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BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:44 pm

£30m pounds for 51 slots/week. Not too shabby.  Wink

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...ctors/transport/article1591309.ece
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:45 pm

This is the stupidest, most shortsighted thing that BMI has ever done.

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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
This is the stupidest, most shortsighted thing that BMI has ever done.

Unless they are running low on cash, sounds like TWA and PA in the early 1990s.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:48 pm

Their cash shortage is easy to fix - they have a list of suitors that want to invest in the airline directly, and they have one large *A partner in the US plus a slew of other US carriers that would have paid a premium.

3.4mm GBP is a steal, and they could have gotten way more from some desperate US carriers.

NS

edited for spelling.

[Edited 2007-03-30 16:52:30]
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:51 pm

Great news for BA and their LHR operation, but a very strange and stupid move from BMI.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:55 pm

BD are making very little sense to me nowadays
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
This is the stupidest, most shortsighted thing that BMI has ever done.

Or the cleverest??

This is clearly connected with the sale of BMED to bmi. BA had the right to vetoe the purchase to bmi which strangely they didn't. BD got around 50 ish weekly slots as part of that deal and now are suddenly selling a similar amount to BA. Really all BD have done is sold the slots they acquired from BMED to BA and got a very cheap fleet of A320/321s plus route authorities for next to nothing.
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:01 am

I may have been hasty. Connected in that way to the BMED purchase then I can see it being a little more beneficial.

NS
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 6):
Really all BD have done is sold the slots they acquired from BMED to BA and got a very cheap fleet of A320/321s plus route authorities for next to nothing.

but what use are the route authorities without the slots to operate them ?
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:08 am

BMI are not fish and not meat..
I never understood their marketing and target-group !
They have prime assets in LHR and a to diversified shareholder Structure to become efficient.LH have never been really interested in BMI neither ave SAS- so what the heck !
Either LH moves quickly and makes an asset out of their stance in BM and their relation with SAS or give it away ,in order to get still more cash to invest in either Iberia or AZ .
There is a moment to consider and a moment to act- LH lose a little bit to much time to act (unless they have taken some strategic decisions but we are unaware..)
Integration of Swiss seems to proceed quite well,smooth and first tangible results are visible.While the take-over of another airline is something complex ,full of (bad )surprises and money-consuming,LH are not in a defensive position.
There are currently three major airline-stakes for take- AZ,IB and BMI - at least one of them should be falling under the "Kranich" -wings. But time runs out...
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:10 am

WOW! Sounds like BA is ready for open skies! Open skies but no slots  Smile. WHat percentage of LHR slots does BA currently own now?

Since BA now have more slots do you think this makes it more or less likely they will purchase the A380 or B747-8?
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:11 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 8):
but what use are the route authorities without the slots to operate them ?

BD seem to have more slots than they can use at the moment anyway and seem to be operating filler flights such as extra frequencies to MME once the CDG flights stop. they are also looking to move away from routes where they compete with LCCs and move into medium haul routes such as those flown by BMED. The plan has always been to move around the current slots, cutting existing flights which are making little to no money and replacing the with higher yielding routes.
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:18 am

Also as BMI has its own Transatlantic ambitions, why wud it help potential new American carriers to get slots at LHR.

And BMI said it had strategy of moving to mid-haul ,so it will maintain Bmed network using slots from its own non performing routes, maintain the number of Deps but make the move to mid-haul.

Who knows what other agreements could be part of such a deal e.g BA agreeing to avoid potential BMI territory in US ...LAS?
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:22 am

I think its a good move . One of the better ones they have had for a while.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:22 am

bmi might not have needed the slots, but don't you think they got rid of them too quickly? Surely if they had held on, more airlines would have approached them to make an offer. As it is, there are plenty of airlines who would want to operate into LHR once open skies is in force, but they are not ready yet to start buying slots.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:28 am

Can some explain what a slot is classed as?

are we talking about 51 departures and 51 arrivals per a week (total 102)
or 51 movements, either arrivals or departures??
and are they for certain times of the day or any time???

