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MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:28 am

A friend and myself were talking about MIA and their service to Europe.

We were trying to figure out how many flights IB offers out of MIA. We know they do a daily MAD flight, but do they also do a BCN flight? Also, does MP do a daily flight to AMS? Are the AY flights charters? And how about LT, what do they offer to DUS?

This is roughly what we figured.

VS-LHR
BA-LHR
BA-LHR
AA-LHR
IB-MAD
AA-MAD
AA-CDG
AF-CDG
AZ-MXP
LH-FRA
LX-ZRH
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:40 am

LT DUS
LT MUC

Filler
filler
filler

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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:49 am

From what I know...

Scheduled:

BA Double Daily to LHR.
VS Daily to LHR
AF Daily to CDG
IB Daily to MAD (Double Daily 3 days per week)
AA Daily to MAD
AA Daily to LHR (Double Daily on Saturdays)
AA Daily to CDG
AZ Daily to MXP
LX Daily to ZRH
LT 3 weekly to DUS & 3 weekly to MUC (I believe)
LH Daily to FRT

Past Scheduled Service:
LY to Helsinki (Seasonal), has not operated past two winters I believe.

MIA does get Charter service here and there from EU. Example: Eurofly from MXP, Thomascook etc.
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:57 am

El Al is at MIA 2 or 3 times a week. I believe they fly non-stop to TLV.
LH also has a non-stop service to MUC, but it is only seasonal. MP flies 763s to AMS but I believe it is also seasonal. They also fly in cargo on MD11.

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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:22 am

MP's flights to AMS are 6 times a week during the winter season, 5 times during the summer. All scheduled, not charter. On top of that many cargo flights.
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:30 am

AF hasn't a second daily flight from CDG during summer ?
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 3):
LH also has a non-stop service to MUC, but it is only seasonal.

The Lufthansa service to MUC wasn't operated during the last winter schedule. I don't know if LH has a spare aircraft as is it was operated a by leased B767 during the last winter period LH flew to MIA from MUC. Also the Swiss flight from ZRH is operated with a LH flight no. and it just went daily. So maybe that is enough capacity for the LH-Group. But I hope somebody knows if LH would bring back a nonstop service to MUC or not?
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 5):
AF hasn't a second daily flight from CDG during summer ?

Not this summer. Flights operate using 747-400s just like they did during this past winter.
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting Dj1986 (Reply 6):
The Lufthansa service to MUC wasn't operated during the last winter schedule. I don't know if LH has a spare aircraft as is it was operated a by leased B767 during the last winter period LH flew to MIA from MUC. Also the Swiss flight from ZRH is operated with a LH flight no. and it just went daily. So maybe that is enough capacity for the LH-Group. But I hope somebody knows if LH would bring back a nonstop service to MUC or not?

In my opinion there for sure is demand for the flight and a 330-300 could be filled up and so of course could a A340-300. I think LH are thinking about this flight from MUC again but LH currently does not really have the A/C for this flight.

BTW this flight does NOT operate anymore and was previously operated by a Lauda Air 767-300ER.

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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 3):
El Al is at MIA 2 or 3 times a week. I believe they fly non-stop to TLV.

I think the question were flights to Europe. Since when is TLV in Europe?
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting B752OS (Thread starter):
We know they do a daily MAD flight, but do they also do a BCN flight?

Actuallythat daily MAD flight is i fact a BCN flight. Most of Iberia's long-haul flights(IB6000) have a kind of tag-on to and from BCN. IB6123 is BCN-MAD-MIA altough a 340 is used for the long-haul and a 320-series is used for the internationalized MAD-BCN leg (Although it's a domestic flight and can carry local pax, int'l terminals are used at both MAD and BCN airports and pax have to go thru passport controls and inmigration)

The aircraft flying these sectors have plenty of "IB codeshares", one from each long-haul flight it's intended to connect to.
EX. IB6123 BCN-MAD-MIA, IB6275 BCN-MAD-ORD, the BCN-MAD leg carries both flight numbers and is flown with one aircarft.

The advantage for customers is these BCN-MAD legs on a long-haul flight are free, 0€ airfare or even less, because the ticket costs the same than a journey originating in MAD.
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:29 am

Good one for you guys, today IB was flying double daily to MAD from MIA; I noticed the 1st IB flight was listed in the departures board as IB to San Juan. Is San Juan not a non stop anymore? is the additional MIA flight via SJU?
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 9):
Since when is TLV in Europe?

