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US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:05 pm

Just wondering what routes these airlines flew back in the day, before air traffic between the US and Mexico grew to where it is today. Thanx for any info....
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:07 pm

TWA:

JFK-MSY-MEX

STL-MEX/PVR/ZIH/CZM/CUN

BOS: CUN

JFK: CUN/CZM

at various times, some were seasonal
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:21 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):

Thanx, I assume it was a combination of MD80s and 757s.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:34 pm

Pan Am flew LON-IAH-MEX I believe or it was JFK-IAH-MEX one of the two -- I forget, and it was on a 747 or L15.
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:48 pm

When I was at EA I remember working JFK/ACA. I think it was on an L10 although it may have been an A300. Also, I think we had some service to Mexico from ATL when I was based there.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:09 am

Pan Am had the following network out of Mexico, during the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s:

MEX-HOU with DC-6, DC-7, DC-8, 720, 707
MEX-IAH with 707, 747
MEX-MIA with 707, 747
MEX-JFK with 747, DC-10, L15
MEX-GUA with 707
MEX-LAX with 727
MID-MIA with 707, 720
MID-GUA with 707

Note: The peak of PA´s ops at MEX were from 1979 to 1985, when the carrier had up to 12 daily operations to different destinations with so many wonderful and different types of aircraft.

Pan Am, occasionally, had flights to MCO and also extended the " Banana Split " flight, as it used to be called among Pan Am employees in Mexico, to SJO and PTY.

I miss my first flight ever, on a Pan American DC-6B, of course.

Pan Am, what a wonderful and fine airline during those fabulous sixties !!!

Best regards

P.S. Juventus, thanks for bringing good memories to my Saturday !
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:10 am

Back in the mid-sixties Eastern had a nonstop from Mexico City to New Orleans.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting Xa744 (Reply 5):
Pan Am had the following network out of Mexico, during the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s:

MEX-HOU with DC-6, DC-7, DC-8, 720, 707
MEX-IAH with 707, 747
MEX-MIA with 707, 747
MEX-JFK with 747, DC-10, L15
MEX-GUA with 707
MEX-LAX with 727
MID-MIA with 707, 720
MID-GUA with 707

MEX-GUA? is that a typo, did you mean MEX-GDL???
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
MEX-GUA? is that a typo, did you mean MEX-GDL???

Not at all sir, Pan Am had a very important operation to Guatemala City from both MEX and MID.

The MEX-GUA and sometimes the MEX-GUA-SJO-PTY had pretty high load factors throughout the year.

Pan Am was the dominant carrier to Central America, as there was no Mexicana yet, and Aviateca, TACA and Lacsa ops were limited out of MEX.

Best regards

P.S. Pan Am never flew to Guadalajara.
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:36 am

Eastern:

JFK-Mexico City-Acapulco
MIA-Mexico City
MIA-Cancun
ATL-Cancun
ATL-Mexico City
New Orleans-Cancun

Eastern also flew to Merida, not sure from where. I think Eastern also flew Texas to Mexico City, either IAH, Corpus Christi or San Antonio.
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 4):
When I was at EA I remember working JFK/ACA. I think it was on an L10 although it may have bee

JFK-MEX-ACA was an L10, been on that flight around 83 or 84.
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:02 am

In Aug of 1970 I flew on a PA 720 flight 502 which was a Saturday only frequency that originated at VCP then GIG, BSB, PTY, GUA, MEX, and finally IAH. You had the option of changing at PTY to fly on to LAX and SFO.

PA also flew MEX-TPA-MIA during the 70s before deregulation and during the 60s there was also a Merida-MSY flight.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting GregQuinn (Reply 6):
Back in the mid-sixties Eastern had a nonstop from Mexico City to New Orleans.

That one actually lasted until the late 80's if I'm not mistaken, along with MSY-CUN. My parents flew them on MSY-CUN in '88 on a 72S.

Ah, the good old days. Sorely missed.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
JFK-MSY-MEX

Yep, flown with an MD-83, flights 708/709.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:32 am

Eastern's JFK-MEX-ACA route later became a 757 before being dropped entirely. I think the route went to Continental for a while during the Texas Air deal. I believe Continental even flew Eastern Mexico routes from ATL as well.

For a brief spell, Eastern flew to Merida from TPA.
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:41 am

PA also flew to MTY with a daily service to MIA. IIRC it was a 727 in the late 80s.
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
Eastern also flew to Merida, not sure from where.

