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An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:44 am

I was taking a stroll under Concourse B this evening....something which I have done pretty frequently as of late. As I neared the end of the terminal, I happened to to stop for a second to take a look at an old door under gate B-9 which used to lead to an ops room of some sort. Not sure why the door caught my eye, but I'm glad it did. I took out my trusty pocket flashlight and flashed it on the door. And I'd be lying if I told you that what I saw didn't out a huge grin on my face. There it was...hidden behind dust which I wiped off...faded but easily legible...

PAN AM

I could even make out the faded outline of the globe underneath.

So now that I have found PA's old ops office...which looks like has not seen any use since 12/4/91...my next objective is to get in it somehow and see what, if anything, is left in there.

After many years of searching for traces of Pan Am at MSY, I found it tonight. And I couldn't be happier.
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:07 pm

Sounds like another cold case solved  duck  Did Pan Am serve MSY prior to the merger with National?
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:18 pm

See what kind of memorabilia that might be in there, put it on e-bay  Wink
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
After many years of searching for traces of Pan Am at MSY, I found it tonight. And I couldn't be happier.

One of my few trips on PanAm (the original one) was near the end, when they had a better fare than WN from Dallas to MSY. I took them there and back for the weekend on a 727. Lovely, classy, wonderful, world-class short flight.

[Edited 2007-03-27 05:26:35]
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:38 pm

I had a similar (though overall less exciting) experience once at DFW a year or two ago. There was some construction going on in one of the AA terminals, and I accidentally wandered into some sort of service area -- I think it was either a maintenance area for the old TrAAin, or maybe an old loading platform for it. On the wall there was a sign that directed passengers to two airlines I had never heard of, Chapparal and ... something like Metro Airlines (anyone have any idea what it might have been?). I looked up the airlines later, and that sign would have been from 1985 at the latest. I wish I had gotten a picture, and I'm particularly kicking myself since I think I had a camera on me at the time.
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting N844AA (Reply 4):
something like Metro Airlines (anyone have any idea what it might have been?).

Well, Metro was gone before I moved to Houston, thus this carrier remains a mystery to me. However from what little info that I have gathered about Metro, they were a Clear Lake City/NASA based commuter carrier that operated out of a very unique STOL airport at Clear Lake City (which is now long gone), though most of their ops were routed via IAH. The carrier operated from the late 60s up until the mid 80s, when they moved to DFW (I was told they were made apart of AA Eagle). Again this info that I acquired 2nd hand so some it may not be completely accurate. I welcome any insights on this short lived intriguing airline.


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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
However from what little info that I have gathered about Metro, they were a Clear Lake City/NASA based commuter carrier that operated out of a very unique STOL airport at Clear Lake City (which is now long gone), though most of their ops were routed via IAH.

Interesting! Thanks for the info. After I saw that sign, I posted a thread about it, and anyone interested in this topic would probably be interested in some of the replies to it:

http://airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2038068

The "Ask the Pilot" author (and poster on this message board) writes occasionally about how he was able to explore BOS as a kid in ways that would be unthinkable today due to security. I wonder how many more defunct corporate logos would turn up with that kind of access.
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:47 pm

Quoting N844AA (Reply 6):
The "Ask the Pilot" author (and poster on this message board) writes occasionally about how he...

"She", isn't it?
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:56 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 7):
"She", isn't it?

He is, as far as I know, male. He's got an "Ask the Pilot" column out there somewhere about how he nearly killed himself in an attempt to impress a date on a flight out to Martha's Vineyard (or some such place.) Not that that's dispositive, of course, but his description of the young lady was memorable and didn't strike me as something a female would write. Re-reading that, I think I'm making it sound like he described her lewdly or profanely; not at all -- just very memorably.
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Did Pan Am serve MSY prior to the merger with National?

Pan Am flew from MSY to Central America for many years. I believe PA pulled out of MSY in 1974, in the aftermath of the first energy crisis.
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting N844AA (Reply 8):
He is, as far as I know, male. He's got an "Ask the Pilot" column out there somewhere about how he nearly killed himself in an attempt to impress a date on a flight out to Martha's Vineyard (or some such place.) Not that that's dispositive, of course, but his description of the young lady was memorable and didn't strike me as something a female would write. Re-reading that, I think I'm making it sound like he described her lewdly or profanely; not at all -- just very memorably.

His name is Patrick, so I'd tend to believe he's a male. He's also a poster on this forum...forget his name off the top of my head, but I've seen several of his posts here.
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:08 am

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 9):
I believe PA pulled out of MSY in 1974, in the aftermath of the first energy crisis.

And after the merger it was sort of an on again, off again affair.

Pan Am flew most of the former NA routes until 1983, when the big downsizing began. Then, they left the airport entirely in 1985...apparently they owed the airport a few hundred thousand dollars at that point. They came back in 1988 (and I made sure I wa at the airport for the inagural arrival...very exciting!) with a daily flight to SAT and JFK, and expanded service to MIA and AUS in 1989. By the time 1990 rolled around, they were doing the following:

MSY-CLT (continuing to JFK) 1x daily
MSY-DFW (2x daily)
MSY-MIA (2x daily)

And of course right before they went under, just MSY-MIA.

The airline has always held a special place in my heart, and everytime I see that logo it perks me up.

