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Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:38 am

Just caught a fleeting headline on CNN about an Allegiant Air nose gear collapse on landing. Included video of aircraft on runway. Looks to be Orlando Sanford Int'l.

Though I say gear collapse on landing, it is unclear whether or not the nose gear was down at all.

Does anyone have any further details?



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[Edited 2007-03-29 22:49:45]
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse

Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:50 am

100 Pax Jet Just Landed @ SFB W/out Nosegear! (by MIAMIx707 Mar 29 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:59 am

This post beat mine for a few minutes, sorry I didn't see it, so I'll ask the mods to delete mine.


The local radio says everyone is ok, I assumed it was an Allegiant flight since the airport's page shows one of their flights is "delayed" on departure.

Does this type of accident means a write-off or can the plane be fixed?
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:04 am

It didn't look like spoilers were deployed, and I wonder about thrust reversers and brakes. Are those recommended in this case?
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:04 am

No worries about the double thread, MIAMI...

Flight was AAY758 from Portsmouth, NH. 157 souls aboard, no injuries reported.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY758

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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:05 am

Just caught the local live news coverage, the nosegear was up for landing....Emergency equipment was standing by at end of runway, virtually no damage to aircraft, probably back in the air in a couple of days...All aircraft diverting to MCO!

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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:05 am

great video

see WKMG tv.
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:08 am

WOW... that must have been nerve racking! Allegiant Air MD-80
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:12 am

Quality Airmanship...

http://www.local6.com/news/11441316/detail.html

Also, to correct my earlier report, WKMG is reporting 147 on board, not 157.

I wonder how this could've happened, what with Allegiant having the 'youngest MD-80 fleet in the world' and all...

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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:16 am

A fine job by the flight crew. They held the nose off for as long as possible, and appear to have done it just right. Everyone walked away and the airplane will fly again some day. Bravo!

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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:22 am

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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:30 am

I HATE the press: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17860590/
WTF is OSIA? not even the LOCALS call it that  Yeah sure
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:31 am

Courtesy: WKMG-TV

Video of Landing:

http://www.local6.com/video/11441180/index.html
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:31 am

That was a great video! WKMG always does a good job covering stories like this. I remember a few things from Inflight Training, which was over 10 years ago. In a nose-gear up landing, the best exits to be used are the forward exits, since the back of the aircraft will be higher off the ground, and the slides may not reach. However, I noticed that emergency vehicle pull right up to the forward entry door as soon as the plane landed. If they needed to evacuate (thank God they didn't) those flight attendants would have been in for a real shock as soon as the slide inflated ON TOP of an emergency vehicle! Thus, rendering it useless!

Glad everyone is ok!

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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:45 am

Not too many diversions, an Excel 767 diverted enroute to SFB from LGW to MCO and the local news reports that two more flights will also divert....
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:48 am

and to think I was gonna go to SFB this afternoon about 30 minutes before this happened to get a shot of the new XL c/s on the 767.. now kicking myself for not going.

It would've been great to get a shot of that MD80 landing without gear lol
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:49 am

Does anyone know the status of SFB right now? Is it closed?
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting AV8orWALK (Reply 13):
However, I noticed that emergency vehicle pull right up to the forward entry door as soon as the plane landed. If they needed to evacuate (thank God they didn't) those flight attendants would have been in for a real shock as soon as the slide inflated ON TOP of an emergency vehicle! Thus, rendering it useless!

I hope the person that drove that vehicle gets a tad more training in the future (they may have had good intetnions). Not the place to park, especially since you do not know the condition on the inside. Bad move, indeed.

The forward cabin door, regardless of the extent of damage (in this case, none), is the exit people are likely to try to get out. It is the door in which they entered. Statistics and accidents have proven this. The emergency vehicle should have parked adjacent to it, not in front of it.

Just glad all are ok.

GREAT job on behalf of the entire crew. Job WELL DONE!!!

