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How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:03 pm

Last time I flew out of LHR was in 1996! Its certainly a very long time and I wonder what changed have been made in the airport during those 10+ years !
Could anyone here resume more or less what changes have been made over thoe 10 years in LHR?
Thanks a lot
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:08 pm

Lots of changes.
Terminal 5 is being built to the west of the current terminal area. A few BA European flights have been moved from T1 to T4, and some BA longhaul flights have been moved from T4 to T1.
There is now exit-passport control, whereas before there was only passport control when you were flying into Heathrow.
Restrictions on what liquids you can carry in your hand luggage, such a pain...
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:18 pm

The largest change must be security, such a hassel.

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Last time I flew out of LHR was in 1996

Well done in being able to avoid LHR for so long! Why are you going through LHR this time? With what airline?

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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:21 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
Why are you going through LHR this time? With what airline?

No I haven't planned to pass through LHR for the moment. The last tiem I ever saw the airport was flying over it on a LIM-BIN-AMS flight. Since I used to transit very often by there during my childhood I wondered what has become of it these days

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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:40 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 3):
No I haven't planned to pass through LHR for the moment.

If you're sensible you'll avoid LHR at all costs - transit was always a nightmare, but these insane hand luggage restrictions (one piece only, no exceptions - NOT government imposed, it's all BAA's idea to try and save money and avoid opening a sensible number of checkpoints) have turned it into a total shambles - I will travel via any point on the globe rather than brave that hellhole.
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:50 pm

And the one-piece of hand luggage doesnt exclude laptop bags! So if your airline says you can carry one piece, they dont normally count your laptop bag. However, try taking an ordinary bag + laptop bag and you'll be told by security that you can only take one, not both! Such a hassle...
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:03 pm

I'll answer the question instead of turning this thread into a Heathrow-bashing session.

To answer the question, there have been many changes in the last 10 years:

New taxi-ways
Runways re-surfaced
Terminal 3 airside refurbished
New pier and gates at T3
New security rules (to all our disgust!)
Second security check-points at some gates
New control tower
New transport links
And last but not least, the world class Terminal 5. The new transport links include new road/rail and underground services to terminal 5.

There's been some other minor, cosmetic changes such as the Burger King in T3 is now gone and some other slight changes.
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:19 pm

Basically it's just got far worse (you talk of 10 years - in 1982 there were bad enough queues in T3 during the summer and that was without the security seen today yet the situation just gets worse each year).

From an enthusiast POV, most biz have gone to Luton or Farnborough, BA and BMI have 56% of the slots so a day on the threshold is fairly tedious and many delivery flights from the US to the Middle East and India now use Shannon, Birmingham and Manchester.

Once a place on the "must visit" list, now top of the "must avoid " list for travellers and enthusiasts.
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:38 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 7):
Once a place on the "must visit" list, now top of the "must avoid " list for travellers and enthusiasts.

Absoloutly. I don't know if LHR is beyond saving, but I suspect so. I try to avoid LHR when I can, but many times it is a necessary evil. I choose to fly Iberia, and they fly LHR.

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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting Asturias (Reply 8):
Absoloutly. I don't know if LHR is beyond saving, but I suspect so. I try to avoid LHR when I can, but many times it is a necessary evil. I choose to fly Iberia, and they fly LHR.

I concur. Not to bash LHR but the whole area is just a nightmare to deal with, from the perspective of being a pax passing through security, etc., etc., but with all the road traffic into and out of the drop-off and pick-up areas. Sure it's nice to have the tube and Heathrow Express as alternatives, but it's just too crowded regardless.

And now CO are wanting to fly to LHR with OpenSkies. Sigh. Keep LGW, please.  Smile
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:22 am

It was a dump ten years ago and its still a dump now
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:58 am

A busy place, just about functions despite severe space problems, a rampant NIMBY national culture, if it's as bad as many say, why the hell are the slots so prized?

Arsenal@LHR has provided much needed context to this whingefest.
Maybe, like me, he lives so close to LHR, what some see as chaos is normal, when you are close all the time.

Working there, I am well aware of the problems, some make the news, some don't.
It has had major investment, it's also had I think in recent years, less than stellar management.

T5 will help a lot - On time and budget - how often do you hear that about a major project? And T5 is about the biggest construction site in Europe too. But that will spoil the story, won't it?