I will get into that office real soon and see what I can find. Not a question of if, but when.
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:17 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 3):
One of my few trips on PanAm (the original one) was near the end, when they had a better fare than WN from Dallas to MSY. I took them there and back for the weekend on a 727. Lovely, classy, wonderful, world-class short flight

You know, I remember that PA used to have $100 rountrip fares in that market. They always beat out WN, DL, and AA. Two flights a day, which originated in Miami. I begged and pleaded with my folks to take a flight to DFW for a day, but to no avail.
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:45 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
I will get into that office real soon and see what I can find. Not a question of if, but when.

.....and how.

Of course, if you'd ever bother to return a phone call, you might find that getting in that office is way easier than you thought.....and probably a lot more legal.

Then again you would've known what else was discovered here yesterday  wink 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:50 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 13):
.....and how.

Of course, if you'd ever bother to return a phone call, you might find that getting in that office is way easier than you thought.....and probably a lot more legal.

How? I was going to ask you, of course.  

[Edited 2007-03-27 17:52:45]
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 13):
Of course, if you'd ever bother to return a phone call

Indeed

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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:33 am

Well, nothing exciting to report, unfortunately.

My good friend Mr. Tom checked it out for me, and as it turns out, it's an old locksmith shop in the room...nothing "Pan Am" about it anymore except for the words on the door. Oh well...not every treasure chest contains gold. Bollocks!
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 15):
Indeed

I, at least, leave messages  wink  ...

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 16):
it's an old locksmith shop in the room

It does indeed pass for the old PanAm ops office.....it's split up into about three work areas, and there's a restroom in there.

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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 17):
I, at least, leave messages...

Pbbttth, please... you mortals should be happy for my very presence on your phone  Yeah sure
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 18):
Pbbttth, please... you mortals should be happy for my very presence on your phone

Happy with getting constant calls while i'm busy doing Supervisory stuff? Ha...I think not.  Wink
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:13 am

...not my fault you can't walk and chew gum  Wink
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:40 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
Pan Am flew most of the former NA routes until 1983, when the big downsizing began. Then, they left the airport entirely in 1985

Don't forget the one they crashed in July 1982 due to windshear.....
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:58 am

Thats so cool. I hope you remember this forever.

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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:21 am

Quoting N844AA (Reply 8):
He is, as far as I know, male.

Ahhhh. There is a female pilot that writes the "Ask the Pilot" column for, I think, USA Today. I think I have seen her post here as well. Sorry for the confusion. Obviously not a trademarked column name. Duh. (That's a "Duh" on me, not you.)
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:43 am

Believe me Lucky42, we haven't forgotten.....and after having seen some of the local police department's more graphic crash photos, I don't think I ever will.

Btw, some of the lots that houses were on where the plane crashed have yet to be rebuilt...just empty lots.

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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:38 pm

How exciting to find something as simple as a sign on the door - I share your excitement!

Back when PanAm left MSY the first time in the mid-80's I was working for an airline that took over some space in a hanger that PA had leased or maybe owned (?). I was assigned the task of cleaning up their 'storage' area - might as well have struck gold. Bascially I was told to get rid of everything that would not be needed in this area to make way for my carrier's 'stuff'. Well, you can imagine the items in there ... blankets in plastic cases, playing cards, a handful of those famous posters, aircraft safety cards - just tons of stuff that would no longer be needed - PA just left it there.

Naturally I have a stash of this memorabilia and have traded some of it off over the years.

Those PanAm blankets come in handy for football games in the fall...!

Long lives the memories of a worldly carrier!

P.S. I'm not sure where this hanger is today or if it is even still standing at MSY .. I failed to mention I did this task of cleaing out the space in August ... in Louisiana .. you can imagine how swealtering it was that day. Not one of my more glamourous task to say the least! I eventually was promoted.. ha!
 
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:29 pm

Metro was split into two separate divisions: one codeshared with AA at DFW and the other codeshared with EA at IAH. Actually, I'm not sure they used the majors' designators, so maybe it was more of an interline thing. I worked the "Metro Desk" at Eastern's Atlanta Rez Center in 1982 & 1983 (Damn, I'm old!). Out of IAH, Metro served Clear Lake City, Beaumont, Lafayette, Longview, Victoria, Lake Jackson, and others I can't remember. There was also an unconnected San Antonio to Laredo route theat, I think, operated on Saturday only. Shorts 330s and Twin Otters were used. Metro also used Convair 580s on some Dallas runs. I believe Metro's Dallas division was the foundation of American Eagle. The Houston division may have had a part in the formation of Eastern Metro Express out of Atlanta (not sure on that one).
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RE: An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:18 am

Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 25):
I'm not sure where this hanger is today or if it is even still standing at MSY ..

Depending on who we would have rented it out to post-Pan Am, and if it was a full-blown hangar on the AOA, or if it was part of an air cargo building, then...

Hangars:
Delta: was DL's beyond 20 years ago, used as temporary morgue after Pan-Am crash---DHL now leases, heavily damaged after Katrina, may be torn down and rebuilt depending on insurance.
Eastern: was EA's beyond 20 years ago, reverted back to Aviation Board's use, we turned it into our auto mechanic's shop. Torn down probably 10 years ago.
There's one other possibility.....a hangar that when I arrived here was being leaed by Royale Airlines. It currently houses helicopters used by off-shore petroleum drilling firms (PHI, Era)

Air Cargo buildings: all are still standing and in use with the exception of building 6, which was just torn dorn in the past two months.

Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 25):
I was assigned the task of cleaning up their 'storage' area

I did the same with an Air Atlanta office in the terminal years ago.

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