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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:29 am

Is this a move to takeover BMED's routes since it was bought by BMI?
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:29 am

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 14):
bmi might not have needed the slots, but don't you think they got rid of them too quickly? Surely if they had held on, more airlines would have approached them to make an offer. As it is, there are plenty of airlines who would want to operate into LHR once open skies is in force, but they are not ready yet to start buying slots.

1/ I guess that this was agreed long before we got a deal on open skies
2/ I don't think either BA or BD thought open skies would come about so quickly
3/ We don't actually know which slots we are talking about. They might all be undesireable slots late at night which no transatlantic operator would be interested in anyway.
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:32 am

Of course in this industry you should never say "never" ... but would BA bother buying slots off BD if , as some rumours have it , they were planning to takeover BD . It seems unlikely , so perhaps we can put that rumour away .... for a few days  Wink
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:32 am

Couple of thoughts...this appears to impact Star's ability to use BMI for connects to intra country.....wonder if BMI and Star may be thinking LHR days numbered once it opens up and the fare wars hit it. On the other side BA has never been happy about LHR going open and this appears to be a major attempt to solidify their dominance at that airport to fight off newcomers....I would think some service will move to protected LHR from Gatwick now for BA and not that much new service. BA's position at LHR is becoming more and more like fellow member AA's at MIA and DFW...birds of a feather?

Side note...I would think this deal is not really final until Branson signs off to not fight it...grin
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 17):

All good points. Is there any way of finding out which slots we are talking about here? The article claims that £3.4 Million per slot is considered cheap (!) so maybe they aren't important slots...Also, bmi got £30 Million from BA for this, and paid £30 Million for BMed, so they have effectively traded 51 slots for a bunch of shiny a/c and route authorities. I wonder if it'll turn out to be a great idea or an awful idea...?
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:43 am

For to and from the US the slots are likely to be in the morning.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Acelanzarote (Reply 15):
are we talking about 51 departures and 51 arrivals per a week (total 102)
or 51 movements, either arrivals or departures??
and are they for certain times of the day or any time???

A slot is an arrival or a departure. So you need a pair of slots to operate in and out.
These slots will all have specific times.
There are slots available free at LHR but they are late at night, and not in pairs.

Be very careful with slots. Every article you read uses a different meaning.
The journalists rarely say whether they are slots/day, or slots/week. You usually have to work it out!

Look at the thread headline. 51 slots. not per day or per week.

Having purchased a slot, you have to start using it. Slots that are not used for 80pc of a season are returnrd to the pool and then given to the next applicant.

[Edited 2007-03-30 17:57:30]
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:55 am

I agree with others that it appears BMI may have sold the BMED slots to BA, but the article quotes a source at BA denying this. The trouble is, I can't see where else the slots have come from - they can't be the regional route slots as these flights are still operating.

The BMED slots guess makes sense...BMED made an overall loss in last 2 financial years, and from anecdotal evidence, only a few routes actually made any money (BEY was one...)

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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:59 am

I hope this puts to rest the myth that slots are not available. At some airports, free slots are not available but, for those willing to pay the market price, slots are always available.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:01 am

Bmi has made some destinations summer only, so some slots probably swap from winter to summer, they also have done summer charters in the past, so quite easy to put a package together for sale.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 24):
At some airports, free slots are not available but, for those willing to pay the market price, slots are always available.

True, as long as there are willing sellers.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:05 am

The most valuable thing BMI own are LHR slots. If they don't carry out the (really really) obvious Virgin merger then I don't give them more than five years, especially if FlyBE can make the BA Connect routes work and continue to grow.
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:09 am

Quoting Tak (Reply 10):
Since BA now have more slots do you think this makes it more or less likely they will purchase the A380 or B747-8?

I never really thought BA would take the 380, and have my doubts about the 748. They do not seem to be slot restricted, , now especially, and seem to prefer frequency. I see the massive fleet of 744s as a end of an era myself, at many airlines, and dont see massive fleets of 380s either.

