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Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:07 am

Hey Guys

Does anyone have any ideas on Emirates' next UK Destination??

So far we have:

LHR - 5x Daily (B77W, B772, A332)
LGW- 3x Daily (not sure of aircraft, B77W?, B772?)
MAN- 2x Daily (B77W)
BHX- 2x Daily (B77W, A332?)
GLA- 1x Daily (B77W)
and soon to be NCL- 1x Daily (A332)

I heard somwhere that EK were interested in BRS but there was a runway constraint. Could they possibly start EDI, EMA, STN or maybe( a big maybe!) even EXT?

I assume that LPL is too close to MAN to generate a good yield and passenger loads?

I'd be interested to know what you guys think. It's always nice to see regional airports get landmark routes such as Dubai!

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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting MANisnumber1 (Thread starter):

LGW- 3x Daily (not sure of aircraft, B77W?, B772?)

1)Welcome to A.net mate.. Smile
2)LGW-DXB 2x A332 and 1X B77W...
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:52 am

Before EK introduce a new U.K route I think we will see the following...

New evening flight for GLA, bringing this to x2 daily.

Third daily service for MAN most likley an early morning departure ex MAN

Upgrade of evening service for BHX to 772 or 77w

then we may see a new service for EDI, I do recall EDI almost got the GLA service when EK were looking at Scotland... so they do stand a good chance of a service before the likes of BRS, EXT

the options are endless really, they could look at ABZ, STN, CWL, EXT but I do think EDI will be next.


I also think EK will introduce a new service to ADL now they have the extra frequencies.

Good luck to EK they are a great airline and its nice to have an airline that supports the regions!!
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:52 am

Personaly I would love to see Emirates begin STN, although London is already well served by EK.

Although Dublin is not in the UK; I would consider it a strong contendor for the next UK & Ireland route.

EDI is perhaps the most likely from the list you provided; however this may require a downgrade of the GLA route.

On a side note; I would love to see CO return to STN aswell as a new DXB route from EK  Smile

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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:13 am

I'd love for it to be STN!
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:16 am

In my opinion, the following would be good options for EK

STN
CWL
DSA

In my opinion EMA is too close to BHX and EDI is too close to GLA and NCL
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):

Doncaster??? Random...I dont think that would make any sense at all!
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:35 am

Could anyone see more flights into LHR in addition to the 5 frequencies they already have?
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 7):

Easily. Heathrow's the flagship route of EK isn't it? Flights are nearly always full!
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 6):
Doncaster??? Random...I dont think that would make any sense at all!

EK to DSA isn't as crazy as it sounds. It's one of England's more accessible airports and sits bang in the middle of multicultural Yorkshire/Humberside/East Midlands with a population in excess of that of Scotland.

I've always thought that DSA is one to watch. It didn't take the airport long to attract long-haul charters.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:00 am

EK will do good for EMA-DXB due to the massive indian community in Derby (Normanton area) and Leicester(Belgrave road).
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:06 am

I can see LGW being reduced in capacity once EK's DXB-IAH route opens, and more so if CO move their IAH flights to LHR. Many people use these flights to connect from DXB-IAH and vice versa, and these pax will be lost once the direct service comes in. I'd suspect that it would go down to 3x daily A330.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 8):
Easily. Heathrow's the flagship route of EK isn't it? Flights are nearly always full!

...flyin' on this route in a few weeks.. bigthumbsup 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:37 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
...flyin' on this route in a few weeks.. bigthumbsup

Not bad! Do you know which flight you'll be on? The a/c type (and therefore, service) can vary.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting MANisnumber1 (Thread starter):
heard somwhere that EK were interested in BRS but there was a runway constraint

Didnt EK serve BRS at one point and then stop it ???? I thought they flew to BRS.

Id like to see DUB but we already have GF and soon EY so it make be over capacity if EK came in even with the population of the North and South of the Island taken into account.

EMA,CWL,STN would be my shortlist.

Just done a mini trip report on EK MAN-DXB-MAN J Class EK (by OA260 Mar 26 2007 in Trip Reports)

Excellent service.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):
In my opinion EMA is too close to BHX and EDI is too close to GLA and NCL

Distance from EMA to BHX is 37.2 miles

Distance from LGW to LHR (Terminal 3) is 43.81 miles

A difference of 6.61 miles so I don't agree that EMA's proximity to BHX is an issue.

