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NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:01 am

NW1672 from MSP to RST last night aborted its takeoff following a failure of its #1 engine. The flight finally made it here using a different ship, and upon speaking to the Captain, his report was that their N2 compressor literally shattered about 15 knots prior to V1. I haven't seen a news story about this posted anywhere, but I figured it was report--worthy.

Maybe if incidents like this keep happening, they'll *really* think about phasing out the -9 a little faster :P
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting XPJets (Thread starter):
NW1672 from MSP to RST last night aborted its takeoff following a failure of its #1 engine. The flight finally made it here using a different ship, and upon speaking to the Captain, his report was that their N2 compressor literally shattered about 15 knots prior to V1. I haven't seen a news story about this posted anywhere, but I figured it was report--worthy.

Maybe if incidents like this keep happening, they'll *really* think about phasing out the -9 a little faster :P

It is sad when a flight that lasts all of... 15 mins has a mechanical on takeoff, which will take however many hours to resolve. MSP-RST is like 76 mi!

If the -9s keep breaking, they will phase THEMSELVES out of the fleet.
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:15 am

I hope that 15 knots is less than v1 or the DC-9 has an amazing amount of lift.

Seriously they run jets on legs that are only 75 miles - I'm gob-smacked - could drive that in 90 mins!
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:17 am

Naw,

They have plenty of DC-9s hanging around... one of them fails, just pull out another one and toss the broken one away. Anyhow, the DC-9 interiors are actually pretty nice, and aside from the noise, its like any other modern airliner... but also like flying history. They work well enough, they are on their way out... all sorts of airplanes have mechanical failures, not just NW's DC-9s.
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
They have plenty of DC-9s hanging around... one of them fails, just pull out another one and toss the broken one away. Anyhow, the DC-9 interiors are actually pretty nice, and aside from the noise, its like any other modern airliner... but also like flying history. They work well enough, they are on their way out... all sorts of airplanes have mechanical failures, not just NW's DC-9s.

I'm saying from the perspective of reprovisioning the flight. They may return the aircraft to the gate, which of course is going to be surrounded by all sorts of fire trucks. It has to be unloaded. It has to be swapped onto another aircraft. It has to be fueled and recatered. By the time this is all done, the pax going from MSP-RST could have just driven to RST.

MSP-RST is full of old people going to the Mayo, doctors/nurses/scientists going to the Mayo and IBM people as there is a large IBM factory there. OK, the old people going to Mayo are usually pretty ill and not all that mobile, so they can use the extra ride to RST. The IBM people are especially funny, as many of them don't know where RST is, so if their MSP-RST gets delayed, they think they are stranded. Sometimes I encounter them in the airport and tell them, "Did you know that Rochester is only about 76 mi from here? Rent a car, take 494 East to 52 South and you'll be there in a little over an hour." They immediately run towards the rental cars and the day is saved.
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 1):
If the -9s keep breaking, they will phase THEMSELVES out of the fleet.

i think that this is the best way to describe the situation. i am drawing a blank while trying to think what airline it was that NW took over, which inturn gave them seemingly millions of DC-9's!!!!!
but seriously, how many DC-9's is NW operating these days?

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
I hope that 15 knots is less than v1 or the DC-9 has an amazing amount of lift.

N2 compressor failed 15 knots SHORT of V1...so probably near 90-100 kts.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
Seriously they run jets on legs that are only 75 miles - I'm gob-smacked - could drive that in 90 mins!

these a/c aren't really profitable if you fly them over long distances...or any distance at that i guess, but you can bank on shorts hops around the midwest if you have the aircraft to do it, and you can provide multiple flights a day, not all other competators can do that. i personally have flown alllllll over the midwest with a little help from my friends at NW and one of their good friends, the -9. great old plane, and it will be sad to see her go!
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:42 am

Fun day yesterday at MSP, also NW125 did an air return with the fire trucks out after it circled burning fuel for almost an hour. Don't know what the problem was but after it landed the crew said they didn't need the fire equipment out anymore.
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:10 am

Ship involved in the incident was N766NC, a DC-9-51. NW ac # 9857. Only one pic in the db:

Oh and I believe it was the Republic merger that brought along the seemingly endless fleet of -9s (and a few MD-82s, since retired), not that NW wasn't already operating the -9 by then.

