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Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:35 am

I'm a mere 5' 10" and 170 pounds but still find a way to get uncomfortable in most airline seats (thank goodness for UA's E+ product) - apparently, I'm not alone. I haven't had the chance to test out Virgin's new Y class seats - are they everything they're cracked up to be? Any other Y class seats stick out as really good or really bad?

Link and article courtesy of the Chicago Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel....story?coll=chi-homepagetravel-hed

What are the chances that at some point the Dept of Transportation will step in and mandate minimum seat sizes? Better yet, what are the chances that the Dept of Health and Human Services will regulate caloric intake?! Is it even possible that the average American woman weighs 164 lbs?!



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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:40 am

Regulate caloric intake? What?
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Siz

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:42 am

I'm 6'2", and 235 pounds. I don't have any issue with width at all, but on every single flight my knees are jammed up on the seat in front of me, and if they recline, then forget it.

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):

What are the chances that at some point the Dept of Transportation will step in and mandate minimum seat sizes?

I guess it's possible, but I don't really see how they could without taking space from something else.

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Better yet, what are the chances that the Dept of Health and Human Services will regulate caloric intake?

Hell will freeze over. My thought is, if people want to eat like they do, they should be allowed to, but weight is your own problem.
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
What are the chances that at some point the Dept of Transportation will step in and mandate minimum seat sizes?

Hopefully, they won't. I don't see how its even possible. Airbus seats can be widened, if they aren't already. But 737 seats can't be, I don't think.

So, in the meantime, passengers of size should just purchase two seats.

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Better yet, what are the chances that the Dept of Health and Human Services will regulate caloric intake?!

Yes, there will be a calorie counter installed on your mouth and it will be attached to a stick of dynamite. If you exceed 2,000 calories a day you are blown to smithereens.
 
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:58 am

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
What are the chances that at some point the Dept of Transportation will step in and mandate minimum seat sizes?

Unlikely.

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Better yet, what are the chances that the Dept of Health and Human Services will regulate caloric intake?!

Yeah, right.

My opinion: Almost all cases of obesity are preventable. If the seats aren't wide enough for you, buy two seats. Better yet, hit the treadmill. Why should the airlines spend money adapting to people who choose not to take care of themselves?

On the contrary, height is obviously a result of genetics (usually). Therefore, I can sympathize with tall people.
 
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:07 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 3):

Yes, there will be a calorie counter installed on your mouth and it will be attached to a stick of dynamite. If you exceed 2,000 calories a day you are blown to smithereens.

I think that's a great idea! Big grin
(although I'm pretty sure my caloric intake per day is well over 2,000 lol, it's just not a reasonable number. but maybe a limit more like 3,000 and it could work...  smirk 
 
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting N776AU (Reply 2):
but weight is your own problem.

So person A has reasonable eating habits, and sets aside an hour every other day to go biking, hiking, etc. They payed for 1 full seat, but only get to use 3/4 of that, and are squashed up against the wall.
Person B opted to eat more than they need and exercise less than they should. They payed for 1 full seat, but use a seat plus a bit, squashing Person A against the wall.

But it's only Person B's problem, right?  sarcastic 

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 4):
On the contrary, height is obviously a result of genetics (usually). Therefore, I can sympathize with tall people.

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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Siz

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 3):
So, in the meantime, passengers of size should just purchase two seats.

This afternoon I was flying on a CO E-145. In the waiting area was a HUGE man. I quietly asked the gate agent if the guy had to buy two tickets. The agent said, "We try not to get into that." Coward, I thought to myself.

When we boarded the plane the huge guy was of course seated next to another man of more reasonable, but still pretty big girth. The poor F/A (no lightweight herself) played mix and match, switching people around to try to wedge them all in. At last she succeeded, but it annoyed a number of normal-sized passengers and took at least 10 minutes of musical chairs delaying our departure slightly. Fortunately it was a short CLE-DCA flight.

It seems as if the airlines should ask for antitrust immunity to discuss the question of fat. They need to get serious in some joint fashion about requiring the two-seat purchase. Maybe they need a sizing seat for people like the box used to check the size of carry-on baggage.
 
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 7):
Maybe they need a sizing seat for people like the box used to check the size of carry-on baggage.

HAHAHA Brilliant!

If I'm not mistaken WN has or used to have a policy of requiring persons of size to purhcase an extra seat if they could not comfortably fit into one. I think many of them count on the flight not being completely full and ask the gate agent to block an extra seat next to them and of course without assigned seating they just assume no one (except the last one to board a sold out flight) will sit next to them. I've noticed some don't want the hassle (or embarassment) and will go first class when available.

It is becoming more of a problem these days.... I had a flight recently that required 7 seatbelt extensions to be handed out.
 
