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Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:28 pm

First of all, Thanks to Matt Cawby for letting us see 9W's new livery before it has been officially released to the press. I am sorry matt, but i couldnt link your photograph directly hence i had to save it and upload it to my photobucket album. I hope that is not a problem.

Anyways, As u can see in the photograph, there are a number of windows missing in the front of the new plane, can anyone enlighten me as to why they have done this? As someone from airliners-india.net mentioned, maybe its something to do with their first class section? a bar perhaps? smoking room ? (i wish) lol or just a Huge bathroom.

Comments will be appreciated.

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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:33 pm

Kitchen or bar would be my first thought. Many airlines have kitchens on one side of their aircraft, like KLM on their 747s, and plug the windows there. If a bar is there, then I don´t understand why they plugged the windows as they could be used for effect lighting.
 
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:04 am

Has anyone ever seen this before on a T7???? Or any other plane for that matter? Can someone post a picture if so.

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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:37 am

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 2):
Has anyone ever seen this before on a T7???? Or any other plane for that matter? Can someone post a picture if so.

QF and TG both have galleys behind door R2 on their 744s... some QF 744s also have a bar immediately behind door L2.
Not sure about T7s... I guess it all depends on the config with galleys/bars etc
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
Not sure about T7s... I guess it all depends on the config with galleys/bars etc

My guess would be a very exclusive F section behind door 1 (8 pods?), then using the space behind F and ahead of door 2 for galleys, lavs, and such, so that the J pax cabin starts directly on the aft side of door 2. Many airlines will "wrap" door 2 with lavs and galleys, but there is no rule saying you must do it that way, and it can split up the J section into two pieces if you do that if your F is small. 9W may have decided on a different solution.
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 2):
Or any other plane for that matter? Can someone post a picture if so

Check this Garuda 744. Almost a whole section of windows missing:


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However, on the other side of the aircraft, there is a full set:


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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:03 am

Seems to be a shortage of aircraft windows in general  Wink


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Anyway, Jet Airways has a nice new livery for the 77W, unlike AC with their toothpaste-livery. We have also seen Air India, so are there any new 777 liveries coming in the next time? JJ, PR and DJ are still far away, I believe, so anything coming sooner?
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:56 am

KL's 747 have their galleys on the left side.


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GA and KL are actually the only operators that use this kind of config today.
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 7):
KL's 747 have their galleys on the left side.

Don't you mean the right?

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 7):
GA and KL are actually the only operators that use this kind of config today.

Along with QF if I'm not mistaken. They also have a galley on the right side of some of their 744's.

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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 8):
Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 7):
KL's 747 have their galleys on the left side.

Don't you mean the right?

Actually, there is no such term as "right" in the aeronautical world, it's called "starboard". And for the left side it's "port"! But yes that 747 has the same galley config as the Garuda 744, and this is most likely the same situation on the Jet 77W.
 
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:34 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 6):
Seems to be a shortage of aircraft windows in general

The A345 pictured has 11 windows for 3 rows of F, which is normal. The "facilities" flank door 2 in this setup.

The Jet picture has 8 windows, 1 looks closed, though it could be blocked off, either way, it's 8. That corresponds to 2 rows of F. And that leaves room for the facilities all be forward of door 2, or to add even more lavs around door 2 (6)?
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting TradewindL1011 (Reply 9):
Actually, there is no such term as "right" in the aeronautical world, it's called "starboard".

Hah, you must not work in the "aeronautical world."

We use left, right, fore, and aft quite regularly. These things are always referenced from the pilot's seated point of view- engines 1 & 2 being on the 'left' wing.
Nobody I know uses the antequated 'port' and 'starboard' except for me, and I quit because I got too many odd looks.

Anyhow, on to the topic, weird that they're missing THAT many windows. Isn't Jet a low-cost carrier? Odd that they'd have such a full lounge/galley/whatever if they're low cost, isnt' it?
 
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 8):
Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 7):
KL's 747 have their galleys on the left side.

Don't you mean the right?

Umm...
yes.  Wink
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:38 am

Thai Airways has side galleys on their 747-400s as well.
 
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 6):
Seems to be a shortage of aircraft windows in general Wink


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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 7):
GA and KL are actually the only operators that use this kind of config today.

Pretty sure those GA birds are ex KL.

