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Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:32 am

Flight Global is reporting that two Russian airlines are considering an improved TU-204SM, with V2500 engines!
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...91/tu-204sm-sales-in-prospect.html

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Two Russian carriers, S7 Airlines and Avialinii 400, are in discussions to acquire the new version of the Tupolev Tu-204, the SM, with deals for a total of 35 aircraft being touted, writesDavid Kaminski-Morrow.
The newly developed version of the twinjet will offer improved performance and could be powered by the International Aero Engines V2500. Siberia's S7, which has agreed a memorandum of understanding with lessor Ilyushin-Finance for 15 Tu-204SMs, has not specified the engines it has selected, although the carrier's commercial director Anton Yeremin says: "With the new engines the aircraft will be more efficient than the baseline version. It will allow substantial savings in fuel consumption."

Would this be a new version of the V2500?

[Edited 2007-03-26 22:33:37]
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RE: Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:05 am

Great to see a few orders for this aircraft !!!
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:19 am

The RR powered version is a very good aircraft but the support, spares, and back-up is terrible.
I hope the new version gets off the ground. You never know a this could do well in the non ex soviet states?


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RE: Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:31 am

Even with the long backlog for A321 or 737-900ER, there really isn't a compelling reason for any airline in the western world to consider an improved Tu-204.
 
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RE: Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
Even with the long backlog for A321 or 737-900ER, there really isn't a compelling reason for any airline in the western world to consider an improved Tu-204.

Not in the western world but maybe in Russia, China, Africa or the Middle East.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:04 am

Id like to know the opinion of members on why the TU204 looks so similar in configuration to the A320, given that they were developed around the same time. Even the shape of the cockpit windows look uncanny. Coincidence?  Smile

Seriously, its great to see these things, Im a huge fan of russian birds (and the planes arnt bad either  Wink ) and would love to see more sales, although there are massive practicality issues outside of Russia/Ukraine/Belarus etc.
 
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RE: Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:12 am

TNT operate the Tu-204. It is very good and they are happy with it but TU let it down with support.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
Even with the long backlog for A321 or 737-900ER, there really isn't a compelling reason for any airline in the western world to consider an improved Tu-204.

No I don't go with this. If the price is right and they give a good package,support and with a big order why not? I still think a major in the west will go with this type of aircraft in the near future.

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
maybe in Russia, China, Africa or the Middle East

Yes a massive market in this part of the world.
 
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RE: Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting DHHornet (Reply 6):
Yes a massive market in this part of the world.

- China will soon begin license-building the A320, which would be strongly favored over the Tu-204. There are also strong indications they will begin developing their own indigenous commercial transports.
- Airbus and Boeing both have exceedingly strong customer relations in the Middle East, minus Iran. But last time I checked, the aviation world did not hinge on Iran
- African airlines likewise continue to order predominately Airbus and Boeing products, from the modern A320, 737NG, and 777 to the cutting-edge 787.

The only real hope Russia has for an export aircraft is the Sukhoi Superjet.

Quoting DHHornet (Reply 6):
No I don't go with this. If the price is right and they give a good package,support and with a big order why not? I still think a major in the west will go with this type of aircraft in the near future.

If the price is right? Try - if the price is free. Western airlines didn't even sniff at a Rolls-Royce powered Tu-204, what is an IAE engine going to change anything?

I would love to hear your list of major western airlines that would even bother glancing at this aircraft.
 
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RE: Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:46 am

Maybe the upper end V2500-D5 would be sufficient to do the job, given this?

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In addition to using more efficient engines, the Tu-204SM would have a reduced operating weight. Maximum range with full payload would be around 3,600km (1,950nm).

Most likely it would be very risky on IAE's part to develop an entirely new engine for this venture, consequently the airframe manufacturer is reducing the OEW. According to IAE's web site, the D5 version tops out at 33,000 lbs thrust. Still, this is considerably less thrust than the Rolls-Royce RB211535E4.
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RE: Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
China will soon begin license-building the A320, which would be strongly favored over the Tu-204. There are also strong indications they will begin developing their own indigenous commercial transports.

But Air China have just got some new ones delivered. So if they perform maybe a follow on order?

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
I would love to hear your list of major western airlines that would even bother glancing at this aircraft

Yeah ok!  white 
What I am getting at is never say never. Who say min 15 years ago would of believed that Embraer and Brazil would of seen off and out lived Fokker,Dornier, BAe etc... So the ex Commies will come!

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
The only real hope Russia has for an export aircraft is the Sukhoi Superjet.

Maybe? SAS have had a look at them.
It all comes down to support and back-up from the manufactures in this part of the world. They are years behined in this department. The aircraft are still very good.
 
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RE: Improved TU-204 On The Way?

Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:19 am

Yes, S7 will probably get a few of the new birds, as they were in talks with TU last week. Here is a link of a thread I posted with the article in it.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3319902

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