think that crimes committed by federally employed law enforcement/security such as the TSA should automatically entitle them to twice the maximum sentence for the civilian crime... certainly if such a law doesn't act as a deterrent then rotten apples just stay in prison for a long, long time.

I have to agree with that.

Quoting Azstar (Reply 22):
Please direct your anger towards the terrorists, the terrorist groups, the "religious" organizations around the world who support and pay for them, not towards the individuals at the TSA who are trying to make the best of a bad situation.

I'm thinking the anger is towards the 12 (that we know of) TSA personnel who are going through the same luggage they are supposed to screen and protect.

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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:08 am

Been reading and listening to all thie TSA bashing for years now. Remember which country we live in. There is so much political correctness that the TSA couldn't really be expected to do the job they are tasked with. It would be better if we could worry about finding the BOMBER rather than the bomb. But that would require, dare I say it, "profiling". Building a data base of likely terrorists, their traits, etc. But you know the ACLU and other "civil liberty" groups and their lawyers would have a field day. If you are worried about a Middle East looking individual, LOOK for a Middle East type person. Same goes for a White, Black, Mexican, etc. So, instead of finding the likely bomber, we have to find his weapon. Remember, a few years ago, in New York a man shot his wife while they were in his car. He told police that a Black man tried to car-jack them. When the police started looking for Black men who matched the phoney description given to them, everyone cried "racist pigs, just looking for Blacks". Well, duh, that is who they thought they were looking for. Why stop a little grey haired grandmother if you are looking for a 6 foot tall Black. Same applies to TSA. Physical appearance is not a factor. But quite often, it really is.

And as earlier said. In every group of folks, there will be some bad ones. Ever wonder why lockers in police stations have locks on them? Same story.

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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:13 am

I'm not defending thieves. What I meant was the majority of the TSA employees are just trying to do their job, and the "bad situation" is the fact that we have to have security at all. Once again we need to focus on what and who created the situation in the first place. It wasn't TSA employees!
 
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:50 am

Tendering TSA's functions to private sector is as bad an idea as tendering the police functions to the private sector. As it was said above, the private sector is there to make a profit and make investors happy. The police are better paid, and better trained. I do not know for a fact, but I would tend to believe that the training and pay at the TSA are not that motivating, and therefore turnover and quality of personnel is below par if for example compared to police work. I would be perfectly happy to put up with today's hassles if I knew that the TSA are on course to improve their duties. One way I believe they can accomplish is to hire retired police officers who all have a past and a record (of not being a bad apple), the salary would not be their only income, but part of their overall income (assuming they are on pension), they have lots of experience in sniffing out criminals from ordinary people, and can offer input to continually improve the system and process.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:18 am

Pay crap and ye shall receive the same back.
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:55 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
All 12 of these bad TSA agents upon convictions on sufficient charges get sentences where they have to spend a couple of years each in a tough fed jail to set an example of violators to other agents.

Since they have been charged only with misdemeanors, it's not likely they will spend much time in jail at all. A misdemeanor is punishible by up to one year in a County jail and/or a fine.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 20):
I think that crimes committed by federally employed law enforcement/security such as the TSA should automatically entitle them to twice the maximum sentence for the civilian crime... certainly if such a law doesn't act as a deterrent then rotten apples just stay in prison for a long, long time.

I, for one, don't understand why they were charged with a misdemeanor rather than a Felony. I'm not familiar with California law, but certainly there must be a criminal offense to cover Official Misconduct. I suppose it would depend on just what authority TSU screeners have. Is it possible they are not considered Law Enforcement Officers?
 
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 21):
The items used on 9/11 to attack the pilots were legal items to have in a cabin, that was the biggest loophole and oh yeah, pre 9/11 luggage was never screened for explosives, thats not a private contractor's fault, it's the US Gov's problem for not putting that into place even though airliners were getting blown up for the last 50 years.

Oh how many times have I said this exact statement to people over and over and over and over??????
Too many times......
Being once trained as a Ground Security Co-Ordinator for Great Lakes Airlines (and my immediate boss being the Regional Security Trainer for Great Lakes at the time, I was quite aware that EVERYTHING that the 9/11 hijackers took aboard those planes was indeed ALLOWED on the plane by the FAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And yes, NONE of the Checked Baggage was screened.......Only the carryon bags that went with the passengers were screened....And we had to do it with no Ex-Ray mahcine....Imagine having to dig around a person's carry-on....esp with icky dirty clothes.....
I once attempted to take a small pocket knife from a passenger but another employee stopped me....
However, I did have to take Pepper Spray from a passenger....We help it in our station until she returned and gave it back to her.
I'm sorry but our own Federal Govt. is to blame for us having to go thru the terror of 9/11.....Its the ultimate coffin mentality of the FAA.....
I am sure there are many legit TSA agents that take their jobs seriously and do a fine job at it. However, if the ones that are doing their jobs correctly and honestly, dont urge their comrads to do the same or hold each other to statndard that is worthy of e Government job,. then they should all be fired.....
I am so trtied of reading about screeners that get busted for stealing, they screeners are just as important to travellers as are the pilots and dispatchers at the airlines for the safety of all travellers. Just like a dispatcher they should be held legally and morally rersponsible for anything they screw up with.
Unfortunately all you have to do is pass a piss test and prove that you have not filed for bankruptcy or had a felony in the past 10 years.
So why isnt there some sort of morality test, Of course, what would keep people from lying on that????
I think it should be zero tolerance for stealing as a TSA employee....Plain and simple.

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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:11 am

Maybe there should be Closed circuit TV throughout the areas and this would certainly stop most pilfering as it would be easy to prove in court that " you were seen".
 
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RE: 10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX

Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 31):
Maybe there should be Closed circuit TV throughout the areas and this would certainly stop most pilfering as it would be easy to prove in court that " you were seen".

But who would be in charge of that? TSA or the airport police? But can't people just stop stealing stuff from people and take some kind of professionalism to heart.
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