Israel is sometimes considered to be in Europe. Geographically it's part of the Western Asian Levant of course, but culturally and historically it's become more akin to Europe. It's in the IATA European region, like Cyprus and Morocco.
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:56 am

Miami's European/Israel ops:


Alitalia - 7x 772 MXP
Air France - 7x 744 CDG
American - 7x 763 CDG; 9x 772 LHR; 7x 763 MAD
British Airways - 14x 744 LHR
El Al - 3x 762 TLV
Iberia - 10x 343 MAD
LTU - 3x 332 DUS; 2x 332 MUC
Lufthansa - 7x 744 FRA
Martinair Holland - 6x 763 AMS
Swiss - 7x 332 ZRH
Virgin Atlantic - 7x LHR 343

Air Plus Comet, MIA-MAD, supposed to begin in October, 3x weekly.
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:57 am

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 3):
El Al is at MIA 2 or 3 times a week. I believe they fly non-stop to TLV.

IIRC, it's also the longest non-stop flight in the world operated by a 762.

Whatever happened to the Russian carrier that was supposed to start non-stop service to Moscow?
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:04 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 14):

Whatever happened to the Russian carrier that was supposed to start non-stop service to Moscow?

Excellent question. They got DOT approval very late, which did not allow them to launch the service on time. Since then, they have put plans off, but keep the dormant route authority for MIA-DME.
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:30 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Virgin Atlantic - 7x LHR 343

Wow 343 service? talk about a downgrade in equipment. What happened to 744 & 346 service?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Alitalia - 7x 772 MXP

Is AZ doing MIA-MXP 772 year round now? not just seasonal 772/763
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:37 pm

I want to see TK on that route!!!!!!
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 16):
Is AZ doing MIA-MXP 772 year round now? not just seasonal 772/763

AZ only puts the 772 on the route as a seasonal thing.

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 16):
Wow 343 service? talk about a downgrade in equipment. What happened to 744 & 346 service?

Seasonal....just like AZ.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 17):
I want to see TK on that route!!!!!!

What route? IST-MIA?
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting B752os (Reply 18):
What route? IST-MIA?

yes IST-MIA or IST-MIA-LAX. I think there is enough demand for IST-MIA. I see it every day at FRA. Almost every day 25-30 people are flying in from IST with LH3345 and continue to MIA with LH462
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting B752os (Reply 18):
What route? IST-MIA?

TK flew to MIA from IST for a while using 343 but thanks to 911 this route was cut. Just like MIA-VIE on Austrian.

Quoting B752os (Reply 18):
Seasonal....just like AZ.

From my understanding VS has never done seasonal equipment downgrades with MIA. MIA-LHR is a busy route and if they want to compete with AA 772 and BA 744 service I don't see why they would downgrade to 343. The only swaps I have seen VS do is between 744 and 346. But hey I guess this change! dissapointing though.
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RE: MIA European Ops

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting B752OS (Thread starter):
Are the AY flights charters?



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 2):
Past Scheduled Service:
LY to Helsinki (Seasonal), has not operated past two winters I believe.

AY's scheduled HEL-MIA with MD-11 was seasonal and only operated for two winters (03-04 and 04-05), first with twice weekly and then thrice weekly. After that charters have been flown with B752 via Halifax, not this winter though, I believe.


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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 16):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Virgin Atlantic - 7x LHR 343

Wow 343 service? talk about a downgrade in equipment. What happened to 744 & 346 service?

My mistake. Virgin is a 346 year-round.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 19):
yes IST-MIA or IST-MIA-LAX. I think there is enough demand for IST-MIA. I see it every day at FRA. Almost every day 25-30 people are flying in from IST with LH3345 and continue to MIA with LH462

Alitalia also carries a significant amount of MIA-IST traffic. Istanbul is the single busiest connection city for Alitalia from Miami. However, despite a significant amount of MIA-IST demand, the yield isn't huge. It is a lot of VFR and leisure traffic.
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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 19):
yes IST-MIA or IST-MIA-LAX. I think there is enough demand for IST-MIA. I see it every day at FRA. Almost every day 25-30 people are flying in from IST with LH3345 and continue to MIA with LH462

I am curious if IST and TK offer enough connections for MIA passengers? LH is a much alrger airline with a larger European and African network than TK. I can't see 25-30 people being a decent enough O&D base to profitably fill a 343. And also when you consider that LY takes care of the Middle East from MIA, would a IST flight really work?

Btw...are there plans for LY to add a third or fourth weekly MIA-TLV flight?

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 20):
From my understanding VS has never done seasonal equipment downgrades with MIA. MIA-LHR is a busy route and if they want to compete with AA 772 and BA 744 service I don't see why they would downgrade to 343. The only swaps I have seen VS do is between 744 and 346. But hey I guess this change! dissapointing though.

I flew home to BOS from LHR last week and VS 005 was next to me and it was a 744.

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 20):
Just like MIA-VIE on Austrian.

How long did OS fly the route?
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting B752os (Reply 23):
I am curious if IST and TK offer enough connections for MIA passengers?

It wasn't about connections. There is a large Turkish community in Miami, and it was largely O&D. The problem is the yield isn't great, and the fact that the stage length was so long hurt it. Atlasjet, which is a holiday airline, has considered flying to Miami. They currently do not have the aircraft to, but they do have DOT route authority for Miami-Istanbul.

