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Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:41 pm

EK president said that the order of 100 frames from Boeing or Airbus for expansion wouldn't take place in 2007, it was rumored that the order will take place in Paris Air Show.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/Middl...Investment07/idUSL2766130620070327

he threatened Qantas again lol, what a game between those two airlines
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:46 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
EK president said that the order of 100 frames from Boeing or Airbus for expansion wouldn't take place in 2007, it was rumored that the order will take place in Paris Air Show.

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Well that news will put out the rumours of the Paris Air Show order. Maybe EK is willing to wait for AIrbus to finally complete its design of its A350XWB. Watch out 2008 for EK's order of 100 A350's
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:56 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Watch out 2008 for EK's order of 100 A350's

What makes you so sure it will be for A350s?

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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:57 pm

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=con...id=apGl_EgygZrQ

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By Massoud A. Derhally March 26 (Bloomberg) -- Tim Clark, President of Emirates, the largest Arab airline, will visit Airbus SAS in France next week before deciding whether to order as many as 100 Airbus' A350 or Boeing Co.'s 787.

I said it in the other thread, Clark is saying a lot, but isn't acting. He's losing credibility fast and if he isn't going to do what he says both Boeing and Airbus will start taking Emirates less serious. They will freeze their designs regardless of the wishes of Emirates.

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Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:58 pm

It seems that EK is very reluctant on the 787 and favors the A350. They would have placed an order for the 787 by now if they would really want it.
On the other hand EK really has no pressure of buying new aircraft. They have plenty of 777-300s coming and their fleet consisting of A330s, A340s, 777-200s and 777-300s is one of the most modern fleets around. Other airlines using older 747, MD 11s, A300s, 767s and IL 96s have a bigger need to replace their fleet of 787s or A350s
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:59 pm

Maybe EK still has no idea what it's going to do with 43 A380s and adding 100 more aircraft to their fleet on top of the nearly 100 777s+A340s is starting to look a little crazy.
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:59 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Well that news will put out the rumours of the Paris Air Show order. Maybe EK is willing to wait for AIrbus to finally complete its design of its A350XWB. Watch out 2008 for EK's order of 100 A350's

well son, as N1786b said , what make you so sure that it will be A350? is it because Qatar will buy EADS!!
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:01 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
It seems that EK is very reluctant on the 787 and favors the A350. They would have placed an order for the 787 by now if they would really want it.

 yes 

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
On the other hand EK really has no pressure of buying new aircraft.

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They understand that aviation business is close to the pick of the cycle. Aircraft are at premium currently. If you have no pressure you'd better wait.
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:12 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
It seems that EK is very reluctant on the 787 and favors the A350. They would have placed an order for the 787 by now if they would really want it.

What they want to see is the 787-10 - and how do you know they are "reluctant"?

I mean, they are taking a very close look at what Airbus has to offer - especially as they have an "extra 25% off" coupon code thanks to their A380 order. Wouldn't you do the same?

IMO, it is not a question of what A has to offer, it is a question of how much does Emirates trust A to deliver on its promises.

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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:12 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Well that news will put out the rumours of the Paris Air Show order. Maybe EK is willing to wait for AIrbus to finally complete its design of its A350XWB. Watch out 2008 for EK's order of 100 A350's



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 3):
I said it in the other thread, Clark is saying a lot, but isn't acting. He's losing credibility fast and if he isn't going to do what he says both Boeing and Airbus will start taking Emirates less serious. They will freeze their designs regardless of the wishes of Emirates.



Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
It seems that EK is very reluctant on the 787 and favors the A350. They would have placed an order for the 787 by now if they would really want it.

I think people seem to be reading a lot into this and ignoring the big event that occurs this year: flight testing of the 787. I've argued that it makes little sense for an airline who is seriously evaluating both the A350 and 787 to make a decision at this point given that hard data will soon be available about one aircraft and the other aircraft is so many years away. Airlines will have a better idea of what the capability of the 787 will be, and will be able to use that information to determine the suitability of the 787 and how much they should pay for it or the A350. Also the data from 787 testing will help Boeing refine the design of the -9 and set final specifications for the -10.
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:28 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 3):
I said it in the other thread, Clark is saying a lot, but isn't acting. He's losing credibility fast and if he isn't going to do what he says both Boeing and Airbus will start taking Emirates less serious. They will freeze their designs regardless of the wishes of Emirates.

