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Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:18 am

Air Europa began MAD-EZE operations today with flight UX 041 landing at 09:16 with a A332. The return flight UX 042 was supposed to leave EZE at 11:25 but ended up leaving at 13.08.
So another player in this route, replacing Air Madrid, but hopefully with better results  Wink
Air Europa was already present in this route but as a codeshare with Southern Winds, always using their aircrafts until A4 stopped operations.

Any info on what a/c used for this inaugural flight?


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LipeGIG
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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:50 am

They are using an Airbus A330-200.

Will be a 3x weekly service, always with A332. On Sundays flight UX048 will depart EZE at 0215 arriving MAD at 1925.

Air Europa is growing quickly on a traditional IB area: South America. They are flying 4x weekly to GIG and 3x weekly to SSA with plans to become daily on both flights.

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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:33 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
Air Europa is growing quickly on a traditional IB area: South America.

But how is their product and service. They are about to become a Skyteam associate member and thus a good alternative for persistent mileage whores, yet I've read horror stories about the inflight product and the overall customer care. How does all of this compare to IB?
 
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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:43 pm

What about Air Comet ? They seem to place themselves as an alternative to Air Madrid. Will they will to EZE ?

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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:15 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
On Sundays flight UX048 will depart EZE at 0215 arriving MAD at 1925

What an inconvenient departure time, as well as bad arrival time !. I just don´t get it. Is it because lack of slots at EZE, aircraft rotation, ??

Arriving in MAD at 19.25 does not have much sense in terms of connex, unless most of the pax are O/D , does it ? Anyway, I would prefer to leave on afternoon and arrive in MAD at noon.
 
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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
Air Europa is growing quickly on a traditional IB area: South America. They are flying 4x weekly to GIG and 3x weekly to SSA with plans to become daily on both flights.

They also fly 5x weekly to CCS.

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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
yet I've read horror stories about the inflight product and the overall customer care.

Do you believe all kind of stories you can hear or reading?

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 3):
What about Air Comet ?

Air Comet and AR are the same company, both belong Marsans Group.

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 4):
Is it because lack of slots at EZE, aircraft rotation, ??

I think so, otherwise I agree with you that's an odd time.
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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 4):
What an inconvenient departure time, as well as bad arrival time !. I just don´t get it. Is it because lack of slots at EZE, aircraft rotation, ??

Yes, they have a huge use on their aircraft. On all long-haul bases they keep a very quick turn-around:

UX71 MAD 1430 CCS 1830 Daily except Monday/Friday
UX72 CCS 1955 MAD 1050 (+1) Same day return

UX45 MAD 1415 GIG 1955 Monday/Wednesday/Friday
UX46 GIG 2150 MAD 1300 (+1) Same Day return

UX47 MAD 1545 EZE 0015 (+1) Saturday
UX41 MAD 0100 EZE 0925 Monday / Thursday
UX43 MAD 1025 EZE 1750 Friday
UX48 EZE 0215 MAD 1925 Sunday
UX42 EZE 1125 MAD 0435 (+1) Monday / Thursday
UX44 EZE 2025 MAD 1335 (+1) Friday

UX83 MAD 1640 SSA 2035 Tuesday / Thursday / Saturday
UX84 SSA 2220 MAD 1155 (+1) Same day return

UX63 MAD 1435 CUN 1820 Daily except Thursday (EQV)
UX64 CUN 2000 MAD 1300 (+1) Same day return (EQV)

UX51 MAD 0900 HAV 1250 Tuesday
UX51 MAD 1505 HAV 1900 Daily except Tuesday / Sunday
UX51 MAD 1600 HAV 1955 Sunday
UX52 HAV 1450 MAD 0620 (+1) Tuesday
UX52 HAV 2100 MAD 1215 (+1) Daily except Tuesday / Sunday
UX52 HAV 2200 MAD 1315 (+1) Sunday

UX33 MAD 1300 PUJ 1605 Wednesday (763)
UX33 MAD 1530 PUJ 1810 Monday / Friday / Sunday (763)
UX34 PUJ 1805 MAD 0805 (+1) Wednesday (763)
UX34 PUJ 2010 MAD 1020 (+1) Monday / Friday / Sunday (763)