Routings to/from Merida in Eastern's timetable dated January 12, 1981,

EA065 JFK-MSY-MID
EA959 MIA-MID
EA995 PHL-ATL-CUN-MID

EA990 MID-CUN-ATL-PHL
EA956 MID-MIA
EA062 MID-MSY-JFK

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
I think Eastern also flew Texas to Mexico City, either IAH, Corpus Christi or San Antonio.

No non-stop or direct flights between MEX and Texas in the above-referenced Eastern timetable, although another as-yet-unmentioned service found was,

EA902 MEX-TPA-MCO
EA903 MCO-TPA-MEX
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:52 am

One interesting thing about Merida, Eastern during the '80s and up until they closed shop in '91 had this Brown wall paper around their gate areas and behind some ticket counters which listed where they flew. I remember reading Merida all the time and knowing that at that moment they were not flying to Merida.
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
One interesting thing about Merida, Eastern during the '80s and up until they closed shop in '91 had this Brown wall paper around their gate areas and behind some ticket counters which listed where they flew. I remember reading Merida all the time and knowing that at that moment they were not flying to Merida.

Looks like back in the day, Merida and Acapulco had more service than Cabo and Puerto Vallarta...
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:11 am

PanAm once had a sizeable domestic operation within Mexico, operated by not one (1), but two (2) of its many world-wide subsidiaries.

One airline was owned at 100% outright, the other a 40% interest was maintained.

First. Owned completely by PanAm was CMA (Compania Mexicana de Aviacion) or later; Mexicana, sold to Mexican interests in 1968.

CMA flew most of the major routes of the time, I will list just a few of the bigger ones.

Los Angeles-Mexicali-Hermosillo-Mazatlan-Durango-Leon-Mexico City
Nogales-Hermosillo-Ciudad Obregon-Los Mochis-Culican-Mazatlan
Juarez-Chihuahua-Parral-Torreon-Durango
Brownsville-Tampico-Tuxpan-Veracruz-San Jeronimo-Tapachula-Guatemala City
Miami-Havana-Cozumel-Merida-Belize-Puerto Barrios-Guatemala City
Merida-Campeche-Carmen-Villahermosa-Minatitlan-Veracruz-Mexico City

The other airline PanAm had involvement with was Aeronaves de Mexico which came along in the 30's.
"La Tripa", (as Juan Trippe was known in Mexico quite derogatorially) bought 40% in 1940, after he could not help but notice the overwhelming success of their singular route; Acapulco-Mexico City.
At the time, Acapulco was a sleepy little seaside town, with some awe-inspiring beaches....

The government of President Aleman, not liking La Tripa's airline influence in his country, forced a merger between Aeronaves de Mexico and 2 other smaller airlines in the 50s, squeezing out the American to produce a true competitor to the wholy-owned CMA, which was eventually sold off in bits and pieces, being finally gone by the late 60's. (One of those airlines Aeronaves de Mexico merged with was LAMSA, which could trace it's history back to United Airlines...a partnership which never worked because United could never gain the domestic route authority in the US to link up the two airlines as PanAm had done in Miami, Los Angeles, and Houston)

As a side note, PanAm has had a hand in many airlines of the world; it's interest ranging from 30% to 100%, no corner of the globe untouched: Ariana Afghan, Panair do Brasil, LACSA (Costa Rica), LANICA (Nicaragua), SAHSA (Honduras), COPA (Panama), AVENSA (Venezuela), Aeronaves de Mexico, Cubana, SCADTA (later to become AVIANCA), Peruvian Airways, West Indian (Dom. Rep.), AVIATECA (Guatemala), MEA (Lebanon), Philippine Airlines, CNAC (China National Air Corp/CAAC/Air China), Pacific Alaska, Alaska Southern, Bahamas Airways (Sold to BSAA, British South American Airways-BOAC), Chilean Airways

PanAm's own routes to Mexico began with a flight from Brownsville, TX to Mexico City, that continued on for points south; Guatemala City, Panama City, Cali, Guayaquil, Lima, Antofagasto, Santiago, Cordoba, and finally Buenos Aires.

The other route to Mexico City began in Miami, stopping in Havana and Merida along the way.

By the 1970s, PanAm was operating daily 707 nonstops to Houston, Tampa, and Guatemala City. By the 80's, Houston was double daily, the 707 replaced by the 727 and the added 747 which continued on for JFK.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
I think Eastern also flew Texas to Mexico City, either IAH, Corpus Christi or San Antonio.