Quoting Soups (Reply 10):
EK will do good for EMA-DXB due to the massive Indian community in Derby (Normanton area) and Leicester(Belgrave road).

Absolutely right, there is huge potential in the East Midlands due to its ethnic diversity - Leicester/shire was the first city/county (can't remember which now) where the white population is now the ethnic minority.

I had heard that Emirates would not use EMA though due to the lack of air bridges, however, it doesn't stop them flying into places like Male in the Maldives which is much smaller than EMA and also has no air bridges.

It would be incredibly nice to see a regular T7 flight in to EMA - purely from an enthusiasts perspective!!  Smile
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 13):

Not bad! Do you know which flight you'll be on? The a/c type (and therefore, service) can vary.

absolutely...I will be on EK-29....their B773....though I'm trying to get on EK1-their B773ER's.... yes 

.....actually its EK-605 then EK-29 for now...KHI-DXB-LHR....

..two of my aunts and two of my cousins are going to be on EK206/604(JFK-HAM-DXB-KHI) and EK 204/606(JFK-DXB-KHI)...I persuaded them to fly on the B773ER's  bigthumbsup ....
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
absolutely...I will be on EK-29....their B773....though I'm trying to get on EK1-their B773ER's.... yes

.....actually its EK-605 then EK-29 for now...KHI-DXB-LHR....

..two of my aunts and two of my cousins are going to be on EK206/604(JFK-HAM-DXB-KHI) and EK 204/606(JFK-DXB-KHI)...I persuaded them to fly on the B773ER's bigthumbsup ....

And my username is Emirates029....nice coincidence  Wink

Someone mentioned DUB earlier. Not sure if its true but I heard EK mgt were kicking themselves for not tapping into that market before EI, EY and GF did.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Although Dublin is not in the UK; I would consider it a strong contendor for the next UK & Ireland route.

Do you think EK might consider routing some flights to the USA via DUB?
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:36 am

The major part of the country which is missing an EK service is the South West and Wales; applicable airports would be SOU/BOU area, BRS, CWL, or EXT - I know NQY could handle anything, but it would never happen.

SOU would be far too constrained - I don't think a 332 could operate from the runway without an extension and I don't think BOU has the appropriate infrastructure to handle Emirates, or their aircraft.
BRS should be able to handle the 332 on flights to DXB; ThomsonFly and First Choice already operate the 763 on trans-Atlantics to Florida without pressing issues, and EI have flown the 332 on charters.
CWL has a much longer runway, no problems for EK there.
EXT again has a suitable runway, but the terminal infrastructure would have to be upgraded.

I think it would be quite close between BRS and CWL, both airports have fairly aggressive management who would love to get EK, just as they both fought to get CO's service to EWR. I think though that Cardiff may just have the upper hand in this, no runway issues, so they could pack the 332 with pax and cargo.


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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 17):
Someone mentioned DUB earlier. Not sure if its true but I heard EK mgt were kicking themselves for not tapping into that market before EI, EY and GF did.

Well it was almost launched prior to 9/11 and all the right things were happening and then everything fell through. So they had their chance but for obvious reasons didnt commence anything but you would have thought last year they could have launched it.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 18):
Do you think EK might consider routing some flights to the USA via DUB?

Could be possible but most USA passengers do not want to stop in Ireland and with longer range A/C they do not need to stop. Also there would be restrictions on what type of AC could land in DUB and we dont want a SNN stop!!!! A 4 x weekly A330 direct service may work for them.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:41 am

I think theat EDI and STN will be next.

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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:41 am

I'd love to see them do LBA-DXB but not sure if they would be able to get out of LBA with a full load and fuel for DXB non-stop although BY did once operate a B767 direct from LBA-Orlando.

LBA has a massive catchment area similar to DSA although transport links to LBA are not the best.

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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:35 am

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 17):

And my username is Emirates029....nice coincidence  Wink

..haha..very nice indeed..maybe I'll just keep my flight EK-29 instead of trying to switch to EK-1  Smile

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 17):
Someone mentioned DUB earlier. Not sure if its true but I heard EK mgt were kicking themselves for not tapping into that market before EI, EY and GF did.