UX89 MAD 1500 SDQ 1800 Daily except Wednesday / Thursday (763)
UX89 MAD 1600 SDQ 1900 Thursday (763)
UX88 SDQ 2005 MAD 1050 Daily except Wednesday (763)

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
But how is their product and service. They are about to become a Skyteam associate member and thus a good alternative for persistent mileage whores, yet I've read horror stories about the inflight product and the overall customer care

Heard comments about UX in SSA and GIG and the feedback was positive. Seems that the A332 helps a lot on this with a little more comfort.

Concerning to EZE, probably aircraft rotation. They have 3 A332. One they use on CCS (except Monday / friday) . The other is shared between GIG and SSA. The third runs a Saturday flight to EZE that arrives at 0015 (on Sunday). It's the only available window on the weekend as it seems they run the network with 6 jets (3 A332 and 3 763) and for South America, seems that they mainly used the A332.

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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:01 am

Well Congrats to a good airline entering this route. May the loads be profitable.

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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
a good alternative for persistent mileage whores

Quoting Meredith Grey, "you don't get to call me a whore".  Silly

I have heard that UX is very inconsistent in terms of on board service, so I too hope that they will raise standards now that they are about to join SkyTeam. I am a SkyTeam fan, so I am excited about the expansion of the alliance and wish UX all the best as an associate.

Felipe, afaik, the "EQV" plane to CUN is a 767-300ER.
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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:32 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 3):
What about Air Comet ? They seem to place themselves as an alternative to Air Madrid. Will they will to EZE ?



Quoting SKY1 (Reply 6):
Air Comet and AR are the same company, both belong Marsans Group.

Correct, they are all part of Marsans, but if I'm not mistaken, A7 has 2 or 3 weekly flights MAD-EZE non stop on their A343.
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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:35 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
Felipe, afaik, the "EQV" plane to CUN is a 767-300ER.

Thanks Eddie, i suppose they could use the A332 on one of the frequencies at least because they have a little availability on their A332 fleet at least for now.

They used the A332 for 3 SSA, 3/4 GIG, 4 EZE and 5 CCS. Total 16 weekly flights up to 21 possible. But they have plans to run daily flights to GIG.

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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:52 pm

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 6):
Do you believe all kind of stories you can hear or reading?

I don't. That's why I was asking for personal experiences, because, as it goes, I only have the Skytrax customer comments to go by, and those are certainly not very positive. On the other hand, I know firsthand that Skytrax is not always the best source for reliable information, hence my question, but thanks for reminding me that I shouldn't believe all kinds of stories I hear. After 10 years of working in the airline industry, I didn't yet know that.
 
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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
They used the A332 for 3 SSA, 3/4 GIG, 4 EZE and 5 CCS. Total 16 weekly flights up to 21 possible. But they have plans to run daily flights to GIG.

About UX, it was a pity their flights to China didn't work  Sad

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 12):
I know firsthand that Skytrax is not always the best source for reliable information

I admit when I'm depressed I find console and laugh reading Skytrax  Silly It doesn't let down.
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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:42 am

Don't know yet for their long-haul operations, but their 737s look good and the cabin staff has always been very attentive everytime I've flown them (and that usually means at least once a month).

I'd expect the same standards on their brand new (max. 1 year old) A330s
 
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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 13):
About UX, it was a pity their flights to China didn't work

Agree, but it creates space for more Latin American flights !  Smile

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RE: Air Europa Begins MAD-EZE

Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 13):
About UX, it was a pity their flights to China didn't work

I am surprised to hear this news... I didn't know UX had canceled their flights to PEK.... why didn't the route work? I'm shock that there is no Spanish airline linking the two countries... I actually remember seeing the UX A340 at PEK last year, and I even saw a lot of spanish tourists in PEK, so I would think that UX flights would be a good thing... Maybe they needed a better product to atract customers.... I know I would not fly with IB or UX unless in business as their Y product is not up to the competition... Also, what happened to their A340? and when did they order A330s? Thanks...
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