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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting Phishphan70 (Reply 5):
i am drawing a blank while trying to think what airline it was that NW took over, which inturn gave them seemingly millions of DC-9's!!!!

I believe that they came from the Republic merger in 1986. IIRC, Republic's fleet of DC-9's had grown not long before that with the acquisitions of Southern and Hughes Airwest.
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting XPJets (Reply 7):
Oh and I believe it was the Republic merger that brought along the seemingly endless fleet of -9s (and a few MD-82s, since retired), not that NW wasn't already operating the -9 by then.

Actually, NW had no DC-9s or MD-80s prior to the merger with Republic.

In addition to the DC-9s, Republic also had the ex-North Central Convair 580s, which were phased out within 2-3 years of the merger, six 757-200s, which NW sold quickly because the Rolls Royce powerd RC aircraft were incompatible with NW's fleet of P&W 757s, and 10 or 15 727-200s, some of which were in service until shortly before NW phased out the 727-200 in 2003.

NW's pre-merger fleet consisted of 747-100s/200s, DC-10-40s, 757-200s, and 727-100s/200s.
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:07 am

Not too terribly newsworthy outside of the aviation community.

The DC-9 is perfectly fine, the JTD8 on the other hand may not. They'll just replace the engine and the aircraft will be back in service in a few days.

Stuff like this happens to newer aircraft too, I've been on 757s that have aborted. I've been on A320's with engine problems.

Still about 115 frames in service. Replacements for a portion of the fleet are on the way.......
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:14 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
JTD8

They are JT8D's not JTD8's.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
Still about 115 frames in service.

NW has 105 frames in service.
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 1):
If the -9s keep breaking, they will phase THEMSELVES out of the fleet.

I'm not sure the -9s break more than other NW narrowbodies... in my experience, at least, it seems about the same.
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:12 am

Two days ago a 752 and a CRJ-200, both NW, aborted landing at MSP for some reason (most likely because an aircraft was on the runway.

I think one of NW's plans is to wait for the DC-9s to break down, then throw it away. Big grin How many other NW DC-9 accidents have there been like this or like the time a NW DC-9 went over a tug.
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
75 miles ... could drive that in 90 mins!

A little OT, but I could drive that a helluva lot quicker then 90 minutes....

By the time I checked in, made it through security, boarded, flew, landed, and grabbed my bags, I could've been home probably about 30-40 minutes prior...
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:29 am

So it was a contained engine failure and there was no damage due to a departure from the runway. Reasonably easy fix. NW maintenance will simply will pull a JT8D-15 or -17 out of the shop and put it on the airplane. Besides, it's a -51, which, from what I understand will not be going anywhere too soon.
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting XPJets (Reply 7):
Ship involved in the incident was N766NC, a DC-9-51.

Good thing it wasn't N780NC. I was on that one the other day, I don't think it would have been able to stop. The brakes shook the whole plane even during taxi.
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:47 am

Quoting XPJets (Reply 7):
Oh and I believe it was the Republic merger that brought along the seemingly endless fleet of -9s (and a few MD-82s, since retired), not that NW wasn't already operating the -9 by then.



Quoting JettaKnight (Reply 8):
I believe that they came from the Republic merger in 1986. IIRC, Republic's fleet of DC-9's had grown not long before that with the acquisitions of Southern and Hughes Airwest.



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 9):

thank you all for the info!
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Aborts Takeoff At MSP

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:52 am

I love the arm chair qb's.....

Hang around the a busy airport and you will probably witness an aborted takeoff about everyday, for a whole variety of reasons. Aborted landings (aka a go-around) occur a lot more frequently, are a non-event. Thats always like saying that they had to de-ice the aircraft. Not really newsworthy events.

Yes I will say this incident is of interest to the aviation community, but the general public could care less. They are more concerned about frickin' American Idol, Lost, or whatever crap is on prime-time TV.

Quoting Danairbus (Reply 11):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
JTD8

They are JT8D's not JTD8's.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
Still about 115 frames in service.

NW has 105 frames in service.

What can I say, I've been known to make typo's, wasn't the first, won't be the last, so sue me.

105 +/-, I was in the ball park. Depending on your source you will get a different number. 105 in service, but there are several others more that are still in the active as spares. Its tough to get an accurate number with the DC-9's as its a very dynamic fleet as NW can park them and reactive them as necessary and they don't have expensive leases to pay off if they happen to sit around MSP for a few days at a time.

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