I cannot find any record of that....Eastern began service to Mexico from New Orleans.

The airlines that flew from Texas to Mexico were originally American, Braniff, and Texas International.

One of the very first routes Braniff utilized their newly arrived (and special-ordered*) 707s on was ORD-DAL-SAT-MEX...and sometimes ACA.
Later, nonstops were added to both MEX and ACA from DAL (DFW)

American had a similar history.

Texas International's Mexico service was initially from the Rio Grande Valley, to Veracruz and Tampico, but not to Mexico City, that came later.

Continental's FIRST try at the Mexico market was actually not from Houston, but rather El Paso....when they couldn't make the routes work, Frontier gave it shot...which were two-stop flights from their Denver hub, the other stop being Albuquerque.

*Boeing built a special version of the 707, as they did for QANTAS with the more famous -138.

The -220 was extermally identical to the -120 except for the engines...instead of the standard-issue JT3C, the -220 had the much more powerful JT4A-3...which was also used in such military aircraft as the Republic F-105, Convair F-106, and Lockheed U-2.

The 707-220, of which only 5 were built, (all for Braniff) had an increase in thrust from the original 13,500lbs, to 15,800lbs. (Of course, the -220 became redundant when the -120B came out...which had 17,000lbs of thrust per engine....but Braniff needed a hot rod, and they needed it yesterday!) The -220s did not last long in the Braniff fleet, the long-haul duties being taken over by the DC-8.

The -220's MTOW was 10,000lbs less than the -120, from 128.5 tons to 123.5 tons.
But, Max Range was the same, but Initial Rate of Climb doubled, and the runway needed for takeoff was reduced from about 10,000 feet to around 8,000ft, or around 20% (Hard for an absolute answer on that because of altitude.....but they needed every inch at MEX)
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:15 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 18):
The -220's MTOW was 10,000lbs less than the -120, from 128.5 tons to 123.5 tons.

Zat maybe backwards? The -120 started out at 247,000 lb MTOW.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:45 am

Quoting Bluemeatball (Reply 11):
PA also flew MEX-TPA

PA resumed MEX-TPA after their merger with NA, flying DC10's on the route, then I think down to 727 before dropping it. They did not operate this in Spring/Summer 1980, I think they picked it up for a while later, but it didn't last long.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 15):

EA902 MEX-TPA-MCO
EA903 MCO-TPA-MEX

My hazy memory is that this only existed during the brief intervening time between PA flying it with 707's in the 70's and again after swallowing up NA in the 80's -- something about PA having permanent rights that EA could only use if PA declined to use them?
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:50 am

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19640225-0&lang=en

Unfortunately, I know this route existed because of the loss of this DC-8 - MEX-MSY-ATL-DC-NYC.
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:34 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):


Thanx, I assume it was a combination of MD80s and 757s.

IIRC, yes. I think the 727's were gone by the time TWA started Mexican flights, though they might have been used STL-CUN, can't verify that.

The DC-9's never operated the routes, nor did the 717's.
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:52 am

Quoting XA744 (Reply 8):
P.S. Pan Am never flew to Guadalajara.

I believe they did (or it was in conjunction with one of the partners Stirling described above). I've an old hand-typed itinerary from a trip one of my great aunt and uncles took to Mexico that had some Pan Am flights on it. I'll have to look it up. In the meantime, Pan Am in the Americas circa 1940:

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%20and%20Maps/Pan%20Am%20Compressed/PA1940map.jpg
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:04 am

I think Pan Am flew SAT-MEX in the late 80's or very early 90's before they went out of business. I remember seeing a Pan Am 727 at the customs gate in SAT many times and I always assumed it was a MEX flight. I could be wrong though.
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:09 am

Quoting Jimbo83 (Reply 24):
I remember seeing a Pan Am 727 at the customs gate in SAT many times and I always assumed it was a MEX flight.

I'm fairly certain that the PA 72S you saw was operating the scheduled SAT-MSY-JFK service (which directly competed with TW...same routing, same aircraft) in late '88 and into '89. I don't think PA ever flew SAT-MEX.
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:11 pm

[quote=STT757,reply=9]Pan Am was the dominant carrier to Central America, as there was no Mexicana yet, and Aviateca, TACA and Lacsa ops were limited out of MEX.

