easyas321
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Zoom To Australia?

Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:23 pm

just heard that Zoom are apparently looking to start flying to Australia soon. Anyone out there have anymore info.

Maybe they won't fly the obvious YVR/SYD/YVR route, although Air Canada's new fares from OZ to Canada have gone up significantly eg. nearly AUD$300 return increase year to year in economy (cheapest peak season).

I guess Air Canada have got to pay for new 777's some how.

Zoom will surely do very well over something like old Canada 3000 route, even if they had to make a stop between YVR & BNE (not necessarily HNL).

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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:11 pm

Where did you hear this mate?

Would be interesting... if true, looks like the Canada - South Pacific option getting another new choice...
 
easyas321
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:12 pm

from a tour operator who's apparently been talking to them.

Apparently only question is when & how many flights per week.
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting Easyas321 (Thread starter):
Maybe they won't fly the obvious YVR/SYD/YVR route, although Air Canada's new fares from OZ to Canada have gone up significantly eg. nearly AUD$300 return increase year to year in economy (cheapest peak season).

Well because of the current bi-lateral they can only go thru SFO & HNL & NAN between Canada & Oz, so I don't know that they can be that inovative.

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easyas321
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:23 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
Well because of the current bi-lateral they can only go thru SFO & HNL & NAN between Canada & Oz, so I don't know that they can be that inovative.

Apparently they've considered going nonstop ??? Can a 763ER fly YVR/BNE nonstop? (fully loaded with passngers, but with little or no freight)
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 4):
Apparently they've considered going nonstop ??? Can a 763ER fly YVR/BNE nonstop? (fully loaded with passngers, but with little or no freight)

No
 
falcon7x
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:10 am

If it was done they could use the old C3 routing of YVR-NAN-SYD or BNE.
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 2):
rom a tour operator who's apparently been talking to them.

Apparently only question is when & how many flights per week.

The service would have to be one stop from either YYZ or YVR. Such a service would be an ideal way of better utilising their fleet in the northern winter.
How about YYZ-HNL-SYD ? IN the days of CP there was quite reasonable YYZ-HNL traffic , I would expect that the potential traffic has improved since then.
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:35 am

How Zoom goes to BNE by anuary som how as I might be headings down thee in Jan and Would probable use them over a major if the price is right.
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 7):

The service would have to be one stop from either YYZ or YVR. Such a service would be an ideal way of better utilising their fleet in the northern winter.
How about YYZ-HNL-SYD ? IN the days of CP there was quite reasonable YYZ-HNL traffic , I would expect that the potential traffic has improved since then.

It will be interesting to see what routing they choose. There are challenges with Honolulu if you are running just one flight out from Toronto. If you fill the plane with Canada-Australia traffic, better to explore a cheaper tech stop than HNL. If you take significant YYZ-HNL traffic, you have to replace it with significant HNL-SYD traffic or you will have costly traffic imbalances. By flying through HNL, you have to charge C$27 in US taxes, put people through two customs checks instead of one, and subject some travellers to the necessity of getting a US transit visa. In other words, all the things that people find attractive about the new AC YVR-SYD nonstop, things they are eager to leave behind, would be resurrected on a Zoom flight via HNL. NAN might be more practical - it gets around these disadvantages. But YYZ-NAN is well beyond the range of a 767-300.

[Edited 2007-03-25 22:36:23]
 
easyas321
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting Accargo (Reply 5):
Can a 763ER fly YVR/BNE nonstop? (fully loaded with passngers, but with little or no freight)

No

Apparently they were talking YVR/BNE nonstop. What maximum passengers could they carry assuming no freight?
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 10):

Apparently they were talking YVR/BNE nonstop. What maximum passengers could they carry assuming no freight?

Not enough to make money. Considering that there are payload-restricted 763 routes a thousand miles shorter than YVR-BNE, I wouldn't bet on a compensatory load factor except at very un-Zoom-like prices.
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:45 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 11):
Not enough to make money. Considering that there are payload-restricted 763 routes a thousand miles shorter than YVR-BNE, I wouldn't bet on a compensatory load factor except at very un-Zoom-like prices.

or could they mean BNE/YVR nonstop & YVR/BNE with a stop, like AC used to do with A340 SYD/YVR/HNL/SYD ?
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:01 am

I'd love to see AC offer a BNE-HNL-YVR service, even if it were only seasonal, to transport Skiiers from Queensland to Canada (probably make no money though - better to get all pax to go to SYD and connect to AC there).