Transport links to C London are somewhat better than 10 years ago, as are some links elsewhere.
The central bus/coach station is much, much better than before.
Parking, being space related, will always be a problem.

For the spotter, it's a different story though.
But, please don't live in a bubble here, events of the last 5 years have driven this, those serious threats against LHR were real.
If it it the case that the UK is about no.1 on the general Islamist terrorists hit list, then LHR, so close to the capital, is inevitably a major target by default.
This saddens me, but blame the terrorists.

Maybe it's me, but I assume in a busy, crowded place like LHR, with a dynamic operation of mass air travel, I expect difficulties - are we saying that LHR is the only airport that has problems?
Maybe as a society we expect perfection or something like it, all the time.
This is not to excuse times when LHR has been found wanting, as I said, T5 apart, management has been less than good far too often in recent years.

LHR was probably built in the wrong place, too much was allowed to be built too close to it - I am typing this in a place built in 1985, really, it should not have been. Lack of joined up government, long term thinking, is a long term UK malaise, LHR is a victim of this.

One thing I miss from 10 years ago, the regular roar of 4 reheated R/R Olympus engines on take off.
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:11 am

The biggest change I see at LHR is that BA Concordes are no longer flying in or out of the airport and are now almost forgotten.

One of these BA beauties, Concorde G-BOAB, is still sitting on the tarmac not very far from the round shaped Holiday Inn.
Last time I saw her she looked well. Sadly, she is just an empty shell and I believe her engines have been taken off.

G-CONC, the famous Concorde statue at the roundabout will be dismantled and moved to the Brooklands museum.
I do not know if the move to the museum is permanent or temporary. At least she will be in good hands. Volunteers there will be cleaning her up and restoring her and she will look at her best.

At least there is still one Concorde at Heathrow. I hope she will remain there, maybe moved to T5 in the future which would make sense as it will be a BA terminal.
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:36 am

There has also been a new hanger built, lots of new cargo buildings have been pulled down and replaced too, lots of new hotels around the airport and more construction work is ongoing over at Hatton X that will change how that looks (just wish they would do something about that damnd roundabout !!).

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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
One thing I miss from 10 years ago, the regular roar of 4 reheated R/R Olympus engines on take off.

Yes thats one thing I miss.

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 10):
It was a dump ten years ago and its still a dump now

Its not a dump , Manchester can take that award!!!!

Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
Arsenal@LHR has provided much needed context to this whingefest.
Maybe, like me, he lives so close to LHR, what some see as chaos is normal, when you are close all the time.

Well I was born and bread under the flight path and my first job was at Terminal 2 in the early 90's so I have a soft spot for LHR but thats just memories. It has totally changed from when I worked and lived in the area. Sometimes its ok to transfer through LHR and other times its a nightmare. I can see both points of view. 2 people can experience a totally different LHR on the same day. T5 will help the grid lock as the other terminals are maxed to the full. T5 looks amazing so cant wait for it to open.

Love it or hate it LHR is still attracting the worlds major air routes and airlines so it cant be that bad.

As for the terrorism aspect , yes it has put me off a bit and I am a bit scared as it is a top target but I guess you can be anywhere these days so you just have to get on with life. Growing up in West London I can see why we have these problems now and its because they never integrated but thats another issue for another forum. All I have is memories and the place is not the country or city I grew up in and is like a strange place to me now.
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:05 am

I've flown in and out of LHR for over 35 years now, yes it can get crowded but all in all for the largest International airport it operates ok.

Been to far worse airports and if you get caught up in a queue, chill out as there are always seats in TGIF's or Weatherspoons beyond security......
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:20 pm

All those above and:

Runway 23 has been closed for good.
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 10):
It was a dump ten years ago and its still a dump now

Its not a dump , Manchester can take that award!!!!

Seems that you are in the minority. Google "Airport Awards London Heathrow" and you won't find much. This is what I did find::http://www.justtheflight.co.uk/news/18080246-heathrow-voted-top-family-friendly-airport.html

Google "Airport Awards Manchester" and you'll find a good number of entries. Have a look at: http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/web.nsf/Content/AwardsFactsheets kindly provided by the airport.

