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American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:40 pm

 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:19 pm

I guess they chose ROW over Alamogordo(ALM) because ALM is only 80 miles from ELP so keeping local traffic would be difficult. ROW and Carlsbad are quite isolated so service by any carrier is probably welcomed with open arms.

Quoting WTXJET (Thread starter):
Good news for those in Southeast New Mexico.

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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:02 pm

Quoting WTXJET (Thread starter):
Good news for those in Southeast New Mexico.

Absolutely.

American Eagle also had plans to fly into Ruidoso (RUI), but the service never materialized. I hope that doesn't happen with ROW.

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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:20 pm

Hope it works out better than the much touted American Eagle service in FMN (Farmington, NM in the northwest corner of the state). Service ended after a year.
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:22 pm

Any chance of AA Eagle restarting some of its DFW-Midwest routes like DFW-RST/GRB/TOL??
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:46 pm

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 2):
American Eagle also had plans to fly into Ruidoso (RUI), but the service never materialized. I hope that doesn't happen with ROW.

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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:51 pm

I don't think there is any question that Eagle could probably make DFW-ROW work, but I question whether it will be economically viable long-term if operated with RJs? If Eagle sent 2-3 SAABs, I don't think there would be any problem, but I am not sure if a market as small and undeveloped as Roswell can support the operating costs of regional jets, even if the route is subsidized or supported.
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
will be economically viable long-term if operated with RJs? If Eagle sent 2-3 SAABs,

Would the SAABs be more economical? This would probably be the longest stage length for the SAAB Eagle network - this is probably just under a 600 mile flight (DFW-ELP is 550) Even if they were more economical, I do not know if a 3 hour ride on a SF-340 would be that popular.
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting BDL2STL2PVG (Reply 7):
Would the SAABs be more economical? This would probably be the longest stage length for the SAAB Eagle network - this is probably just under a 600 mile flight (DFW-ELP is 550) Even if they were more economical, I do not know if a 3 hour ride on a SF-340 would be that popular.

Theyre not going to send a saab on a 3 hour flight.
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:23 am

Damn I was hoping they would come my way in SAF. Well we have ABQ not far away so I guess the folks in ROW need it more.
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:16 am

This would be thanks to a SCASD grant given to ROW to attract either American Eagle to DFW or Continental Express to IAH.

I'd also note though, that Mesa/Air Midwest has said it may need to pull out of ROW if it is successful in attracting jet service, as Mesa/Air Midwest anticipates its passenger levels to drop in that instance.
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 10):
I'd also note though, that Mesa/Air Midwest has said it may need to pull out of ROW if it is successful in attracting jet service, as Mesa/Air Midwest anticipates its passenger levels to drop in that instance.

I think that is probably an astute asumption on Mesa's part. If they're offering a few flights per day with 19-seat props with no lavs to ABQ, while Eagle will be offering two daily flights on 44-seat jets with leather seats (and lavs!) to the world's second largest hub, Mesa may face a bit of a competition problem. That being said, I'd hate to see ROW put all its eggs in the Eagle basket because, after six months, if Eagle gets insecure and leaves (talk to DLH) ROW will then be left with no service.
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:40 am

Actually, when Eagle came to FMN, YV increased their service (and at the time were already running 11 flts a day to ABQ, 10 a day (UAX) to DEN, and 6 a day (HPX) to PHX). If I recall, they added 1 each to the hubs, and an HPX daily to LAS on an Brasilia (in response to the Eagle flts that operated FMN-LAS-LAX). Who knows, maybe ROW will come out ahead....

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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting Usair320 (Reply 9):
Damn I was hoping they would come my way in SAF. Well we have ABQ not far away so I guess the folks in ROW need it more.

It still shocks me that more airlines don't serve SAF. Anyone have an explanation as to why?
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:08 am

Quoting Ssides (Reply 13):
It still shocks me that more airlines don't serve SAF. Anyone have an explanation as to why?

1. too close to ABQ and WN fares

2. Isnt there a limit on aircraft size that can serve SAF, like 30 seats?
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting BDL2STL2PVG (Reply 7):
Would the SAABs be more economical? This would probably be the longest stage length for the SAAB Eagle network - this is probably just under a 600 mile flight (DFW-ELP is 550) Even if they were more economical, I do not know if a 3 hour ride on a SF-340 would be that pop

No, if there is a larger demand, a ERJ would be fine. A Q400 would be most economical, if Eagle ever gets them.
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting Travatl (Reply 3):
Hope it works out better than the much touted American Eagle service in FMN (Farmington, NM in the northwest corner of the state). Service ended after a year.