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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 15):
Pretty sure those GA birds are ex KL.

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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:20 am

What was the purpose of having the galleys on one side of the cabin rather than in the middle? I would hate being seated near such a huge galley...with windows only on one side......!
Middle seats are anyway the most unpopular, so I think it's better to suppress some of them for the gally rather than window/side seats.
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:34 am

that livery of 9W is beautiful... I love it...
 
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:51 am

So is there a website that posts the seating chart for Jet Airways?? That would solve this mystery. Or, somebody flying the darn plane.
 
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:20 pm

Quoting TradewindL1011 (Reply 9):
Actually, there is no such term as "right" in the aeronautical world, it's called "starboard". And for the left side it's "port"!

um actually left and right is used all the time.... officially doors on a 747 are known as L1, L2...L5, and R1,R2...R5, and UDL and UDR. When describing the wings it may often be refered to as the port wing or starboard wing but not in the fuselage.

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 17):
What was the purpose of having the galleys on one side of the cabin rather than in the middle? I would hate being seated near such a huge galley...with windows only on one side......!
Middle seats are anyway the most unpopular, so I think it's better to suppress some of them for the gally rather than window/side seats.

Most aircraft have their servicing done from the RHS of the aircraft. Doors 4 galleys are just about always located centrally. Doors 2 galleys are often located on the right however... this is often due to config issues but mostly because of the stairs to the Upper Deck being next to the LHS aisle. There is a bulk head that runs under the stairs past the ISM/CSM/FSM/ISD/Purser station and then across to the RHS aisle. The pax on the left don't see the galley or get the noise. In some 744s there are additionally a bar and lavs on the LHS so there is actually a whole block behind doors 2 that is not used by pax.
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:09 pm

Quoting Deaphen (Thread starter):
9W's new livery before it has been officially released to the press

Not released to the public yet huh......how about giving it to the local Indian papers?

That livery looks nice, especially the orange and yellow
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 11):
Anyhow, on to the topic, weird that they're missing THAT many windows. Isn't Jet a low-cost carrier? Odd that they'd have such a full lounge/galley/whatever if they're low cost, isnt' it?

Jey Airways (9W) is not a low cost carrier, its a full service airline. Infact its so good that i am hoping that it surpasses AI someday.

Check out their webiste www.jetairways.com.

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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:30 pm

any pics of the interior?
 
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:02 pm

Quoting A380US (Reply 14):
it seems as those etihad aircraft the windows are just closed

Then show me a picture where they are open. I f you look at the above picture in reply 6, you see the one just before the 2nd door is a closed window, you see glass and then something behind that glass. The ones before are permanently closed, there is no glass, despite there being something that looks like the shape of a window. I guess you could change it into a window when needed, but currently there isn't one.
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:02 pm

Now that we are in the subject of windows, I have always wondered how they do it? do they paint the window over or do they put a cover on the outside or inside of the window? can the process be reversed when they sell/return the aircaft and is given to a new operator?

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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:41 pm

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 25):
Now that we are in the subject of windows, I have always wondered how they do it? do they paint the window over or do they put a cover on the outside or inside of the window? can the process be reversed when they sell/return the aircaft and is given to a new operator?

Depends on what aircraft and how long it is going to be like that etc... but for many aircraft the window is removed and replaced with a piece of aluminium... works out to be lighter etc and that of course saves fuel. It is reversable but I'm guessing in many circumstances that would be quite expensive (ie returning a freighter back into a pax aircraft).
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RE: Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 20):
Most aircraft have their servicing done from the RHS of the aircraft. Doors 4 galleys are just about always located centrally. Doors 2 galleys are often located on the right however... this is often due to config issues but mostly because of the stairs to the Upper Deck being next to the LHS aisle. There is a bulk head that runs under the stairs past the ISM/CSM/FSM/ISD/Purser station and then across to the RHS aisle. The pax on the left don't see the galley or get the noise. In some 744s there are additionally a bar and lavs on the LHS so there is actually a whole block behind doors 2 that is not used by pax.

Thanks for this detailed answer! although I don't understand all the technical wording (LHS, RHS, ISM/CSM/FSM/ISD...  Smile ) I see the picture....

And if in that whole section there are no pax but a bar or something like that, it sounds really great...but I have the feeling that would constitute an important loss of seats, no?
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