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Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:12 am

March 28 (Bloomberg) -- Avianca SA, Colombia's largest airline, will pay $1.5 billion for 10 Boeing 787 Dreamliner jetliners and the option to buy 10 more.

''With this purchase we ratify our commitment to make Avianca the leading airline in Latin America,'' German Efromovich, president of Brazil's Grupo Sinergy, which owns Avianca, said in a statement issued today by Boeing Co.

Avianca will use the new planes starting in 2010 on its transatlantic routes. The aircraft will replace Boeing 767s and 757s it now uses, the Bogota-based company said in a separate statement.


[END - fair use excerpt http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=aQ5IXv_wO738 ]

Finally confirmed by Boeing and Avianca. No link available to the Boeing statement. So the question is, are they UFO, of which there are 10 on the books and there is no mention on their narrowbody selection.

2010 Delivery infers it could be UFO given the aount of discussion in the past. If not, the 787 will have sold 501 frames.

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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:34 am

Now that its official, I would like to congratulate our Colombian friends for this achievement. I'm proud for Avianca.

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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:41 am

Am I right in saying they are the first Latin American 787 customer? Hopefully, this will spur some other latin sales.
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:44 am

Aeromexico has 5 on order, so Avianca is not the first Latinamerican carrir to order the 787.

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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:45 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):
Am I right in saying they are the first Latin American 787 customer? Hopefully, this will spur some other latin sales

South America, yes. By my definition, Latin America includes Mexico. Then the first Latin American 787 customer is AM.
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:49 am

Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 4):
South America, yes. By my definition, Latin America includes Mexico. Then the first Latin American 787 customer is AM.

Correct. Latin America does indeed include Mexico. Congrats Avianca!
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:52 am

It is great to finally have it official! and 2010 and will soon come!
So it's 10 Dreamliners and 10 options.

I just heard an interview with Avianca's owner, who confirmed that the purchase will be done directly, and *not* through operational leasing.

He also said that AV will start serving most countries in Central America, as well as Cuba very soon, and that London and Paris would have to wait till next year.

There will be an announcement at a later date about the narrowbodies, expected to be of the A320 family, with some A330s thrown in.. I think that if the A330s do arrive next year, they won't just fill the gap until the 787s arrive, but I would think that depending on their performance, they would fly alongside the dreamliner, with the Airbus for north and south American routes and the Boeing mostly on Europe.

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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:52 am

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Avianca will replace Boeing 757 and 767 planes with the new purchases, it said in a press release.

Nicolaas Groeneveld-Meijer, a spokesman for Boeing Co. (BA), said that Avianca has acquired purchase rights for an additional 10 787 planes at a time to be determined in the future.

"Avianca will be the first company in South America to operate Boeing 787s in 2010," it said. Avianca will operate seven of the 10 airplanes while the three remaining will be operated by Synergy Aerospace.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...0328-715433.html?mod=moj_companies
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:54 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Finally confirmed by Boeing and Avianca. No link available to the Boeing statement. So the question is, are they UFO, of which there are 10 on the books and there is no mention on their narrowbody selection.

2010 Delivery infers it could be UFO given the aount of discussion in the past. If not, the 787 will have sold 501 frames.

Good news, interest in the 787 continues......its been a good day for the program, AA seems to be on board and now Avianca confirms its order: a firm order for 10 airframes by Avianca with 10 options is a very nice order indeed....a big commitment from an airline Avianca's size. Congrats to all.

My guess it hat the 10 UFO orders for the 787on Boeing's books for a while are, in fact, the airplanes for Avianca....but that means that Garuda's intent to also acquire ten 787s are not on Boeing's books.
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 6):
There will be an announcement at a later date about the narrowbodies, expected to be of the A320 family, with some A330s thrown in.. I think that if the A330s do arrive next year, they won't just fill the gap until the 787s arrive, but I would think that depending on their performance, they would fly alongside the dreamliner on pan-american routes.

I agree. The A330s (presumably -200s) will no doubt do a good job in flights to places like GRU, EZE, SCL, MEX, MIA, etcetera. Besides, even if the 787s are more cost-efficient, the A332s will be almost brand new, so I do not see the point of getting rid of them fast. Maybe some A330s can be transferred to Ocean Air at some point after Boeing begins delivering the 787s to AV.
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:33 am

For someone who grew up flying on their 707's, 720B's, and 727-100's, this is indeed a special day for my country of birth and my "home town" airline. An investment of this size, whether for Boeings or Buses, clearly indicates the progress that both Avianca and Colombia have made in recent years.