Although, it would be great to have a year-round BNE-HNL and BNE-YVR service to transport people from QLD to Canada/Hawaii and to bring people from Canada to beautiful Queensland  Wink

Cheers
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 13):
I'd love to see AC offer a BNE-HNL-YVR service, even if it were only seasonal, to transport Skiiers from Queensland to Canada (probably make no money though - better to get all pax to go to SYD and connect to AC there).

Although, it would be great to have a year-round BNE-HNL and BNE-YVR service to transport people from QLD to Canada/Hawaii and to bring people from Canada to beautiful Queensland

the Canada 3000 route in 2001, YVR/HNL/BNE/SYD/AKL/RAR/HNL/YVR (& V.V.) was incredily popular YVR/HNL/BNE & BNE/HNL/YVR, but apparently 2T were looking to drop RAR when SEP11 happened.
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 12):

or could they mean BNE/YVR nonstop & YVR/BNE with a stop, like AC used to do with A340 SYD/YVR/HNL/SYD ?

The 340-300 has a good deal more range than the 767-300, so the answer is still no.
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:20 am

Have Zoom ever considered DUB?
 
falcon7x
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:56 am

Zoom has a new ''were should we fly next'' section on their website.Its in the company info section,choices are;
-Amsterdam
-Berlin
-Brussels
-Nice
-Rio
-Rome.
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:35 am

I doubt the launch of Australia routes. Zoom does very well with their current route structure and buisness plan. I think Australia deviates from that a bit.

Quoting Falcon7x (Reply 17):

Makes sense. If Zoom is to add new routes I believe It'll be in Europe first.

I've heard some good things about Zoom and their service in flight and on the ground from freinds that have flown them. I can't wait to fly them one day.  Smile

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sebring
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:42 am

Quoting AH332 (Reply 18):
Makes sense. If Zoom is to add new routes I believe It'll be in Europe first.

I've heard some good things about Zoom and their service in flight and on the ground from freinds that have flown them. I can't wait to fly them one day.  

Cheers,

If you look at the Zoom website, they have a poll listing potential new destinations and asking people to indicate which they would like to see the airline launch next. Most are in Europe. Rio is another. None are in the South Pacific. All could be described as suitable 767-300 routes. Now, a poll like this could be a smokescreen for real intentions, or then again, it might be a reflection of the list the airline is focussing on.
 
easyas321
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting Sebring (Reply 15):
The 340-300 has a good deal more range than the 767-300, so the answer is still no.

yeh but talking YVR/BNE/YVR not the old AC route with A340 YVR/HNL/SYD/YVR, with SYD being quite a bit further from YVR than BNE.

Spoke to tour operator again today & apparently Zoom still definitely looking as OZ services but might be via tech stop at non-US port, so no silly U.S. customs & immigration nonscience to contend with.

A BNE/tech stop/YVR direct flight, sure beats a BNE/SYD(on old QF)/YVR anyday, as any advantage in nonstop, is lost in 5 (or more) extra hours added by having to go south to SYD.
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:02 pm

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 20):
but might be via tech stop at non-US port, so no silly U.S. customs & immigration nonscience to contend with.

A tech stop does not require going through US Customs and Immigration if the passengers do not deplane.
AC ran their A340 YVR-SYD westbound flight with a tech stop at HNL.; the passengers stayed aboard.
The only two options are really HNL or NAN and via NAN is about 400nm further.
I firmly believe that YYZ-SYD with a tech at HNL has strong possibilities for at least one flight a week from early December to the end of February.
 
easyas321
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:11 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 21):
I firmly believe that YYZ-SYD with a tech at HNL has strong possibilities for at least one flight a week from early December to the end of February.

Apparently looking at 2 flights per week, year round YVR/BNE.
 
yvr1968
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:29 am

Well now that Harmony has announced a suspension of all scheduled flights, this will open up another carrier to step in.
 
easyas321
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:54 pm

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 23):
Well now that Harmony has announced a suspension of all scheduled flights, this will open up another carrier to step in.

Have been away. When did this happen? They operated a lot of flights to HNL & OGG from YVR, YLW & YYC didn't they?
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:04 pm

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 24):
Have been away. When did this happen? They operated a lot of flights to HNL & OGG from YVR, YLW & YYC didn't they?

That's today's big story.

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easyas321
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:53 pm

what will FJ do now over HNL/YVR/HNL ?
 
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:08 pm

I'll believe it when I see it. Simple as that.
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easyas321
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RE: Zoom To Australia?

Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:24 pm

Quoting Cyclonic (Reply 27):
I'll believe it when I see it.

It will happen, it's just a matter of when ? Zoom is a much better operation that Jetstar will ever be (as not hamstrung but a shrinking parent) & look where they are going !!!!