[Edited 2007-03-30 00:02:50]

Must have been the view from the helicopter that showed that vehicle in that area. Just saw a different video.

[Edited 2007-03-30 00:13:45]
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:56 am

I had heard that plane was going out by the end of the year anyway,,, but i dont think there was really any damage at all
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:04 am

Courtesy: WFTV-TV

Only One Minor Injury After Plane Lands Without Nose Gear - Video

http://www.wftv.com/video/11441962/detail.html

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Courtesy: WOFL-TV & STLgph

Airliner Makes Hard Landing at Sanford Airport - Video

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[Edited 2007-03-30 00:29:29]
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:10 am

I see photos on site B. I imagine the photog has uploaded them here as well. Just depends how quick they get them up here. They are really freaky looking.
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11):
WTF is OSIA? not even the LOCALS call it that

it's the name given to the airport.

duh.
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11):
WTF is OSIA? not even the LOCALS call it that

It says they had 176 passengers on board too. I don't think an MD-80 is certified to carry that much.

Quoting AV8orWALK (Reply 13):
That was a great video!

The video is good, but it cuts off just as the overwing exits are opening. I want to see the entire evacuation as well. I'm sure they had the camera rolling.
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 16):
Does anyone know the status of SFB right now? Is it closed?

There were two more Allegiant flights, a biz jet, and a cessna that arrived after the incident. They used Rwy 18 for the jets ands 9R for the cessna. Didn't see any flight training going on though. So I guess they're open, but to limited traffic.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:19 am

Really no big deal with rgds to airmanship.
Just hold the nose up as long as possible and let her skate along.
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:44 am

Did anyone else notice that the main gear doors were hanging open? Definitely some sort of hydraulic problem. The flaps obviously did come down OK though.
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:44 am

Is this the first time something like this happens at Orlando Sanford?

It's kind of annoying how the media keeps saying how one person was injured... a lady twisted an ankle exiting the plane, does that even qualify as an injury?? The lady refused treatment, no surprise.

Interesting that there's at least two Allegiants and a Thomas Cook A332 that have departed since. I feel bad for those that have been stuck at SFB, an airport where the terminal has no windows.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 26):
Is this the first time something like this happens at Orlando Sanford?It's kind of annoying how the media keeps saying how one person was injured... a lady twisted an ankle exiting the plane, does that even qualify as an injury?? The lady refused treatment, no surprise. Interesting that there's at least two Allegiants and a Thomas Cook A332 that have departed since. I feel bad for those that have been stuck at SFB, an airport where the terminal has no windows.

But this is quite possibly the most interesting thing that has happened in Borelando this month!! I'm surprised that they didn't start out by saying the aircraft was an L-1011 or 777

With regard to the diverted flights, what sort of routing/altitude will they take to re-position back to SFB since it's so close to MCO, would they just go up like 1,000ft and line up for the approach?
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:37 am

I was there and watched it happen in person. I was standing on the ramp as the jet came in. He first did a fly by past the tower with the nose-wheel up, and then went and circled for 15-20 minutes then came in. The guy came in fairly slow, then touched down, and held that bitch off for a LONG time. It almost seemed as if he gave it a burst of power upon touchdown. Then as the nose was settling to the ground he kicked in the reversers and it stopped. Awesome job by the flight crew. The one day I don't have my camera in my flight bag something like this happens! I was extremely impressed by the way he handled the aircraft.

OSIA is what the airport is called, and I call it that myself, and I am a local.

As far as I know the airport is currently closed except to air carrier operations. I saw a couple of Allegiant jets taking off from 18 about an hour and half ago, but I haven't seen anyone land, and I know the larger 767's and such from overseas are going into MCO.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:19 am

The pilots did a fine job! What a smooth landing. I noticed the main gear doors came down, which if not mistaken could be related to hydraulic problems. Not sure on that though. Anyways, glad all came out safe.
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:25 am

Great Job by the crew but this really worry's me...the AA MD80 no nose gear last year and a few weeks ago on my moms flight they were getting a bad light in the cockpit with something to do with the nose gear (moms an FA) and now this. Whats going on ?
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:28 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 25):
Did anyone else notice that the main gear doors were hanging open? Definitely some sort of hydraulic problem. The flaps obviously did come down OK though.