What year did service start and end? I don't recall AA offering this service recently.
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:09 am

It was in the mid-90s. First with SAABs, then with ATR-72s, then back to SAABs...
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 16):
Quoting Travatl (Reply 3):
Hope it works out better than the much touted American Eagle service in FMN (Farmington, NM in the northwest corner of the state). Service ended after a year.

What year did service start and end? I don't recall AA offering this service recently.

My tt indicate New service to Farmington began 9/7/1994 and was discontinued sometime before 9/6/1995. The city is shown, but no schedule to there in 9/6/95 timetable.

They had an 0700 FMN-AMA-DFW SF3 and also an 0730 FMN-LAS-LAX S3.
I always assumed this service was to exchange SF3 aircraft between DFW and LAX hubs and little else.

As a sidenote, I have thought that a ROW-PHX nonstop would do okay,as well.

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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:20 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
I guess they chose ROW over Alamogordo(ALM) because ALM is only 80 miles from ELP so keeping local traffic would be difficult.

Well, ALM has YV's 1900D's coming in there which is a change. They did it for the longest time and they stopped in 2001 (I think). I know they left sometime between 2001 and 2002. Westwind used to service ALM and LRU with PC-12's a few years ago but they went belly up I think. They were trying to get another PC-12 to service LRU-GUP-PHX but that never materialized.
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:55 pm

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 18):
My tt indicate New service to Farmington began 9/7/1994 and was discontinued sometime before 9/6/1995. The city is shown, but no schedule to there in 9/6/95 timetable.

Thanks, I had no idea AA ever served FMN. Just goes to show you what you'll find out when you ask questions.
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:47 pm

DFW-ROW is only 379 miles as the crow flies. That's only a 1:50 hop at most.
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:14 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 11):
I think that is probably an astute asumption on Mesa's part. If they're offering a few flights per day with 19-seat props with no lavs to ABQ, while Eagle will be offering two daily flights on 44-seat jets with leather seats (and lavs!) to the world's second largest hub

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I always wondered why YV didn't offer through ticketing on their intra-New Mexico ABQ-XXX flights (xxx being your favorite station in NM). It's not like the locals could afford to pay what Mesa was charging for their flights...so they never attracted anyone but the business traveller on these flights. If they connected with the majors at ABQ, I think it would have been a different story...

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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:09 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 8):
Theyre not going to send a saab on a 3 hour flight.



Quoting Ssides (Reply 13):
It still shocks me that more airlines don't serve SAF

I remember an airline, think it was LoneStar flying 328s between DFW and Santa Fe around 2000.
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:13 am

Regarding SAF. Airfield elevation is 6300ft and the longest rwy is 8300ft. Weight restrictions come into play because of the high altitude. Mountain Air Express (MAXair) did serve ABQ-SAF-DEN on a code share for WestPac just before their demise, but I dont recall Lone Star serving SAF, they did however have svc from SRR (Ruidoso) to DFW with a stop at either ABI or MAF, and one point I think they also served ROW. Besides YV ROW had TransColorado In the 80s whose flts were to ELP and ABQ, but you still have to connect just to get to a hub and then go on. Eagle might pull this off if its marketed well to all of Southeastern NM. People in CNM and HOB will be happier to simply drive to ROW instead of the 4hrs it takes to drive to ABQ, ELP, MAF or LBB. This will be intresting to watch.
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 23):
I remember an airline, think it was LoneStar flying 328s between DFW and Santa Fe around 2000.

I know that in 1997 Lone Star/Aspen Mountain Air flew from DFW to Santa Fe, Aspen and Del Rio as a codeshare with American. I think, though, that these flights ended sometime in 1997 or 1998, as I think the company went out of business around that time.
 
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:15 am

Isnt the FFDO (Federal Flight Deck Officer) training school in ROW, or Chaves county? Right now those guys come up to ABQ to fly out.
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RE: American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW

Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:47 am

I wonder if there would be any potential for putting together ski packages to Ski Apache with this service together. Yes I know, it's not Colorado, but it's cheaper and closer.

(then again, I live in Austin and AUS-ROW can be made in under 8 hours...by car... via SH71, US87 and US380)
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