Seems to me that the professionals and travellers alike can tell the difference.
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:20 pm

Hardly a biased ''rosey'' view of LHR is it Philb????

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Sometimes its ok to transfer through LHR and other times its a nightmare. I can see both points of view. 2 people can experience a totally different LHR on the same day



Quoting Philb (Reply 17):
Seems to me that the professionals and travellers alike can tell the difference.

Well Im both having nearly 16 years in the industry in various fields and a very frequent traveller. Im not saying LHR is a nice airport but its by far not the worst.
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:11 pm

You bid 16 years, I'll give you more than double that and 45 years of travelling through Heathrow.

Of course you are correct that two people can experience a totally different LHR on the same day but it is common knowledge in the industry and, unfortunately, common experience with the travelling public that, whatever airline you use, whatever terminal and, God help you, if you are interlining, LHR is NOT the place to go.

BTW, what's your problem with MAN and why is your view not reflected by the general consensus?
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:13 pm

One thing that has changed for sure is the probablility of your being lost (by BA) has gone up by about 110%.
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:39 pm

Obviously everybody has different opinions and experiences of LHR but I for one really like the place, Yeah it can be hard to get around at times and you get delays here and there, but I challenge anyone to name one airport, just one where you dont get any of that.
I love LHR, Theres so much to see, and if your lucky you might get a delay so you can spend more time looking out the window at everything going on on the ramp! Big grin
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:20 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 19):
BTW, what's your problem with MAN

I have been through it 5 times and hated every single time. I just dont like it.

Quoting Steve332 (Reply 21):
I love LHR, Theres so much to see, and if your lucky you might get a delay so you can spend more time looking out the window at everything going on on the ramp!

LOL....a man after my own heart!!! I knew there was someone else out there LOL....
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting Steve332 (Reply 21):
I love LHR, Theres so much to see, and if your lucky you might get a delay so you can spend more time looking out the window at everything going on on the ramp!

First you have to be able to FIND a window that hasn't been covered up by a Sock Shop, Tie Rack, Cafe Ritazza or World Duty Free. BAA have turned the terminals into wonderful shopping malls, but as soon as you step into the gate areas (excluding the T1 Worldpier or new T3 sections) the buildings are a complete disgrace. Even T4 seems like a dark maze of shops and restaurants with almost NO windows.
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 23):
BAA have turned the terminals into wonderful shopping malls

Thats one thing I like about LHR , plenty of shops to pass the time unlike USA airports that are just long corridors with a Starbucks and a MCDonalds. There are not enough windows though I agree with you there. Zurich is brilliant and has the right balance between shops and windows etc...
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 23):
Even T4 seems like a dark maze of shops and restaurants with almost NO windows.

Apart from the massive wall of windows at one of the cafe's looking over most of the airport of course.  Wink
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
I have been through it 5 times and hated every single time. I just dont like it.

Wow, FIVE times!! I just wonder why your experiences have been so poor compared to those of the experts and those who have voted to give MAN so many awards - perhaps you are a shopaholic!
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 26):
perhaps you are a shopaholic!

Yep I am indeed .

Quoting Philb (Reply 26):
Wow, FIVE times!! I just wonder why your experiences have been so poor

Yep 5 times too much , I just dont like it.
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
Well Im both having nearly 16 years in the industry in various fields and a very frequent traveller. Im not saying LHR is a nice airport but its by far not the worst.

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Quoting Steve332 (Reply 25):
Apart from the massive wall of windows at one of the cafe's looking over most of the airport of course.

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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:44 pm

Quoting Steve332 (Reply 25):
Apart from the massive wall of windows at one of the cafe's looking over most of the airport of course.

Hence the use of the word "almost."

And even then, you have to elbow your way through tables, chairs and crowds of diners just to find a seat near one of the windows.
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:53 pm

Theres a nice view from the Lufthansa business class in Terminal 2 if you happen to be travelling on them and have access to it. Also the BMI lounge in Terminal 1.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 23):

First you have to be able to FIND a window that hasn't been covered up by a Sock Shop, Tie Rack, Cafe Ritazza or World Duty Free. BAA have turned the terminals into wonderful shopping malls, but as soon as you step into the gate areas (excluding the T1 Worldpier or new T3 sections) the buildings are a complete disgrace. Even T4 seems like a dark maze of shops and restaurants with almost NO windows.