The following question is still stuck in my head: What will they use on secondary, thinner, yet challenging routes like MDE-JFK? An A320? An A330? A787?

I can't wait for the inauguaration of BOG-LHR/LGW, so I can have the pleasure of flying nonstop into another very special city for me, London.

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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:51 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
My guess it hat the 10 UFO orders for the 787on Boeing's books for a while are, in fact, the airplanes for Avianca....

No guess anymore, as many have felt, Avianca's 10 B787s were already part of Boeing's order book as unidetified.... here is the news link confirming the decision by Boeing..... Congrats to AV for selecting such fine aircraft and I'm personally glad they didn't end up getting B767s as an interim solution, because if confirmed, those A330s would look awsome in AV colors!
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 10):
challenging routes like MDE-JFK? An A320? An A330? A787?

Sorry John, I am afraid I don't understand what you mean with "challenging" as I am not very familiar with Colombia's geography and demographics. Are you referring to routes (i) that involve a high-altitude airport (or airport with short runway); (ii) where V.F.R. traffic prevails; or (iii) that have been inconsistent performers?

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 10):
For someone who grew up flying on their 707's, 720B's, and 727-100's, this is indeed a special day for my country of birth and my "home town" airline

Though I have never beenn in Colombia (much less the chance to fly AV), I sincerely congratulate AV and salute all our Colombian a.net buddies for this remarkable accomplishment.
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:19 am

So I guess the forum member who saw a 787 screen saver on an Avianca computer earlier this year was correct, in the end.  Smile
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:37 am

Congrats to both AV and Boeing on this order. Will be great to see what routes AV opens with the 787s.
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:53 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
So I guess the forum member who saw a 787 screen saver on an Avianca computer earlier this year was correct, in the end

Exactly what I was thinking when I saw the title of this thread... The 787 will look great in their livery (as will A332's if they are also aquired as has been rumoured).
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:38 am

Finally, after a long wait, the almost confirmed rumour became official. The announcement of the A320 fleet should be coming soon I guess. The A330-200 will be brand new, I have been told "officially" by AV management, it will be two planes arriving early 2008 and will be dedicated for the Colombia-Spain service.
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:15 pm

Am I doing the math wrong, that 1,500,000,000 /10 only equils 15 million a frame?
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:23 pm

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 10):
The following question is still stuck in my head: What will they use on secondary, thinner, yet challenging routes like MDE-JFK? An A320? An A330? A787?

I don't get the "challenging" thing either. CLO - MDE - JFK has been doing quite good lately. I had the chance to fly to CLO - MDE leg and it was packed from CLO, and lots of people boarded in MDE as well when I got out.

But you sort of got a point anyway, and it's the very same thing I've been asking myself and replying here in the forum when the topic arises:

The 757 niche in my opinion will be very hard to replace with the A320 choice. In the concrete case of MDE - JFK for example I don't think the A320 will be able to make it to JFK from MDE (5 hours flight taking off from an altitude of 7000 feet and with high temperatures sometimes) without a significative penalty. Maybe the A319 has a better performance but has less capacity, and as I've been saying, the route isn't doing bad for a 757, besides cargo is a major factor as well. I still think the 737NG is better suited, but who am I anyway... if they chose the A320 it is for a reason (not only the potential discounts). That replacing it with an A320. Now, that route with an A330 would have no penalty whatsoever... but the A330 is much of an Airplane for that!.

I think the A330 will look hot in their current color scheme though.
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:23 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18):
Am I doing the math wrong, that 1,500,000,000 /10 only equils 15 million a frame?

Yes you are, It will more like $150 million a frame.
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:31 pm

Might this spur a LA order? How much competition is there between LA an AV?
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:42 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
2010 Delivery infers it could be UFO given the aount of discussion in the past.

Indeed, it seems to be the case.


"The order, worth approximately $1.5 billion at list prices, was previously credited to an unidentified customer on Boeing's Orders and Deliveries website."


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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:51 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
Sorry John, I am afraid I don't understand what you mean with "challenging"

Yes, by "challenging" I meant specific routes with unique operational profiles such as:

- departures from "hot and high" airports (or at least "very warm and sort of high") like MDE, BOG, MEX.

- high percentage of "VFR" traffic loaded to the gills with "regalitos" (little gifts for the family) and cargo - ever see the check-in line at JFK during the summer or at Christmas?

- somewhat uneven load factors throughout the year (for example - 50% during low season, 100% during high) - this might result in a decent 75% load averaged over the entire year, but I have flown the CLO-MDE-JFK flight with just 20 passengers aboard!

