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Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:52 am

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How do these "buildingless jetways" work? I have never seen an airport with anything like this.

Any feedback would be appreciated.
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:00 am

these are easy deboarding jetways allowing to deboard the plane like at a finger but at the end there waits a bus and not the terminal.
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:10 am

Yep. You board and deplane like at the regular terminal, but then you go down a set of stairs or escalator a bus waiting to take you to the terminal. I'm pretty sure these remote jetways are also used at LAX, not sure if any other airports use them.
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:32 am

actually, they are not used for deboarding only but for boarding as well... you get into the bus like with every other remote stand, the bus brings you to the little building connected to each jetway (those buildings basically contain a few escalators and nothing else), you go up the escalator and through the jetway into the plane... happened to me quite often when leaving from MUC on a charter carrier....
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:13 am

Thanks for all the feedback. I'd like to try them someday!
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:23 am

I think that they are great, especially if it's raining or snowing outside. Nothing worse then sitting on the stairs waiting to board in the middle of a downpour.
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:40 am

Actually reminds me of LA. They have hard stands with jet bridges where passengers are bussed to the terminal facility.


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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:55 am

It looks as if they took two gates at the main terminal and built two departure lounge buildings where the plane would have parked. Buses drive up to those buildings and take you to the remote stands.

Between the larger number of remote stands than terminal gates and the long layout of the terminal, that must be one hell of an airport to connect in (but I guess it's not a hub, is it?)
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:00 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
(but I guess it's not a hub, is it?)

MUC is the 7th busiest airport in Europe and is a major hub for LH.

In many cases, it offers better connections to Central and Eastern Europe than FRA does.

Lack of expansion capability in FRA forced LH to expand elsewhere and they chose MUC which opened only in 1992 replacing the old Munich-Riem airport.
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:14 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Between the larger number of remote stands than terminal gates and the long layout of the terminal, that must be one hell of an airport to connect in (but I guess it's not a hub, is it?)

To me personally it is the best airport in Europe to connect. You can connect between flights at MUC in as little as 30 minutes. It's not only a very efficient airport, it's also a very easy airport to use. I love it.
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:12 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Between the larger number of remote stands than terminal gates and the long layout of the terminal, that must be one hell of an airport to connect in (but I guess it's not a hub, is it?)

well, what you see on this photo is terminal 1, which is not a hub and used mainly for charter, low-cost and foreign carriers (everything but Star Alliance, basically). Terminal 2 is located back-to-back on the other side and has a completely different layout. As discribed above it's a major hub for LH and *A.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
It looks as if they took two gates at the main terminal and built two departure lounge buildings where the plane would have parked. Buses drive up to those buildings and take you to the remote stands.

true, but only in parts. Actually, every gate you see on the photo also has a staircase down to the road where the busses pass by and can pick up passengers. So every gate has two numbers and two entrances - one leading to the jetway, one to the staircase. At busy times it's (or was at least, before LH moved to T2) actually more likely to be bussed out than to board via the jetway on the terminal.
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:17 pm

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 10):
well, what you see on this photo is terminal 1, which is not a hub and used mainly for charter, low-cost and foreign carriers (everything but Star Alliance, basically). Terminal 2 is located back-to-back on the other side and has a completely different layout. As discribed above it's a major hub for LH and *A.

That was clear once it was explained this was an LH hub. I assumed that this was only one terminal being shown, and generally looking at the jets parked there, they were all sorts of airlines but only a couple LH. But there is an LH 343 parked at one remote stand, so you do get some connections from there it would seem.
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:34 pm

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 3):
actually, they are not used for deboarding only but for boarding as well... you get into the bus like with every other remote stand, the bus brings you to the little building connected to each jetway (those buildings basically contain a few escalators and nothing else), you go up the escalator and through the jetway into the plane... happened to me quite often when leaving from MUC on a charter carrier....

that's not correct. in the last three months we used this jetbridges two times. all flights were with DI.
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:01 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
I assumed that this was only one terminal being shown, and generally looking at the jets parked there, they were all sorts of airlines but only a couple LH. But there is an LH 343 parked at one remote stand, so you do get some connections from there it would seem.

Lufthansa use the remote apron of terminal 1 just for temporarly 'storage parking' of their planes...
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:40 pm

On seeing the remote jetways in the pic my first impression was that they were linked to the terminals by a tunnel or tunnels. Now there's an idea for future airport planners!
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:08 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 14):
On seeing the remote jetways in the pic my first impression was that they were linked to the terminals by a tunnel or tunnels. Now there's an idea for future airport planners!

Why walk that far when you can take a 3 minutes bus ride? These remote stands at MUC are actually quite efficient, all things considered. I've used remote stands are other hubs like FRA, LHR, AMS, and other than LHR, I was able to transfer between flights in less than 1 hour. Typically these remote gates are used by smaller regional aircraft which don't take a lot of time to boad/deplane and all passengers fit into only 1 bus. But unlike remote stands at other airports, in MUC the passengers are not exposed to the elemants. It a briliant way to add gates to a terminal without the enormous cost of expanding a terminal building.
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:12 pm

Used this remote jet ways once in MUC - in terrible weather, high winds and pouring rain, and guess what, not a single passenger had a drop of rain on them. They work like a dream! Excellent design!

The buses almost enter the jet way structure, so you are effectively continuously "indoors"...
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 14):
On seeing the remote jetways in the pic my first impression was that they were linked to the terminals by a tunnel or tunnels. Now there's an idea for future airport planners!

GVA has had this for years....
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:17 am

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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Between the larger number of remote stands than terminal gates and the long layout of the terminal, that must be one hell of an airport to connect in (but I guess it's not a hub, is it?)