I just have this gut feeling that most airlines are going to focus on 250-400 seat planes, and larger planes will continue to decrease in numbers.
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:16 am

Very glad that these slots stayed with a UK airline. All BDs slots are at useable times so it looks like BA just got a bargain whether its part of a BMED deal or not.

And Zvezda, looks like your opinion that slots are always available has some truth in it although these hardly went for top dollar.
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:22 am

What's all the fuss about ? This has been discussed for a couple of days in England. The slots in question are BMed slots and they are the price bmi has to pay to obtain BA's assent for a take-over of BMed as BA has a walk-away clause in BMed's franchise agreement just in case a competitor takes over BMed. This also explains the relatively low price for the slots.

BA, in the first place, would have loved to take over BmEd themselves, for sure, as BMed's traffic rights virtually guarantee a monopoly in many markets they serve. As BA would never have received clearance for a take-over, BMed was literally cannibalized in an concerted effort: Routes and traffic rights to bmi, slots to BA.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:26 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 3):
they have a list of suitors that want to invest in the airline directly

This will be great news for SK. They are trying to sell their 20 per cent stake in BD that is said too be worth £100 million:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...ctors/transport/article1588787.ece

Quoting Tak (Reply 10):
WHat percentage of LHR slots does BA currently own now?

Their share of slots at LHR for this year's summer timetable without this purchase from BD is 40.6 per cent.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Richardw (Reply 25):
Bmi has made some destinations summer only, so some slots probably swap from winter to summer, they also have done summer charters in the past, so quite easy to put a package together for sale.

N o , Summer and W are co-ordinated separately so the fact that a FLT operates Summer only doesn-t mean the slots are avail to sell in Winter

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 29):
Very glad that these slots stayed with a UK airline. All BDs slots are at useable times so it looks like BA just got a bargain whether its part of a BMED deal or not.

If this is correct , we don-t know if the slots are ex-BMED or ex-BMI or a combination of both

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 27):
The most valuable thing BMI own are LHR slots. If they don't carry out the (really really) obvious Virgin merger then I don't give them more than five years, especially if FlyBE can make the BA Connect routes work and continue to grow

Completely fail to see what Flybe/Bacon situ has on what BMI does at LHR !
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:41 am

This would have happened with no Open Skies. This is a consequence of BMI buying BMED. BMI gets additional A320/321's and BA gets a few more slots. The slot trading is really going to begin when Delta, Continental, NW and USairways want Skyteam and Star Alliance partners to "hand them over". Given 3 of the 4 are Skyteam airlines, Air France and KLM may have to cut their schedules from LHR to their regional cities. The results will be interesting in one year when the first Delta and Continental 777 arrive at Terminal 3. I fondly remember July1, 1991 when four United 747's arrived at LHR for the first time.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 30):
Routes and traffic rights to bmi, slots to BA.

Sounds abt right to me !
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 22):
Look at the thread headline. 51 slots. not per day or per week.

On this occasion I believe we are talking 51 slots per week and assume, correctly or incorrectly, that it is 51 slot pairs.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting Tak (Reply 10):
Since BA now have more slots do you think this makes it more or less likely they will purchase the A380 or B747-8?

BA doesn't have more slots. It effectively lost 50 slots when BD bought BMed. They have just replaced those slots. What will be interesting is to see what additional services BA puts on. As others have pointed out, slots are lost if they are not used.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 24):
I hope this puts to rest the myth that slots are not available. At some airports, free slots are not available but, for those willing to pay the market price, slots are always available.

This statement make two assumptions - 1) someone is willing to sell 2) the slots are at a time that the buyer wants.

The price of 1 will largely depend on 2. Most of the US airlines that would want slots at LHR will want them in the early to mid-morning. Those are the very slots that BA, VS, UA and AA (who own most of them) will be least willing to sell.
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Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting Tak (Reply 10):
Since BA now have more slots do you think this makes it more or less likely they will purchase the A380 or B747-8?

BA doesn't have more slots. It effectively lost 50 slots when BD bought BMed. They have just replaced those slots. It will be interesting to see if they continue to operate the services that BMed operated on their behalf.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 24):
I hope this puts to rest the myth that slots are not available. At some airports, free slots are not available but, for those willing to pay the market price, slots are always available.