...EK was not the brightest not taking this decision(along with YYZ)..I'm actually flying GF DUB-BAH-KHI...and from what I've heard, loads on the DUB-BAH have done well (even though this route has started only about 1 1/2 years ago)....if EK had been on this route also (DUB-DXB-KHI), I certainly would have taken EK over GF... yes 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:40 am

The EI flights to DXB arrive/depart at good times to connect with EK flights to/from Australia. A bit of code sharing would mean that EK do not have to duplicate a service that EI is already operating.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:09 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Didnt EK serve BRS at one point and then stop it ???? I thought they flew to BRS.

No

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
and we dont want a SNN stop!!!!

Who's we? The population of Clare, Kerry, Galway and Limerick is growing and people down here are fed up with the Dublincentric policies of this and previous governments.
Given your rose coloured view of LHR, no doubt you'd be happy to see the overcrowded hell hole that is DUB in the summer gain yet more pax to add to the misery. DUB could, no doubt, support such a flight commercially but as an unnecessary (aircraft range wise) transit stop it's a non-starter.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:15 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 25):
Who's we? The population of Clare, Kerry, Galway and Limerick is growing and people down here are fed up with the Dublincentric policies of this and previous governments.
Given your rose coloured view of LHR, no doubt you'd be happy to see the overcrowded hell hole that is DUB in the summer gain yet more pax to add to the misery. DUB could, no doubt, support such a flight commercially but as an unnecessary (aircraft range wise) transit stop it's a non-starter.

Dublin is the capital of Ireland is it not???? The US carriers are crying to get out of SNN. Its been proped up by the SNN stopover for far too long. The economic corridor is on the East coast Im afraid!!!! Nothing can change that. Yes Dublin is a hell hole during the summer but your government sits on its backside and does nothing, but since the Irish politians line their own pockets first that doesnt suprise me. Vote another government in next time!!!

As for my ''rose coloured'' view of LHR I suggest you read it again and not just ''skim'' through it.

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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:31 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
EDI is perhaps the most likely from the list you provided; however this may require a downgrade of the GLA route.

Downgrade one of it's successful routes? GLA fills up it's Business Class on most days.Why downgrade a successful route to start a new one only fifty miles away.
EK double daily at GLA is on the cards next year and Qatar at EDI maybe.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:44 pm

I would hope that STN would be next so it can start to get some more long haul flights.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:59 pm

Quoting Barnesy2006 (Reply 28):

I agree, STN makes sense as a new route.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:05 pm

Slightly off topic, but did you know apparently EK's UK routes are very unpopular among cabin crew? Something to do with rude passengers..who would have thought!
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:52 pm

I would vote for BRS - looking at the map of England, and the current coverage, it makes the most sense. They can use an A343/A332 for it, 1xDaily.
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:21 pm

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 31):
I would vote for BRS - looking at the map of England, and the current coverage, it makes the most sense. They can use an A343/A332 for it, 1xDaily.

Can Bristol handle an A340?
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 9):
DSA isn't as crazy as it sounds. It's one of England's more accessible airports

Eh? What are you basing that on? I would go as far as saying it is one of the most inaccessible!
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:04 pm

In the next year or so I would expect GLA to go 2x daily with the 332 for the second flight or maybe both. Either that or leave GLA the way it is for now and add EDI with a 332.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:09 pm

I think these are all only a matter of time:

London STN
East Midlands
Edinburgh
Belfast BFS
Bristol

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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:14 pm

Has anyone thought of Belfast International? Could they handle a daily A332?

I think STN, BRS, CWL, and EDI are all possibilites!
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 38):
Has anyone thought of Belfast International?

I would be very suprised if this happened. I cant see it daily, there wouldnt be the demand.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting Sean377 (Reply 34):
Eh? What are you basing that on? I would go as far as saying it is one of the most inaccessible!

Accessible via the M62, M1, M18, M180, M181, A1(M). That's what I meant, it's accessible from all directions and corners of the eastern side of England......traffic permitting.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
SOU would be far too constrained - I don't think a 332 could operate from the runway without an extension and I don't think BOU has the appropriate infrastructure to handle Emirates, or their aircraft.