I would like to add that Pan Am flew LAX-GUA-SAL-MIA and MIA-SAL-GUA-LAX route. I flew to Guatemala City from LAX in December of 1990.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:41 pm

I just did some research and Eastern did, in fact, fly nonstop from SAT to MEX throughout the mid 1980's. Also, it appears the JFK-MEX/ACA route ended in either very late 1986 or January of 1987. Continental took over the JFK-Mexico City portion. At that time this, and a nonstop flight to HNL, were Continental's only flights to JFK.
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:24 pm

Quoting 3201 (Reply 20):
PA resumed MEX-TPA after their merger with NA, flying DC10's on the route,

I show PA fairly consistent on the run before, during and after the merger. First with the 707, then 727.

Quoting Timz (Reply 19):
Zat maybe backwards? The -120 started out at 247,000 lb MTOW.

The 707 Bible I have by Stewart Wilson shows the -120 at 257K, the -120B at 257k, the 720 at 229k, the 720B at 234k, and the -138 at 247k.

Quoting Cody (Reply 27):
I just did some research and Eastern did, in fact, fly nonstop from SAT to MEX throughout the mid 1980's.

You are absolutely right, it totally slipped my mind.
I think they got their hands on it after Braniff ver. 1 went T.U...along with the rest of the South American routes.
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Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting GregQuinn (Reply 6):
is that a typo, did you mean MEX-GDL???

Juventus,

That is not a typo. As far as I can remember (I myself flew the route with my parents in July 1967), Pan American flew a 2-weekly (among others) San Francisco-Los Angeles-Mexico City-Guatemala-Panama-Barranquilla-Maracaibo-Caracas 720B service from February 1962 till at least the Spring of 1970.
I boarded the flight at LAX and ended in Maracaibo which was the place where my parents lived for a few years before returning to Spain. Being barely 11 then, I was passionately in love with civilian planes and airports already and we chose this milk-round flight (alternative then was a LAX-MSY with National and then a MSY-MAR with VIASA) so I could see the airports !! I pay tribute to my loving parents for such an accommodating mood !!

Greetings from Cancún !
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:50 am

SAT operations for EA and PA


EA did have a SAT-MEX flight. Then CO took over the route.

PA did fly SAT. Not to MEX. They gave SAT-MSY-JFK a try.


Braniff flew SAT - ACA ? early 80's any body help on Braniff's flight out of SAT.
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:51 am

Quoting Civilav (Reply 29):

Thanx for the info Civilav ( se agradece)
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting Cody (Reply 27):
I just did some research and Eastern did, in fact, fly nonstop from SAT to MEX throughout the mid 1980's.

You are absolutely right, it totally slipped my mind.
I think they got their hands on it after Braniff ver. 1 went T.U...along with the rest of the South American routes.

EA was also granted Braniff's DFW-MEX route on an emergency basis and it was flown for a few weeks then transferred to CO for a short while until dropped. The DFW-MEX route never made it into the timetables.
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting BinMonster (Reply 30):
Braniff flew SAT - ACA ? early 80's any body help on Braniff's flight out of SAT.

Well it went back farther than that...I can trace it back to the 60's, on a DC-7, then 707.
San Antonion for a time was the only Mexico gateway Braniff had for a while.

I'll check on the 80's evidence of the route later.....
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:41 am

Eastern 1982:
http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%20and%20Maps/Eastern2005/EAmap8208-1.jpg

PanAm 1986:
http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%20and%20Maps/Pan%20Am%20Compressed/PAmap%20COMP8602.jpg

TWA 2000:
http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%20and%20Maps/TWA%20Compressed/TWmap0012.jpg

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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:45 am

I'm glad that Cody and BinMonster both cleared up the SAT - Mexico operations and confirmed that EA did fly SAT-MEX. Other airlines that have operated the route are Braniff, American, Continental, and Continental Express. Currently on the route are both MX and AM.

MX also has operated at various times MTY and GDL from SAT.

AeroMar operated a SAT-SLP weekly service with an ATR up until a year or two ago.
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:07 pm

Quoting BinMonster (Reply 30):
Braniff flew SAT - ACA ? early 80's any body help on Braniff's flight out of SAT.



Quoting Stirling (Reply 33):
Well it went back farther than that...I can trace it back to the 60's, on a DC-7, then 707.
San Antonion for a time was the only Mexico gateway Braniff had for a while.

San Antonio was BN's only gateway to Mexico in 1963. A single 707 round trip per day SAT-MEX. One way First class fare was $54.00. One way coach was $42.00.