This statement make two assumptions - 1) someone is willing to sell 2) the slots are at a time that the buyer wants.

The price of 1 will largely depend on 2. Most of the US airlines that would want slots at LHR will want them in the early to mid-morning. Those are the very slots that BA, VS, UA and AA (who own most of them) will be least willing to sell.
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:17 am

If I remember correctly, a while ago somebody on this forum mentioned that BMI would make an important announcement on the 02/04/07.

Is this the announcement or should we wait for something else on Monday?
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 37):
BA doesn't have more slots. It effectively lost 50 slots when BD bought BMed

I thought BMED owned its own slots?
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:46 am

I am inclined to think that this story is utter rubbish. There is no way that BD would sell that many slots to BA, for so little cash. Plus the article is riddled with inacuricies and mistruths.

Pairs have changed hands for £10m,” one said. I doubt any "Airline executive" said this, as everyone knows QF paid 25million STG for a slot pair a few years back.

"Its previous biggest deal was in 2003, when it bought eight pairs of slots from Swissair, the Swiss flag carrier that later collapsed in financial turmoil" - wrong aigain, BA bought the slots from SWISS, which succeeded SR. LX was, of cousre, at that time close to oneworld. I think this was done in exchange for a "line of credit" to LX, but I could be wrong there.

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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting Lan1981 (Reply 39):
I thought BMED owned its own slots?

They did. They used those slots to operate BA flights under their franchise agreement. That's why I said "effectively". Yes, I agree, in absolute terms BA now has more slots than they had before, but effectively, they have ended up with the same number of slots to operate BA flights.

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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 33):



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 33):
The slot trading is really going to begin when Delta, Continental, NW and USairways want Skyteam and Star Alliance partners to "hand them over". Given 3 of the 4 are Skyteam airlines, Air France and KLM may have to cut their schedules from LHR to their regional cities. The results will be interesting in one year when the first Delta and Continental 777 arrive at Terminal 3. I fondly remember July1, 1991 when four United 747's arrived at LHR for the first time

Except they won't hand them over. LHR slots have a market value, and the directors of AF/KLM would be in breach of their duty if they gave millions of dollars away to another company... CO/DL will have to buy slots, or just join the queue (there are still slots available at LHr, mostly after 21:00 or so)
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:37 am

If this is part of the BMed deal, then was BMed really worth it?

And if this is separate from Bmed, what the f*** are bmi doing (sorry for the language but i think this is really stupid if true). And to BA of all airlines - youre biggest rival and also in a rival alliance. These slots could well be used to compete with bmi, incuding on the US serrvices bmi hope to start. Short term gain for long term pain.

I have usually supporterd some of bmi's questionable decisions over the years and want to see bmi do well, as an independent carrier. But I cant see how this is a good deal for bmi and as much as i dont want this to happen, if this is what bmi are doing i hope VS take them over. And least they would never sell slots to their biggest competitor
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:47 am

Those slots might not become available to BA until the Winter schedule - or even the Summer one next year. Remember, UK Government got Open Skies postponed from October to March next year, when T5 opens. I'm assuming it's 51 slot pairs (If individual slots what do you do with an odd slot!), but spread over a week that's seven pairs per day, plus an additional two weekly frequencies. Yet BA will need 28 slots per week just to transfer its DFW/ATL/IAH flights from LGW. As to what the remainder of the slots will be used for, BA doesn't have the aircraft to add extra longhaul flights - unless those rumours of 4 SAA 744s are true. Either way, with T5 and Open Skies BA has been able to secure transfer of its US LGW longhauls without cutting shorthaul.
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting Lutfi (Reply 42):
(there are still slots available at LHr, mostly after 21:00 or so)

Wonderful timing for a daylight eastbound trans-Atlantic flight, don't you think?
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 27):
The most valuable thing BMI own are LHR slots. If they don't carry out the (really really) obvious Virgin merger then I don't give them more than five years, especially if FlyBE can make the BA Connect routes work and continue to grow.