Well, as other people said Clark is in no hurry to make an order. The A350s are supposed to be replacing the A330's and some 777's in the near future. So, why SHOULD he even act now? He still has plenty of time before those A330 become ancient.

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 6):
well son, as N1786b said , what make you so sure that it will be A350? is it because Qatar will buy EADS!!

Well, I am sure that it will be A350 since AIrbus will give EK a hefty discount on the new models, and since the 787's are already fast outselling production slots like pancakes, it will be reluctant to give out AS MUCH OF A DISCOUNT as Airbus with its A350. Basically, EK will look at the best deal, and its the A350.

And Qatar will buy a stake in EADS inshalla, and EK's order will be for the A350. :P
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:47 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 10):
Well, as other people said Clark is in no hurry to make an order. The A350s are supposed to be replacing the A330's and some 777's in the near future. So, why SHOULD he even act now? He still has plenty of time before those A330 become ancient

Agree, but you can't go running around and say for more than two years that you are going to order 100 planes. I agree waiting for more hard data is fine, but it still looks like EK's decision is far away. Why keep popping up in the media about ordering 100 planes since 2004 if you are not going to do it anytime soon? You lose credibility in the eyes of a lot of people and in the end also from your to-be supplier. Airbus and Boeing will continue to specify their designs and will listen to Emirates to certain extend. There are other airlines out there who they need to supply, it's not all about Emirates.

I'm still amazed about how Boeing and Airbus are "depending" on Emirates. It's just one airline, one part of the market, although I must admit a growing and rather successful part of the market.

Emirates is playing this game out to the end and I must give them credit for that, but stop saying you are about to order if you're really not.

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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:11 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 10):
Well, I am sure that it will be A350 since AIrbus will give EK a hefty discount on the new models, and since the 787's are already fast outselling production slots like pancakes, it will be reluctant to give out AS MUCH OF A DISCOUNT as Airbus with its A350. Basically, EK will look at the best deal, and its the A350.

This is exactly what I am thinking

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9):
I think people seem to be reading a lot into this and ignoring the big event that occurs this year: flight testing of the 787.

I don´t know if EK really is interested in that event. The first model that will be flying is the -8 in which EK is not interested.
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:41 pm

Wonder if boeing is still working with them on 747-8i. This has been very uiet for a while.
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:59 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 10):
So, why SHOULD he even act now? He still has plenty of time before those A330 become ancient.

12 months in aviation industry is not "plenty of time"

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 10):
I am sure that it will be A350 since AIrbus will give EK a hefty discount on the new models

but not this model, Airbus want to recover from their continuous losses and want to cover the A380 expenses.
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:19 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 14):
but not this model, Airbus want to recover from their continuous losses and want to cover the A380 expenses.

I believe they will for various reasons:
1) Boeing outsold Airbus in the widebody market with the 777 and 787 winning a huge order by Emirates will be seen as sign of trust and will likely lead to follow on orders by other airlines especially if the order is placed by such a devoted 777 customer as EK

2)Compensation of the A380 is not settled and Airbus can offer them a much better as they could give any other airline and Boeing could give EK.
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:34 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 11):
Agree, but you can't go running around and say for more than two years that you are going to order 100 planes

Why not?
Do you think he cares what people are writing about him on the internet?

There's a simple reason why he hasn't announced this big order yet: He has been waiting for information about the A350. Like some other airlines.
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:30 pm

Quoting N1786b (Reply 8):
I mean, they are taking a very close look at what Airbus has to offer - especially as they have an "extra 25% off" coupon code thanks to their A380 order. Wouldn't you do the same?

Wait a minute now, that's not even a fact. Clark himself said the A380 delay compensation has nothing to do with any other deal and will be dealt with separately. Don't know where you got your 25% off figure.
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:43 pm

EK has such a huge influx of airplanes, after flying to Sydney three times daily and LHR 6 times daily how many more places can they fly to? They fly to almost every major city from New Zealand to the UK and Japan to Africa, while they are expanding in the Americas to Houston and Sao Paulo. I can see them flying to Canada, the US west coast, Chicago & Buenos Aires but more then that in the Ameicas is doubtful. There are are only so many flight to India, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Singapore and the secondary cities of the UK EK can fly to.
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:47 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
EK has such a huge influx of airplanes, after flying to Sydney three times daily and LHR 6 times daily how many more places can they fly to? They fly to almost every major city from New Zealand to the UK and Japan to Africa, while they are expanding in the Americas to Houston and Sao Paulo. I can see them flying to Canada, the US west coast, Chicago & Buenos Aires but more then that in the Ameicas is doubtful. There are are only so many flight to India, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Singapore and the secondary cities of the UK EK can fly to.