Has BAA considered building shopping malls outside of their airports? I'm sure they would be a very profitable mall developer.  duck 

I agree with you Jsnww81, the windowless environment makes the place really claustrophobic. When I'm in there, sometimes I think the entire airport was built underground!
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:19 am

Quoting Max999 (Reply 31):
Has BAA considered building shopping malls outside of their airports? I'm sure they would be a very profitable mall developer.

Funny you should say that - BAA used to have a share in the McArthur Glen Designer Outlets, though I think it was disposed of some years ago; I can't find any press reports of the actual sale though!

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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:49 am

Doesn't the Competition Commission realise that BAA is anti-competitive? I would love it if BAAs control of all the major airports was broken and we had one separate airport company for each airport.
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:23 am

Quoting Max999 (Reply 31):
I agree with you Jsnww81, the windowless environment makes the place really claustrophobic. When I'm in there, sometimes I think the entire airport was built underground!

Ha, ha, ha, love it! That's a very good observation, one could indeed be forgiven for thinking that the place is slowly sinking into the ground!  rotfl 

It's funny how BAA have gradually blocked out all the views of the aprons and runways from the landside areas of the terminals, to the point where in many parts you can't even see daylight. Grim indeed.

I've worked at LHR on and off since the early 80's, but as a passenger/visitor/aviation enthusiast, give me AMS any day.

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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:33 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
T5 will help a lot - On time and budget - how often do you hear that about a major project? And T5 is about the biggest construction site in Europe too. But that will spoil the story, won't it?

But why didn't they make T5 big enough to handle all BA flights? Wasn't that the intent when T5 was first announced? I understand some BA flights will continue to use another terminal (forget which one) after T5 opens because T5 won't be large enough to handle BA's entire operation. Seems like bad planning.

One of the most confusing aspects of LHR now is trying to figure out what terminal your BA flight is departing from.

And even when you're connecting at the same terminal and your inbound flight arrives on time, you're not immune from problems. I missed a BA connection YUL-LHR-GVA on Tuesday (both flights at T4) due to totally inadquate staffing at the security checkpoint for connecting passengers. Only 2 positions were open at approximately 09.20 and one was the Fasttrack position reserved for first and business class passengers. As soon as I saw the length of the line for the one other active checkpoint (of 3 available) I pretty well gave up hope of making my connection to GVA leaving 50 minutes later and I was right. Luckily the next flight to GVA was only 90 minutes later but many passengers must miss connections and be seriously inconvenienced where service is less frequent. And if they can't ensure reasonably reliable connections on a sunny Tuesday in March (hardly the busiest day of the year), what chance does the average passenger have on a peak day in July or August?

Best solution as others have mentioned--avoid connecting at LHR unless there's no other reasonable alternative.
 
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:39 am

Viscount 724, my understanding is that BA will not fit into the intial T5, but the terninal that opens one year from now, is not the end of the the story.

I remember a tour of T4 just before it opened in 1986, the guide pointed out that it had been designed under the assumption that pax would not spend very long there!
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 36):
Viscount 724, my understanding is that BA will not fit into the intial T5, but the terninal that opens one year from now, is not the end of the the story.

My understanding is there are two Satellite terminals in the next couple of years after the main T5 building.
Not sure if these will be linked by moving walkways or un-manned trains ( a bit like the parallel terminals at ATL ).

Think the eventual aim is for all BA services plus as many as poss of Alliance partners to be in T5.

In meantime the Alliance partners plus the assoc BA services e.g. OZ , Spain , plus AA will be in T3 which is nearest Terminal to T3,

Also heard BA 757 fleet will be dedicated to shorthaul ex--T3 as its abt the right size to cover those frequencies.

[Edited 2007-03-29 04:05:40]
 
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RE: How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?

Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:09 pm

Quoting BCALBOY (Reply 37):
My understanding is there are two Satellite terminals in the next couple of years after the main T5 building.
Not sure if these will be linked by moving walkways or un-manned trains ( a bit like the parallel terminals at ATL ).

T5A (the main building) and T5B (the first satellite) open in March 2008. The second satellite (T5C) will open in 2010 (a year earlier than originally planned). The main buildling is connected to the satellites with an shuttle train (like ATL, DEN to name a couple).

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