Totally agree that bmi have no hope in making it alone once Open Skies goes ahead, even though I would hope bmi could stay independent, simply because their service and crews are amongst the best in this industry. The problem is that bmi lacks the brand, assets or imagination to make the most out of Open Skies. Virgin brings a popular product and brand with little overlap, with bmi bringing slots and regional presence. BA would asset strip bmi, and sell the regional divisions to flybe so I hope selling some slots to BA isn't a pre-emptive move for an eventual integration.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 43):
I cant see how this is a good deal for bmi and as much as i dont want this to happen, if this is what bmi are doing i hope VS take them over. And least they would never sell slots to their biggest competitor

I too am puzzled as to why bmi are selling their slots to their largest competitor and for such a seemingly low cost. Just when bmi appear to be doing what makes business sense; getting geared up for Open Skies, diamond club blue plus, bmibaby open for business and bmi regional expansion - they do this. My first flight was on virgin atlantic and British Midland has been my local airline all my life, so bringing them together would bring BM's professionalism and regional focus, with VS's brand, flair and management. A winning match.
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting Tak (Reply 10):
Since BA now have more slots do you think this makes it more or less likely they will purchase the A380 or B747-8?

IMHO It will make no difference. BA will move flights from LGW to LHR and not change aircraft size on current services.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 33):
BMI gets additional A320/321's

Didn't BD get rid of it's A321's recently as they were too big?

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 44):
(If individual slots what do you do with an odd slot!)

Fly an ad-hoc service to CWL with no pax?

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 45):
Wonderful timing for a daylight eastbound trans-Atlantic flight, don't you think?

Yes maybe, but what slot would the aircraft use to return? LHR 23:30 depart to JFK 02:00 (next day) perhaps?
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 33):
Air France and KLM may have to cut their schedules from LHR to their regional cities.

KL operates two return flights to LHR (with F50s) from both RTM and EIN every week day as well as frequebt AMS-LHR rotations.

The only AF flights to LHR are the twelve daily CDG-LHR-CDG rotations (AF2670/1, 1170/1, 1270/1, 1370/1, 1570/1, 1670/1, 1870/1, 1970/1, 2070/1, 2170/1, 2270/1 and 2370/1).

I believe that AF's main purpose in operating a frequent (almost hourly) service to LHR is to draw traffic into its CDG hub. (Most O&D passengers are more likely to travel city centre to city centre by train.) So I doubt that AF would be prepared to cut these schedules back.

On the other hand KL's four daily F50 rotations are the only turboprop services to LHR. It is just possible they are operated purely to preserve the slots they use as KL's prime strategy for the UK is to feed its AMS hub from UK regional airports. These feeder services were originally operated by Air UK that then was bought by KL to become KLM UK. KLM UK was subsequently made part of KLM Cityhopper. This seems a very sensible strategy as I believe KLM Cityhopper connects 14 UK provincial airports to AMS while, because of slot shortages at LHR, BA only connects five UKJ provincial airports to LHR.

With the summer schedules and its disposal of BA Connect to Flybe, BA has significantly increased its RJ100 flights between LCY and Scotland. I wonder if the strategy here is to draw traffic from their LHR-GLA and LHR-EDI flights to free up further slots at LHR. If so their disposal of BA Connect and the re-formation of BA Cityflyer to operate their RJ100 fleet out of LCY could have been part of their strategy to prepare for the probable Open Skies agreement between EU and the USA.
 
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RE: BA Buys 51 LHR Slots From BMI!

Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:45 am

bmi = bonkers midless idiots!

LHR is the jewel in the aviation crown...and with open-skies just around
the corner, why-oh-why would bmi sell slots that are like gold-dust?!?!  banghead 

The need to sort out whether they are going to turn their LHR & MAN operations into proper
hubs, and use their UK & European routes to feed them, or whether they will continue to
be a Star-feed.

Someone needs to take control of the pilot-less aircraft that is bmi, and set it either on a
safe heading to prosperity, or land at the nearest buyout airport...
flying is the safest form of transport - until humans get involved!