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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 12):
I don´t know if EK really is interested in that event. The first model that will be flying is the -8 in which EK is not interested.

All the larger models performance estimates will be affected by the -8's real numbers.
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Maybe EK still has no idea what it's going to do with 43 A380s and adding 100 more aircraft to their fleet on top of the nearly 100 777s+A340s is starting to look a little crazy.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
EK has such a huge influx of airplanes, after flying to Sydney three times daily and LHR 6 times daily how many more places can they fly to? They fly to almost every major city from New Zealand to the UK and Japan to Africa, while they are expanding in the Americas to Houston and Sao Paulo. I can see them flying to Canada, the US west coast, Chicago & Buenos Aires but more then that in the Ameicas is doubtful. There are are only so many flight to India, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Singapore and the secondary cities of the UK EK can fly to.

Most hubs combine long and short haul flights to get enough traffic. However, a long haul to long haul hub just doesn't work if the hub is too far off of the direct path. Adding 4 to 5 hours over the non-stop time is close to the practical maximum. Dubai is well located for Europe to Middle East; India; Asia; NZ, Africa to the same; North & South America to Middle East, India, parts of Africa. But Europe to Africa, Europe to South America, Austrailia to either SA)">NA or SA. etc.

What is odd to me about EK is the absense of short haul or smaller aircraft. Currently the 332 is the smallest in the fleet with nearly all new orders being for 777 and 380 sized planes. EK has 42 more 777's to be delivered and 12 748F . Also it has 43 380's coming. If each new route (or added frequency) takes 2 planes on average, that is 40 new cities served.

What I think EK is missing is the PR of having a contested RFP like Qantas was for the 787. Boeing's orderbook is much fuller now and Airbus wants more time to get their 350XXL specification finalized. So the prices they are seeing might be a lot higher than they were used to paying. Also, operations might be telling them that the yields are just horrible on all of the parked planes waiting for crews.
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:52 pm

It looks to me that between BA's sudden decision to push the contest out and EK's, Airbus has gone to carriers and said "the specs for the 350-1000 won't be available for 6 months" hoping to freeze any contracts out there in place. Not a new tactic, in fact Airbus has already one it twice just with the 350.
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 17):
Wait a minute now, that's not even a fact. Clark himself said the A380 delay compensation has nothing to do with any other deal and will be dealt with separately. Don't know where you got your 25% off figure.

Don't take it literally - sheesh - notice the quotes?

I'm just saying that the A380 fiasco and severely damaged reputation, A will have to bend over backwards to regain their confidence and actually order a plane that is still on the drawing board (v 7.0 IIRC). In other words, a "extra 25% off coupon."

Nothing like hefty discount to paper over bad feelings and missed schedules. It has worked before.

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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:08 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Maybe EK still has no idea what it's going to do with 43 A380s and adding 100 more aircraft to their fleet on top of the nearly 100 777s+A340s is starting to look a little crazy.

Every boom must come to an end and I agree to add 100 more (of which many will replace the early-build 777s of cause which already now are becoming "old" by Emirates standards) on top of the vast numbers still on order might make even the megarich Dubai sheiks think wether they really need to hurry now. Maybe they switch some 773ER orders to 748Is? And maybe they wait for more detailed figures for the A350. It could be, is even likely and vital for the program´s success that this aircraft will become a real 777 killer. And what Emirates certainly doens´t want is second-best.
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:38 pm

While the never ending drama concerning EK (and QR for that matter) and the 787/A350 is getting a bit tiresome.....it does make sense. With the 787 gathering lots of orders (and there are probably more orders than those announced on the Boeing website), Boeing is probably unwilling to sell the 787s to EK at the prices that EK is willing to pay.....and Boeing does not seem to be in a huge rush to launch the 787-10. And the A350 program, and especially the larger A350-1000 variant, is still in its design stages.....EK is likely unwilling to commit to the type unless and until it can get realistic and very detailed performance and delivery guarantess for Airbus (lets face it, Airbus does not have the best track record at the moment). Thus, EK will wait. EK cannot get the deal that it wants for the 787 from Boeing at the moment, EK cannot get the performance, technical and delivery details concerning the A350 from Airbus at the moment.....so this order will be delayed once again; seriously, its not as if EK has a lack of aircraft on order for expansion and replacing 772ERs and A332/A343s is not urgent.