In March 1969 SAT was still BN's only gateway, with non-stop service to MEX and ACA. All 707s.

In 1976 BN flew ACA to DFW and ACA to Houston. No SAT-ACA service. MEX was served from SAT and DFW.

In 1982 when BN went bankrupt they served only MEX nonstop from both SAT and DFW.

In 1980 BN flew Mexico City non-stop to Bogota, Columbia once a week.
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:41 pm

I still need some help with the Braniff SAT - ACA

I beluve it was Braniff II, since they were flying 727's. Red White and Blue paint.

1984 or 1985
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:51 pm

"http://dotlibrary1.specialcollection.net/scripts/ws.dll?websearch&site=dot_orders" This shows the EA SAT/DFW-MEX/ACA flights although EA never flew DFW-ACA.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:01 pm

I believe TW flew the LAX-MEX route in the mid-70's. I think it was a 707 when I flew it.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:42 am

Quoting BinMonster (Reply 37):
I still need some help with the Braniff SAT - ACA

Checked OAGs for 2-4-8-10 1984 and 3-5-10 1985, and 2/86-- the only direct SAT-ACA flights were MX 1-stops or 2-stops.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:45 am

Quoting BinMonster (Reply 37):
still need some help with the Braniff SAT - ACA

Yes Braniff flew DFW-MEX-ACA. I just looked at their former route map. Their Latin network was strong in South America, but in Mexico and Central America.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:30 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
Eastern:

JFK-Mexico City-Acapulco
MIA-Mexico City
MIA-Cancun
ATL-Cancun
ATL-Mexico City
New Orleans-Cancun

Didn't EA drop Mexico due to some strike there?
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:34 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
TWA:

JFK-MSY-MEX

You sure about that? I lived in New Orleans when TWA started service to the city and don't ever recall them flying to Mexico City. I remember the flash-in-the-pan Atlanta hub operations, but nothing to Mexico City. Their JFK flight went onto San Antonio. I could be wrong, but I sure don't remember a MEX route for from New Orleans.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
New Orleans-Cancun

Eastern also flew to Merida, not sure from where. I think Eastern also flew Texas to Mexico City, either IAH, Corpus Christi or San Antonio.

Eastern flew MSY-MEX for many years...throughout the 1980's...at least. I flew it many times for work.

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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:53 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 43):
You sure about that? I lived in New Orleans when TWA started service to the city and don't ever recall them flying to Mexico City. I remember the flash-in-the-pan Atlanta hub operations, but nothing to Mexico City. Their JFK flight went onto San Antonio. I could be w

I followed TWA's developments during the last few years of its existence. They did fly the MSY-MEX route for a while. The route never developed for them. The major criticism was that it was a night flight.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 4):
When I was at EA I remember working JFK/ACA. I think it was on an L10

It was definitely an L1011. My father flew one in and was on layover there when I was born.

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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:06 pm

I just talked to a former EAL Flight Attendant who told me Eastern flew from IAD-MEX using a DC-8 back in the 1970's.
 
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 43):


Their JFK flight went onto San Antonio. I could be wrong, but I sure don't remember a MEX route for from New Orleans.

TWA did fly JFK-MSY-SAT and JFK-MSY-MEX. CO and DL held NYC-MEX authority so TW had to do the MSY stop. It was timed for European connections, but lasted only a year or so....
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Tracker (Reply 39):
I believe TW flew the LAX-MEX route in the mid-70's. I think it was a 707 when I flew it.

TWA never flew to Mexico on a scheduled basis before deregulation. However, Western Airlines flew LAX-MEX with a mix of DC-6Bs, 707s, 720s, 727s, and DC-10s, from 1957 until the DL merger.
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RE: US-Mexico Routes Flown By Panam, TWA And Eastern?

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 47):
TWA did fly JFK-MSY-SAT and JFK-MSY-MEX. CO and DL held NYC-MEX authority so TW had to do the MSY stop. It was timed for European connections, but lasted only a year or so....

There was much fanfare in regards to the MEX flight down here when it was started in 1999. Something that hurt it was its 8:20pm departure time from New Orleans, but TW couldn't really change that, since it was timed to pick up some European connections out of Kennedy, as OzarkD9S said. I remember a newspaper article about three months into the service proclaiming it was averaging 72 passengers boarded in MSY nightly, but it had virtually no through traffic from JFK. It did last about a year, before the route was switched...once again...to JFK-MSY-SAT.