Quoting B752os (Reply 23):
How long did OS fly the route?

They actually flew MIA-MUC-VIE, in cooperation with Lufthansa. It was operated by LaudaAir, ended after 9/11, operated throughout the 1990s.

Quoting B752os (Reply 23):
Btw...are there plans for LY to add a third or fourth weekly MIA-TLV flight?

A third weekly was added this week. A fourth weekly is planned.
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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
My mistake. Virgin is a 346 year-round.

When I was transferring through MIA on Saturday it was a 747-400 and I could have sworn I saw two of them.
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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:52 am

Hi,

I believe MIA has a good batch of European airlines flying there. Go to MIA in the late afternoon and you'll see a good collection of planes and airlines from Europe (Not LH though, it departs at 3:30). Living in South Florida MIA is the gateway for international travel and being from Algeria, I start off my journey there everytime I go to visit family. I'm actually flying this summer!

LH MIA-FRA-ALG and back.

As for TK starting service, It all depends on TK's network in the middle east and Africa. There's a huge community of people from those regions in South Florida, and a TK flight could work in that case.

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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:10 am

When AY opped to FLL, were the flights nonstop in both/either directions, or were there tech/cnnxs involved?
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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:03 am

Not flying to Europe, but flying to Miami: Air France A320 or A319, and Martinair A319 or 320, I believe Martinair flies the A319 to San Jose-CR. and Air France is operating the Miami - Port Au Prince. Not long ago we had Iberia's 4 or 5 Miami based A319 that were used to Central America. Back in the 90's Miami used to have UTA (DC-10), Lauda(763), Balair (A310), Finnair (DC10 / MD11), Aeroflot (IL), 45 miles north At FLL we used to have Icelandair's 757 from Reykiavik and Condor (767).
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:37 am

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 28):
Not flying to Europe, but flying to Miami: Air France A320 or A319, and Martinair A319 or 320, I believe Martinair flies the A319 to San Jose-CR. and Air France is operating the Miami - Port Au Prince. Not long ago we had Iberia's 4 or 5 Miami based A319 that were used to Central America. Back in the 90's Miami used to have UTA (DC-10), Lauda(763), Balair (A310), Finnair (DC10 / MD11), Aeroflot (IL), 45 miles north At FLL we used to have Icelandair's 757 from Reykiavik and Condor (767).

Martinair has an A320 based in MIA which flies MIA-SJO as a feeder flight from the 6xweekly AMS-MIA flight on the 767-300. The flight was operated by a chartered 737-800 before.


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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:01 pm

Quoting AH332 (Reply 26):
As for TK starting service, It all depends on TK's network in the middle east and Africa. There's a huge community of people from those regions in South Florida, and a TK flight could work in that case.

I don't think we will see Turkish come back. However, with Royal Jordanian joining oneWorld and expanding their long-haul fleet, I do think that it is possible we will see RJ return to Miami in 2-3 years. They discontinued Miami (and Los Angeles) at the start of the Gulf War.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 27):
When AY opped to FLL, were the flights nonstop in both/either directions, or were there tech/cnnxs involved?

Via Bangor.

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 29):

Martinair has an A320 based in MIA which flies MIA-SJO as a feeder flight from the 6xweekly AMS-MIA flight on the 767-300. The flight was operated by a chartered 737-800 before.

The A320 is in Martinair colours, but operated by TACA. A good amount of the traffic isn't feeder at all, but local. They have local traffic rights, and are popular with travel agents.
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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
Via Bangor

...guessing it was a 752 then?
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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 12):
Israel is sometimes considered to be in Europe. Geographically it's part of the Western Asian Levant of course, but culturally and historically it's become more akin to Europe. It's in the IATA European region, like Cyprus and Morocco.

No Israel is not in the IATA Europe region. It is in the Middle East region. Cyprus was also part of the IATA Middle East group until a few years ago when it was transferred to the Europe region, shortly before Cyprus joined the EU.

Countries in geographical Africa which are also part of the IATA Europe region are Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia. Egypt and Sudan which are geographically in Africa are part of the IATA Middle East region.
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:51 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 29):
Martinair has an A320 based in MIA which flies MIA-SJO as a feeder flight from the 6xweekly AMS-MIA flight on the 767-300. The flight was operated by a chartered 737-800 before

The Martinair/Lacsa 320 is actually based in SJO, and operates to both MIA and MCO from there where it indeed connects to the 767 to AMS.
 
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RE: MIA European Ops

Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
Quoting MIASkies (Reply 16):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Virgin Atlantic - 7x LHR 343

Wow 343 service? talk about a downgrade in equipment. What happened to 744 & 346 service?

My mistake. Virgin is a 346 year-round.

Right. And quite often they substitute with 744

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