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Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:14 am

The last topic on this seems to be archived, so I'll start a new topic.

According to Bloomberg, Air Asia X will sign for 15 new aircraft on april the 17th. Air Asia X will launch in october of this year, and not a year later. Apparently Air Asia X did find the aircraft to start their operations this year (2 weeks ago they said they were not able to find aircraft to start operations this year). According to a Malaysia based analyst, Airbus seems to have won the contract. He bases his opinion on a conversation he had with people from Boeing.

All this and more in the article...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=aG6UD_doWlR4
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:22 am

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The aircraft, valued at as much as $2.9 billion based on list prices, will allow AirAsia X, the new airline, to start flying as early as October, Fly Asian Chief Executive Raja Mohamad Azmi said in a phone interview from Hong Kong today. AirAsia X will pick Boeing Co.'s 777-200 or Airbus's A330-300 aircraft, Fly Asian has said.

I asume he means the 777-200ER? I cant see the normal 777-200A having much chance.

''I think it's Airbus,'' said Rosnani Rasul, an analyst at TA Securities Sdn. in Kuala Lumpur. ''We just met Boeing and Boeing said that to lease or buy their planes it's going to take some time.''

Anybody know the time difference between nearest A330 slots & nearest 777 slots?

[Edited 2007-03-29 18:25:00]
 
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:27 am

Definitely sounds like it is in the bag for Airbus.

What strikes me as unbelievable is that the first delivery will happen already in October this year!

Probably a consequence of Airbus ramping up the output of the A330/A340 line to 9 planes...
 
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
I asume he means the 777-200ER? I cant see the normal 777-200A having much chance.

If the range and price he quoted is correct, he's talking about the 777-200 and not the 777-200ER.
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 2):
What strikes me as unbelievable is that the first delivery will happen already in October this year!

Weird, unless they are existing rental aircraft.
 
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:43 am

Well this would hardly be a shocker for anyone if Airbus walks away with the deal...
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 5):
Well this would hardly be a shocker for anyone if Airbus walks away with the deal...

AirAsiaX would be a likely long term A350XWB candidate.
 
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 6):
AirAsiaX would be a likely long term A350XWB candidate.

Well something like that was up my mind, with A330s to start up services.
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 6):
AirAsiaX would be a likely long term A350XWB candidate.

In one of the early reports about Air Asia X this was already lined out, IIRC Mr. Fernandez called the A350-1000 the exact plane he desired. Should be in one of the FI articles.
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:27 am

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 5):
Well this would hardly be a shocker for anyone if Airbus walks away with the deal...

When Air Asia was making up her mind between the A32S and 73S many speculated that Air Asia would go with the Boeing offer. They ended up ordering Airbus aircraft instead. Operating Boeing narrowbodies was no reason for them to stick with Boeing for their fleet renewal. Operating Airbus narrowbodies will hardly be a motivation for them to operate Airbus widebody aircraft.

It will come down to availability as Mr. Fernandes already said.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 2):
What strikes me as unbelievable is that the first delivery will happen already in October this year!

The article seems to indicate that they would indeed start taking delivery of them in october. Would that even be possible for newly ordered aircraft to take delivery of them 6 months after the order?

"The aircraft, valued at as much as $2.9 billion based on list prices, will allow AirAsia X, the new airline, to start flying as early as October, "
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:06 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 9):
The article seems to indicate that they would indeed start taking delivery of them in october. Would that even be possible for newly ordered aircraft to take delivery of them 6 months after the order?

"The aircraft, valued at as much as $2.9 billion based on list prices, will allow AirAsia X, the new airline, to start flying as early as October, "

It is very quick isn't it but I guess if they're willing to pay full price one might be squeezed in - the other option is that they're picking up the early planes from a lessor and then replacing them with their own planes when they arrive?
 
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:30 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 8):
In one of the early reports about Air Asia X this was already lined out, IIRC Mr. Fernandez called the A350-1000 the exact plane he desired. Should be in one of the FI articles.

However, I believe he wants to start long-haul before 2015.

Anyway, seems like Airbus could be selling some WBs here, A330s are already used frequently in Asia, but for routes to Europe A340s might be an option, too.
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:33 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 11):
but for routes to Europe A340s might be an option, too.

Maybe they've done a deal with EK for their A346 slots?
 
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:48 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 12):
Maybe they've done a deal with EK for their A346 slots?

That sounds like a good idea. That is probably the only option to get new A330/340s this year, because deliveries were due to start in 2007. IIRC EK had 18 on order and 2 were supposed to come via ILFC. Air Asia wants "around 15 planes" and at "around $ 2.9 billion at list prices". That makes a lot of sense, despite the real price for one of these A346 might be at around $110 million. But 15 of those beasts, isn't that a bit too much for them? Were are they going to fly them to? LHR, FRA, SYD? And then?
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:47 pm

Here we go:

Quote:
AirAsia X, the new Malaysian long-haul low-cost airline, is expected to announce next month that it will buy up to 15 Airbus A330-300 aircraft, according to people familiar with the order.

AirAsia X is also planning to start service in the fourth quarter of 2007 by leasing several aircraft until it takes delivery of the new Airbus aircraft.

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/pro...x?feed=FT&Date=20070330&ID=6690464

Original source is the Financial Times. I had expected A330-200s to be ordered but I guess they were more focused on a people-mover than range.
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RE: Air Asia X: Order Might Be Signed April 17th.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 9):
When Air Asia was making up her mind between the A32S and 73S many speculated that Air Asia would go with the Boeing offer. They ended up ordering Airbus aircraft instead. Operating Boeing narrowbodies was no reason for them to stick with Boeing for their fleet renewal. Operating Airbus narrowbodies will hardly be a motivation for them to operate Airbus widebody aircraft.

I did not base my comment on them having Airbus narrow-bodies in the fleet or on order. Mainly as I believe cockpit commonality is far not such a big issue in deals like this, and this was proven so many times in the past. It is more that I think if they really see the A350-1000 as the perfect match to their operations then it would only be logical to go with a deal with Airbus. Not mentioning that it seems they can get their hands on Airbus planes sooner than either the 777 or the 787.
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