And, the EK delay is neither positive or negative news for either Airbus or Boeing....the timing is simply wrong for EK to place an order for another 100 airplanes.
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
I can see them flying to Canada, the US west coast, Chicago & Buenos Aires but more then that in the Ameicas is doubtful. There are are only so many flight to India, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Singapore and the secondary cities of the UK EK can fly to.

There are a lot of routes in all of the Americas EK can fly to......

Quoting NA (Reply 24):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Maybe EK still has no idea what it's going to do with 43 A380s and adding 100 more aircraft to their fleet on top of the nearly 100 777s+A340s is starting to look a little crazy.

Every boom must come to an end and I agree to add 100 more (of which many will replace the early-build 777s of cause which already now are becoming "old" by Emirates standards) on top of the vast numbers still on order might make even the megarich Dubai sheiks think wether they really need to hurry now. Maybe they switch some 773ER orders to 748Is? And maybe they wait for more detailed figures for the A350. It could be, is even likely and vital for the program´s success that this aircraft will become a real 777 killer. And what Emirates certainly doens´t want is second-best.

....a lot of it will be for aircraft replacement also (such as the A332, A343, B772ER, B773A models)..those alone will be north of 50-60 frames.....

Now I have no clue though what they will do with all of those A380's or B773ER's.... confused .....
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 10):
The A350s are supposed to be replacing the A330's and some 777's in the near future. So, why SHOULD he even act now? He still has plenty of time before those A330 become ancient.

Emirates was planning start phasing A330s by 2010.
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:29 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 15):
2)Compensation of the A380 is not settled and Airbus can offer them a much better as they could give any other airline and Boeing could give EK.

EK said earlier that under no circumstances will it accept other planes at a discount as compensation for the 380 delay.

Further, given that Airbus is already sinking billions more into developing the 350 than Boeing has done for either its 787 or 777 programs, I can't believe Airbus can give the 350s away as some suggest on this forum.

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 16):
There's a simple reason why he hasn't announced this big order yet: He has been waiting for information about the A350. Like some other airlines.

Interesting that a few months ago he said with some certainty that he was giving Airbus until June to provide EK with the 350 specs. If he didn't have them by June he would have no choice but to go shopping with Boeing. He is visiting Airbus next week to review the 350. Could it be the specs are finalized and EK can now begin comparing the two planes? Or is EK relenting on its June deadline and giving Airbus yet more time?

I think the desire of some airlines to wait for Airbus has a lot to do with Singapore's statement last year that it is essential for the airlines to have two healthy aircraft manufacturers. My sense (completely unsupported by any inside information as you all know I'm just an armchair observer of all this) is that many airlines are very reluctant to give Boeing all the business for fear of recreating a monopoly. Plus I think airlines in some countries maybe be skittish about buying planes from the same company that produces so much of the military hardware that they perceive threatens their countries.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
EK has such a huge influx of airplanes, after flying to Sydney three times daily and LHR 6 times daily how many more places can they fly to?

So is there any information on EK's passenger loads? Just how full are all the planes they are currently flying around?

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 21):
So the prices they are seeing might be a lot higher than they were used to paying. Also, operations might be telling them that the yields are just horrible on all of the parked planes waiting for crews.

Does EK have planes parked due to lack of flight crews? How many? And where are they parked? If so, it would make business sense wouldn't it to lease them short term to other airlines who are clamoring for such aircraft until the crews can be hired and trained, no?
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 27):
Emirates was planning start phasing A330s by 2010.

I assume that you meant ""phasing OUT"" the A332s by 2010.....yes, I too read that somewhere....I guess that wont be happening, but the plan does seem to have changed.....EK seems most interested in the A359/A350-1000/787-10, all of which are bigger than the A332, so there must be an ""New Plan"".