Assuming they pulled the emergency extension handle to try and get the nose gear down then the main gear doors will be hanging open on a MD-80. That is normal for that scenario.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 26):
Interesting that there's at least two Allegiants and a Thomas Cook A332 that have departed since. I feel bad for those that have been stuck at SFB, an airport where the terminal has no windows.

They do have windows, but they are all in really bad spots. If you look at my TR, some of the pics were taken at some really bad angles because all the windows are situated in between gates.

Anyway, I commend the pilots for what they did. Being able to do what they did and not have any injuries, congrats to the pilots. Also, good job to the other members of the Flight Crew for getting the pax off the plane so quickly. Allegiant is a fine company and proved that by their actions after what happened today at SFB.
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:58 am

Uhhh...for all the allocades to the pilot, he bounced it pretty hard on the nose and then pulled it back up; did I see the airframe flex?? I'm doubting that this a/c should be back in the air too soon. Maybe it will be, but maybe it shouldn't.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:48 am

ok in a situmacation (<-my own word) like this, would G4 get feed for the use of emergency vehicles? do airlines even hafta pay for airport emergency services?
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:52 am

Quoting Radiocheck (Reply 8):
I wonder how this could've happened, what with Allegiant having the 'youngest MD-80 fleet in the world' and all...

Delta took delivery of a brand new DC-8-61 way back when and before placing it on the Line, was doing flight training at Jacksonville municipal (Florida) and the NoseGear collapsed on taxi. S**t Happens.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11):
I HATE the press:

Why?

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11):
WTF is OSIA? not even the LOCALS call it that

Evidently the correct name of the Airport is Orlando Sanford International. Maybe better take it up with the city council?
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:07 pm

Local news is reporting that the plane is still on the runway. A "specialized" team is driving up from Miami to help move it off of the runway. Should be done by 4am.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:08 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 33):
Uhhh...for all the allocades to the pilot, he bounced it pretty hard on the nose and then pulled it back up; did I see the airframe flex?? I'm doubting that this a/c should be back in the air too soon. Maybe it will be, but maybe it shouldn't.

Yes, it does appear that he bounced it a bit. But, he could have been trying a last ditch effort to knock the nosegear loose in hopes that it would extend on the long roll on its mains. I really am impressed with the piloting though. When we say pilots are overpaid, we have to agree that they earned every penny of their salary in those moments.




How will this affect their operations? Do they have a spare to replace this aircraft with?
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:26 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 33):

Yes I noticed the nose score the rwy for a while, then he pumps in some elevator and has enough airflow over the h stab to lift the nose again. Keep in mind that brake application will also pull the nose tighter against the runway.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:33 pm

Yeah I'm sure they do. Allegiant usually has a few planes sitting down at their MTC base here at SFB. I'm hoping they just drag the airplane from the runway and bring it over to their hangers so that I can go over there and get some good pictures tomorrow!!!
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:49 pm

Flight crew was relatively new pilots so great job on their part. 18-36 is a shorter runway at 6003ft but was able to handle the A330s due to them leaving back to England ferry. The Excel 767 (from LGW) and 747 (from MAN) were the only diversions - TFAME went to TPA then to MCO, and both are going to be leaving from MCO (pax and bags being transported to MCO from SFB). The flight crew called in to flight ops over an hour before landing notifying them of the problem ( I think one of the media outlets said 15 minutes which is incorrect). OSIA is incorrect....either SFB, KSFB or OSI...whoever started OSIA doesn't know the airport and just abbreviated it. This is also the most serious emergency to happen at SFB in terms of commercial flights. The worst in the past were all precautionary measures. Any other questions let me know  Smile
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:54 pm

Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 40):
Flight crew was relatively new pilots so great job on their part. 18-36 is a shorter runway at 6003ft but was able to handle the A330s due to them leaving back to England ferry.