No way in hell would an A330 ever land at Southampton - Bournemouth on the other hand; we've seen a few before! The latest was a Monarch A330 operating a Charter to America. Although I dont see Emirates operating into Bournemouth, their planes would easily be able to get in...
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:51 am

I have to agree,LHR is a total mess,logistically,big issues with security,trying to get airside as an employee is a nightmare.Everyday is a battle all because BAA won't improve the way security is handled.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 37):
I think these are all only a matter of time:

London STN
East Midlands
Edinburgh
Belfast BFS
Bristol

Regards

Mike

Well I am thinking of Belfast BFS. Northern Ireland people love hot holiday destinations and perhaps Belfast could support a weekly (definately not daily) A330 type to Dubai. We already have frequent long haul schedules/charters with A310/A330/757/767 to such places as Newark, Orlando, Sanford, Las Vegas, Cancun, Santo Domingo, Puerto Plata, Montego Bay, Toronto, Vancouver etc. With today's headlines in Northern Ireland, prosperity and wealth is likely to increase even further, house prices are rocketing and Dubai, although expensive compared with the 'Costas' is fast coming within the reach of a higher proportion of Northern Ireland folk.

Watch this space....
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:41 am

Maybe a weekly flight would work. There are alot of wealthy people in Northern Ireland who take alot of luxury holidays like cruises/golfing hols/pamper breaks and exotic hols. and they think nothing of spending £10,000 on a trip. So maybe EK would pick up some high revenue passengers out of the province.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:01 am

UK regional, long-haul routes tend to me dominated by two types, either feeders into hubs or high volume leisure routes. Somewhere like New York or Dubai tick both boxes and it is no surprise that these have done well out of ‘wide’ regional departure points e.g. ‘Northern England’, ‘Scotland’ and are now beginning to creep into sub-regional centres like the North East, the South West’ or are causing sub-divisions of wider markets e.g. ‘Scotland’ into Glasgow and Edinburgh. There is nothing to suggest the trend won’t continue and that means we will probably see entrants into the South West, Wales, Northern Ireland and sub-divisions of the Northern England market into airports like Doncaster or Leeds and some fragmentation of the Midlands market into East and West Midlands.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting A380Heavy (Reply 15):
Distance from EMA to BHX is 37.2 miles

Distance from LGW to LHR (Terminal 3) is 43.81 miles

A difference of 6.61 miles so I don't agree that EMA's proximity to BHX is an issue.

But theres a lot more people in London/South East than the Midlands.

I also think EMA is unlikely because I think DSA has a good chance. Any DSA-DXB service would make EMA-DXB very unlikely in my opinion
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:51 am

Might sound like an outside bet, but don't discount Bournemouth. Untapped catchment area, runway capable and socio-economically the punters are there too.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 49):
Might sound like an outside bet, but don't discount Bournemouth. Untapped catchment area, runway capable and socio-economically the punters are there too.

Not to mention one of the wealthest areas on the South.
 
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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 31):
I would vote for BRS - looking at the map of England, and the current coverage, it makes the most sense. They can use an A343/A332 for it, 1xDaily.

It's accessible to both the SW, South, and Wales, but the runway is only 6598ft long. I'm not sure what the fuel load would be for the A332 on the 3055nm flight to DXB, but also considering the elevation of over 600ft I think they may have some issues taking off with a full load year-round, not just heat - but other adverse weather, which could swing it towards CWL despite the lesser catchment area.

Quoting Comeflywithme (Reply 32):
Can Bristol handle an A340?

Nope, the shortest runway I know of which has seen an A343 was just over 7500ft and on a very short flight. It could possibly do DXB-BRS-CWL-DXB, but that would not make economic sense, although it would be great if they sold tickets on the BRS-CWL sector Wink

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 43):
No way in hell would an A330 ever land at Southampton - Bournemouth on the other hand; we've seen a few before!

Can they extend SOU, I heard rumors regarding this a while ago - perhaps the prospect of getting a major carrier like EK could push forwards any expansion plans.


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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:29 am

Quoting A380Heavy (Reply 15):
Distance from EMA to BHX is 37.2 miles

Distance from LGW to LHR (Terminal 3) is 43.81 miles

= There is a magnitudanal difference in comparing the 2 no ... the catchment areas are very different.

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RE: Emirates' Next UK Destination

Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:29 am

Surely would make sense to introduce a 4th frequency into LGW rather than starting up SOU or BOH??

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