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:56 pm

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
I haven't had the chance to test out Virgin's new Y class seats - are they everything they're cracked up to be?

In terms of IFE, yes. In terms of room or comfort, no.

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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:56 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 7):
Maybe they need a sizing seat for people like the box used to check the size of carry-on baggage.

Like the sample seat they always have outside the main entrance to roller coasters.

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 3):
Yes, there will be a calorie counter installed on your mouth and it will be attached to a stick of dynamite. If you exceed 2,000 calories a day you are blown to smithereens.

And what about those like me who are 6'4" but only 170 lbs with a high metabolism and work out who can consume whatever the hell we want?  biggrin 

Quoting N776AU (Reply 2):
I'm 6'2", and 235 pounds. I don't have any issue with width at all, but on every single flight my knees are jammed up on the seat in front of me, and if they recline, then forget it.

Yea, same here. I always request an exit row at check-in or at the gate. Yesterday I managed the forward bulkhead row on an FL 717. The awesome part is the "bulkhead" is a curtain the extends only about halfway down the last row of Biz Class seats. I kid you not, those seats have just as much legroom as the Biz Class seats.  Smile

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Better yet, what are the chances that the Dept of Health and Human Services will regulate caloric intake?!

GOD NO!
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:16 pm

As much as I've spouted off my opinion about WN and their "Cattle-herd" seating method, I VERY MUCH like the fact they require people who have a perceived B.M.I. of well over 30 to purchase two seats. If a flight isn't full, then they can refund the difference. Good policy. DL and the others should follow!
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:20 pm

Is it my imagination (or denial that I have put on weight) or are some airline seats actually getting narrower? I flew GA economy on a 738 and that seat certainly felt more cramped than on the older 733/734. Also, there is so much extra hardware for IFE these days that many arm rests swallow up space in just the places that I need space for myself - not to mention those irritating metal boxes under window seats on most 777's.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:30 pm

We could take this a step further and discuss why jumpseats haven't changed if people have gotten bigger. Surely flight attendants have gotten bigger (here comes the onslaught of comments) if the rest of passengers have. What of pilots?

If people are getting bigger, why are car seats still the same size? Why not bigger, wider more comfortable seats? If people are getting bigger, why are restaurant chairs/booths and the like the same size as before? Why should airlines take the brunt of the increasing size of the general public? You could take this to no end and every extreme.

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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:36 pm

Here's a suggestion....if you need a seat belt extension, you need to buy another seat!
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting ASAFA (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken WN has or used to have a policy of requiring persons of size to purhcase an extra seat if they could not comfortably fit into one.

Actually, all airlines have this policy. The reason why it was made so public a couple of years ago is due to our open-seating policy. If a customer of size buys a ticket on Delta, for example, the customer knows the airline will most likely sell the seat next to them and therefore, voluntarily purchase the second seat. At Southwest, they know about our seating policy, so they simply purchase the 1 seat and will block the other during boarding. This isn't a problem until the flight is full. When that happens the other customer has to deal with only 1/2 a seat. For consistency, we enforce the purchase of a 2nd seat if the customer is large enough that they can't sit in their seat with both armrests down.
 
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:50 pm

While on this subject.
The average asians are much smaller than american/european, does it mean most of asian airliners using less fuel ?
Well which means higher profit of course.
 
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RE: Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size!

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
If people are getting bigger, why are car seats still the same size? Why not bigger, wider more comfortable seats? If people are getting bigger, why are restaurant chairs/booths and the like the same size as before? Why should airlines take the brunt of the increasing size of the general public? You could take this to no end and every extreme.

Because "enabling" is the biggest reason why so many people are overweight and obese. If everything is made bigger and wider and sturdier and stay open all hours, there is no reason for overweight people to lose weight because they can then still fit into seats and buy snacks 24/7 etc...

I work in a hospital and the number of patients coming in with medical conditions caused partly or mostly by overweight is growing rapidly. Patients often say that it is so hard to shed the extra weight because there far too many temptations out there, food-wise, and it is much more comfortable and fun to lie on the couch and watch TV than play sports or go for a walk. The lack of motivation to take care of one's own health is staggering and this is one of the biggest challenges the health care system is facing now.

Car seats, airplane seats, restaurant chairs etc should remain at the size they are today, to force people to stay at normal/healty body sizes. The human body is not designed to weigh 250lbs or more. I myself gain weight easily, partly due to genes, therefore I watch my diet and make sure I don't gain so much that I cannot lose it without too much hassle. I have flown Europe-Asia-Australia-US-Europe many times in seats 17" wide @ 31" pitch and survived, so today's seats are adequate enough.
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