What do you mean "leaving back to England ferry? Did they ferry back to England, or is that a term for something else? If they did indeed ferry back to England, why didn't they carry any pax?
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:26 pm

Recording of parts of the event are on the LiveATC.net forums.

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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:05 pm

Is this frame going to be a write-off? Such a landing could have damaged the stringers or beams in the fuselage like it did on that A320 of America West at PHX a couple years ago. Remember that one? That plane was scrapped.

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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:40 pm

Quoting Radiocheck (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any further details?

Italian news video :

http://tv.repubblica.it/home_page.ph...=8659&fromplayer=8659&stream=video

looks like only nose gear not extended, not main landing gear.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:05 pm

It can be rebuilt in about 2 weeks the 2 AAirframes my employer banged up had them flying within 2 weeks. The guys in TulsAA do wonders with sheet metal. They had is repaired and flying so fast you couldn't tell there was any damage. Interesting not is that TulsAA does Allegiants heavy MX, I wonder if they will ferry this airframe to TuslAA for work.

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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 41):
What do you mean "leaving back to England ferry? Did they ferry back to England, or is that a term for something else? If they did indeed ferry back to England, why didn't they carry any pax?

A ferry flight means a flight carrying no passengers or bags, also known as a positioning flight. With the exception of Allegiant, Flyglobespan and Icelandair, all flights are charters. Yesterday was the first day of the summer season (bad omen lol) and all the flights from England arrive full of passengers and ferry back for the first week or so of the season, as the charters sell 1 or 2 week vacation packages. They were scheduled to return to England as a ferry flight, they didn't ferry back because of the Allegiant incident.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 46):
A ferry flight means a flight carrying no passengers or bags, also known as a positioning flight. With the exception of Allegiant, Flyglobespan and Icelandair, all flights are charters.

LOL.... I know what ferry means. I just wasn't sure what you meant by "back to England ferry" as opposed to ferry back to England. Same difference I know, but I sure if that's what you meant or not.

I didn't know that the heavies ferried back to England though. I always assumed they had pax on board for both legs.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:00 am

STLGph, I like the way the media sometimes overstate comments. On your post the Fox news had to put, "The plane made a hard landing on its nose and ......". To my opinion, the crew did everything right, and they landed that bird perfectly, under the situation they were in. Thank you sharing the video.
 
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RE: Allegiant Nose Gear Collapse On Landing

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 32):
They do have windows, but they are all in really bad spots. If you look at my TR, some of the pics were taken at some really bad angles because all the windows are situated in between gates.

Could it be you're talking about the domestic terminal on the left side? The intl. terminal to the right is an enclosed box with no windows (unless they have put up some during the last two years or so).

Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 40):
Flight crew was relatively new pilots so great job on their part. 18-36 is a shorter runway at 6003ft but was able to handle the A330s due to them leaving back to England ferry. The Excel 767 (from LGW) and 747 (from MAN) were the only diversions - TFAME went to TPA then to MCO, and both are going to be leaving from MCO (pax and bags being transported to MCO from SFB). The flight crew called in to flight ops over an hour before landing notifying them of the problem ( I think one of the media outlets said 15 minutes which is incorrect). OSIA is incorrect....either SFB, KSFB or OSI...whoever started OSIA doesn't know the airport and just abbreviated it. This is also the most serious emergency to happen at SFB in terms of commercial flights. The worst in the past were all precautionary measures. Any other questions let me know

Thanks! that answer a lot of questions. I was wondering how in the world the A332 took off.. Runway 18/36 seems long enough though. There was also a Monarch A300 on the first summer charter for the airline. I figured at least that one would definitely fly back empty.

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