LY777
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Does LY Still Fly To Eilat City (ETH)

Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:06 pm

Do you know if LY still fly to ETH (not OVDA) with its own a/c. Until 2000, I used to fly CDG-ETH with them (with 757s, 738s and even once with a 762!).
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lxlgu
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RE: Does LY Still Fly To Eilat City (ETH)

Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:12 pm

Hi LY777

No direct PARIS EILAT only OVDA

You fly via TEL AVIV to EILAT-EL AL have codeshare with ISRAIR

Hope this helps!

Cheers!
Tony
 
LY777
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RE: Does LY Still Fly To Eilat City (ETH)

Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:53 pm

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 1):
You fly via TEL AVIV to EILAT-EL AL have codeshare with ISRAIR

thanks. Talking about Israir, Israir has now a very bad reputation here in France, concerning the security and maintenance of the a/c. A friend of mine who studies with me told me yesterday(in French, of course): "people should stop flying with Israir, too many incidents happened lately; their maintenance is not OK because they don't have money"
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LXA340
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RE: Does LY Still Fly To Eilat City (ETH)

Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:17 pm

True they had already a few incidents with their ATR's and I think last week their B763 had to make an emergency landing in Newfoundland or somewhere else in Canada because they were runing out of fuel. Someone did some misscalculations before taking off in Tel Aviv. Let's hope they will do a better job in future. BTW who will give maintanane to their Airbus aircraft?
 
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RE: Does LY Still Fly To Eilat City (ETH)

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
thanks. Talking about Israir, Israir has now a very bad reputation here in France, concerning the security and maintenance of the a/c.

Rolling eyes.....While their Mx might be suspect, I highly doubt they are a security risk.
 
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RE: Does LY Still Fly To Eilat City (ETH)

Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
Israir has now a very bad reputation here in France, concerning the security and maintenance of the a/c. A friend of mine who studies with me told me yesterday(in French, of course): "people should stop flying with Israir, too many incidents happened lately; their maintenance is not OK because they don't have money"



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 3):
True they had already a few incidents with their ATR's and I think last week their B763 had to make an emergency landing in Newfoundland or somewhere else in Canada because they were runing out of fuel. Someone did some misscalculations before taking off in Tel Aviv. Let's hope they will do a better job in future.

Yes, Israir is one of those airlines which I will never fly... They have one of the smallest fleet in the world (even smaller than LY) and they manage to have one incident after the other. There were already several near-misses in Israel involving Israir planes, and now this 757 depressurization incident in which many passengers were shocked and hurt, and it seems they had THREE emergency landings to Newfoundland within a week (Amirs posted this info in another thread, but he hasn't (yet) elaborated on the cause of these diversions). The 757 incident was more discussed in France than anywhere else because the passengers were Club Meditérrannée vacationers returning home.

And, the one and only widebody in service almost caused a major disaster in JFK in 2005 :

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/01/ny...i=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

On July 6 [2005], the passenger plane, belonging to Israir, an Israeli carrier that did not have much experience at Kennedy, followed instructions to leave the international terminal on Taxiway Hotel and turn at Taxiway Bravo. It missed the turn, though, and ended up on Runway 22 Right, where the cargo plane, which had been cleared for takeoff, was racing through the rain and fog, all four engines at maximum power.

A disaster for the 265 people on the two planes was averted only because of the keen eyesight of the cargo pilot and the fact that his plane was empty and was able to climb steeply, missing the passenger plane by less than 100 feet, according to a preliminary report.


Such a story is frightening and is illustrative of fundamental problems in the formation and attention of the Israir pilots. And it is even more extraordinary when one remembers that this 763 is the only Israir widebody.

The reputation of Israir seems, sadly, to reflect the truth  Sad
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aa87
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RE: Does LY Still Fly To Eilat City (ETH)

Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:52 am

Not a response to your question, but only once I was scheduled to take LY TLV-ETH as connection from JFK. I was looking forward to 757 landing in ETH at night. Unfortunately, I didn't realize that I should have gone straight to the connection area and should not have gone through customs (most countries you do go through customs before domestic connection), and once I did I was "disqualified".. They told me something about LY can only take intl connection pax on that flight, but once you're in Israel Arkia and Israir own you (my characterization).

So I had to bunk in town and take Arkia next am. Still bummed about it ...

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