Actually I find it very nice and efficient to connect in and prefer it over FRA. Last august, I flew SLC-ORD-MUC-BRE and the connection in MUC was very nice. I prefer it to ORD, or some of the other major airports.
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 17):
GVA has had this for years....

GVA is a bit different though. It has three satellites, two of which are equipped with three jetways each and these three satellites are connected to the main terminal by an underground tunnel.

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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:26 am

Does anybody have specific info's about Lufthansa Cityline CRJ's currently operating out of a jetway to the main terminal or to one of these remote stands?
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:54 am

i belive IAD has them as well.
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 12):
Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 3):actually, they are not used for deboarding only but for boarding as well... you get into the bus like with every other remote stand, the bus brings you to the little building connected to each jetway (those buildings basically contain a few escalators and nothing else), you go up the escalator and through the jetway into the plane... happened to me quite often when leaving from MUC on a charter carrier....
that's not correct. in the last three months we used this jetbridges two times. all flights were with DI.

so what's wrong with what I said? you used the jetbridges when flying DI, I used them when on SunExpress or HapagFly....?  Confused
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:39 am

Is there a map with gate numbers for those jetways in MUC and GVA?
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 21):
Does anybody have specific info's about Lufthansa Cityline CRJ's currently operating out of a jetway to the main terminal or to one of these remote stands?

All CRJ´s and the rest of regional aircraft (DHC-8, ERJ, Avro/BAe) at T2 operate from remote stands.
Except from Swiss Avro´s, they park directly at the terminal!
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:48 am

FRA also has these remote stands. I deplaned from a DL 763 on a remote stand there a few weeks ago.
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:49 am

I deplaned on these from SFO to MUC. MUC has a very nice Airport on the interior and easy to use. People are friendly also if you have a question. They have gates and once your board your bus has the flight # and destination on the screen on the outside signs and inside. Then we were shuttled over to a remote gate on a Lufthansa flight to FCO. It was a bit cold in MUC but not bad. Kind of reminded me about Mexico City with the raising buses.
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:06 pm

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 21):
Does anybody have specific info's about Lufthansa Cityline CRJ's currently operating out of a jetway to the main terminal or to one of these remote stands?

MUC's jetways (be it T1, T2 or remote) are not capable of "docking" with CRJs from what I know. The CRJs are "bussed" the conventional way. That's why MUC is currently planning to extend T2 by another 30 odd jetways (I'm not sure whether they will be CRJ-compatible)

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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal

Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting Justman (Reply 25):
All CRJ�s and the rest of regional aircraft (DHC-8, ERJ, Avro/BAe) at T2 operate from remote stands.

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Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 28):
MUC's jetways (be it T1, T2 or remote) are not capable of "docking" with CRJs from what I know

Just curious if there's any other large airport out there that currently have regional jets/turboprops loading/unloading pax directly at main terminals via jetways? (no buses)
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:45 pm

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 29):
Just curious if there's any other large airport out there that currently have regional jets/turboprops loading/unloading pax directly at main terminals via jetways? (no buses)

I believe that ORD has this in place. Also, not a large airport, but YLW uses jetways for Dash 8's and CRJ's on a regular basis.
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:20 pm

In HEL T1 you can park some turboprops on the jetways. When the terminal was opened there were Finnair's MD-11, DC9 and ATR-72-201 at the domestic jetways.

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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:01 pm

Quoting Teme82 (Reply 31):
Found this :
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0290349/M/

This ATR can not be connected to a jetway in that position and board conventionally. The way the airplane is parked, the jetway would connect to the cargo door as the passenger door is aft of all passenger seats. It is possible to board through the cargo compartment I suppose, as there is a door in the forward bulkhead of the passenger cabin that allows access to the cargo, but this seems highly inefficient as the rampers would have to wait until all passengers are boarded and the jetway is pulled away before bags could be loaded.
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 32):
This ATR can not be connected to a jetway in that position and board conventionally. The way the airplane is parked, the jetway would connect to the cargo door as the passenger door is aft of all passenger seats. It is possible to board through the cargo compartment I suppose, as there is a door in the forward bulkhead of the passenger cabin that allows access to the cargo, but this seems highly inefficient as the rampers would have to wait until all passengers are boarded and the jetway is pulled away before bags could be loaded.

Incorrect! AY's ATR's now Aero's has passenger door on the front I know since I've been in one  Wink

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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 29):
Just curious if there's any other large airport out there that currently have regional jets/turboprops loading/unloading pax directly at main terminals via jetways? (no buses)

I believe some gates in the B Terminal at IAH (some are boarded by bus), EWR does it at Terminal C, and since I was flying from EWR to PIT on a regional jet, so does PIT for that matter (at least CO does it at all 3).

at US at LGA, its a hybrid situation. They have a couple of the gates where there are steps that lead down to the ramp and you just walk to the correct plane (there are maybe 4/gate). Not sure about DL @ JFK though.
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:07 am

Quoting Justman (Reply 25):
All CRJ´s and the rest of regional aircraft (DHC-8, ERJ, Avro/BAe) at T2 operate from remote stands.
Except from Swiss Avro´s, they park directly at the terminal!

I boarded an LH Avro last friday from the terminal (gate G18) . Flight was MUC-TLS
 
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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:01 am

The BAe 146/Avros are compatible with the jetways in T1 and T2. Those types board regularly via jetways.

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RE: Munich (MUC): Jetways Not Attached To Terminal?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:27 am

Seems like a good idea, but it must be awfully expensive to build and maintain those remote jetbridges. It would be much cheaper and just as efficient to have a set of covered steps on each stand. You could probably buy 3 sets of steps for the price of 1 jetbridge.

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