It seems to me that the 757 performed this role perfectly (and the 707 before it) but now it seems that they will have to choose from "less than perfect" aircraft for these types of missions.

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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:58 pm

Will be nice to see AV ....787. Do you think they will use one for a LHR to BOG ??? I would like to see them back on that route.
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:10 pm

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 23):
It seems to me that the 757 performed this role perfectly (and the 707 before it) but now it seems that they will have to choose from "less than perfect" aircraft for these types of missions.

This may be so. Still, I think that what AV would do is deploy the A319, with JFK being served separately from MDE and CLO, at least in the busy seasons. In very quiet periods it could be still served as a combined flight. Other options are also plausible (though less likely IMO), such as A320/A321 with a service CLO-BAQ/CTG-JFK and MDE-CTG/BAQ-JFK.
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:14 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Will be nice to see AV ....787. Do you think they will use one for a LHR to BOG ??? I would like to see them back on that route.

I am pretty sure that will be the case. They already want to serve London from next year (either with 767 or A330) from next year, with the 787 taking over a couple of years after.
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 6):

There will be an announcement at a later date about the narrowbodies, expected to be of the A320 family, with some A330s thrown in.. I think that if the A330s do arrive next year, they won't just fill the gap until the 787s arrive, but I would think that depending on their performance, they would fly alongside the dreamliner, with the Airbus for north and south American routes and the Boeing mostly on Europe.

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And to think no one believed me about the 787/A32X mix + the A330 interim replacement rumor I got from my friend who flies for AV.

In any case, good to finally get the official confirmation. I assume confirmation for the choice for NB replacement should come soon as well. Any info on which variant of the 787 they will take?

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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:05 pm

Quoting Coal (Reply 27):
Any info on which variant of the 787 they will take?

Yes, it's the -800 series.

And by the way, I was just listening to Mr Efromovich, who has said that NO decision has been made on the 30 narrowbodies + 3 to 5 twin aisle that they want delivered next year. Final decision to be made in the next 60 days.

From this, it would seem that Boeing is still in the running. What twin aisle would be in this package, i don't know.. 763s or even 777s, as have been rumoured before..
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:18 pm

Quoting Coal (Reply 27):
Any info on which variant of the 787 they will take?

787-8 for sure.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Do you think they will use one for a LHR to BOG ???

Sure, but for now, with teh arrival of the A330s AV will have a few 767s to use to FRA and LHR. So I guess next year will be an amazing year for the company.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
So I guess the forum member who saw a 787 screen saver on an Avianca computer earlier this year was correct, in the end

That would be colombian a-netter RICARIZA, who saw at in AV's VIP lounge at BOG before boarding to MIA, IIRC.

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 23):
It seems to me that the 757 performed this role perfectly (and the 707 before it) but now it seems that they will have to choose from "less than perfect" aircraft for these types of missions.

I have my doubts if the A320 is the perfect replacement for the 757 in some missions, but hey, nothing is perfect.

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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:21 pm

I found some more info

http://www.elcolombiano.com.co/Banco...oeing_787_por_us$1500_millones.asp

- The confirmed order is for 10 frames, 7 of which will be in service with Avianca, the remaining 3 will go to Group Synergy Aerospace.
- The new Boeing frames will replace the aging 757's and 767's in long distance routes such as Madrid, Barcelona, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo and Santiago de Chile.
-This is the first phase of the fleet's update, which includes a deal with Airbus for 33 frames, mostly of the A320 family,
-Aibuses will fly domestic and medium range routes to neighboring countries.
-Airbus' contract is for a similar amount to that of Boeing's ( 1.5 billion ), Adding up to 3 Billion, the final budget for the fleet's update program that is estimated to last 6 years, until its completion in 2014.


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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:37 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
So I guess the forum member who saw a 787 screen saver on an Avianca computer earlier this year was correct, in the end.



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 29):
That would be colombian a-netter RICARIZA, who saw at in AV's VIP lounge at BOG before boarding to MIA, IIRC

 Smile glad you guys pointed that out. Here are the pics: Avianca Selects The B-787 (by RICARIZA Jan 6 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 29):
Sure, but for now, with teh arrival of the A330s AV will have a few 767s to use to FRA and LHR. So I guess next year will be an amazing year for the company.

Great . They used to fly from London and I had the chance to go on them but I was stupid and didnt go. I got a really great deal to ADZ via BOG for $200 roundtrip !!!! I kicked myself for not going. So now maybe I will get a chance.
 
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RE: Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:44 pm

Please continue the discussion in the following thread Avianca New Fleet: Confirm 787 Order by RICARIZA Thank you
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