Question: when do the leases expire for the A343s that EK is leasing from Boeing?
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 19):
next EK destination: TLV?Who knows?

if Israel accepted the Arabs peace initiative believe me EK will fly there maybe 3 times daily!!

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 26):
There are a lot of routes in all of the Americas EK can fly to......

Both Americas are great opportunity for EK, they can use those routes to fly the other way to OZ
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 27):
Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 10):
The A350s are supposed to be replacing the A330's and some 777's in the near future. So, why SHOULD he even act now? He still has plenty of time before those A330 become ancient.

Emirates was planning start phasing A330s by 2010.

Well that wont happen!
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:08 am

A few things:

First, it is likely EK does not have deposits down on the 787, since if they want the 787-10, that model will EIS in 2012 or later when slots are still available.

Second, EK wants large widebodies. The A332/A343 fleet will be replaced with much larger planes (since the 787-8 and 787-9 would handle that mission fine, as would the original A350-800 and A350-900 and yet EK was not impressed with all four).

Third, I am going to guess EK is not worried about no "A market" option to replace the 777-200As and 777-300As and will instead accept the extra capabilities the "B market" 787 and A350XWB base models bring. Yet something like a "787-13" with a 787-10's capacity and a 787-3's greater short-haul efficiency might (due to lower OEW and MTOW needing lower-rated engines) could appeal to EK for that market.

Fourth, remember that there are some 200 A350 frames that Airbus has orders and commitments for, all of which would come before the bulk of EK's order. This will include QR, who might very well want to deny EK access to A350XWB's for as long as possible. Since I doubt Airbus will be able to start at 10 frames a month, it could be closer to 2020 then 2015 for EK to get A350XWB-900s and A350XWB-1000s in significant numbers. So 787 deliveries even in 2014 could appeal to EK as they could still get them years before A350XWBs.

Fifth, because of that delay, EK is going to continue to order 777-200LRs and 777-300ERs for replacement and expansion. This will give Boeing and GE their own "package deals" beyond just good pricing. Maintenance, training, spares, and other things can be incentives Boeing will be able to supply as EK waits for availability of either family.

Sixth, a close to 2020 EIS will give Boeing time to start working on Y3. It may be that by the time EK can get A350XWB-1000s, it might be worth waiting for Y3 just as it might be worth EK waiting for the 787-10 and A350XWB now. And even if Boeing feels the market for Y3 at the upper end is too weak, they can still bring the 787-11 to market about the same time as the A350XWB-1000 and probably offer EK earlier availability to complement the earlier availability of the 787-10.
 
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:20 am

Hmmm. Interesting?

1- The 787 second line won't come up until 2010-11
2- EK does have AB in a great buyer position over the A380.
3- AB keeps revising the data presented publicly and privately on the A350.
4- AB has demanded more money from Mom and Dad for making Airplane College (because the A380 party was costly and they want to go to the A350 party were all there friends will be. Let alone those trendy 787 fellows).
5- Y3 or Y1 first that is the question?

I can see some big ripples in the pond. It looks like a few airlines don't want to have to buy the 787 and AB can't just offer an A350 proposal good enough to match what a 787 setup would provide. It seems some airlines are concerned that the competion with 787's will have the better setup.

1- If B gets a second line up and running by 2011 and floods the market with 787's, those whom are set on the A350 have to compete with either A330's or other current equipment until 2014-2015. This is a dangerous position for some airlines recieving large amounts of VLA aircraft. They need to funnel traffic for support while preventing others from taking a larger share. If the 787 provides a good solution for high frequency long range markets then those betting on larger aircraft will be left with alot of empty seats.
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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:29 am

Still, the Dubai government-owned carrier was unlikely to make any order this year, he said.

There is no evidence to support the title of this thread.

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RE: Emirates: The 100 A/C Order Not This Year

Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting BlackKnight (Reply 32):
The 787 second line won't come up until 2010-11

It wont happen that soon, if ever happens.

Quoting BlackKnight (Reply 32):
Y3 or Y1 first that is the question?

Y1 without a doubt. Whether Y3 happens before 2020 will depend on how the 777-300ER & 747-8I sell over the next decade. Y1 will be launched no later than 2010. The 747-8 will only be entering service around that time.