Matt1167
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"Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:21 am

Well, upon looking at flight schedules on the Boston-Maine Airways website, it appears that they are upto another one of their "tricks" again.

All of their routes and services only go as far out as May 11 (with the exception of ELM-SFB, which, as announced earlier, will end on 4-13). After that, there are no available flights on any routes.

Could this be the real end of this pathetic insult to the name Pan Am, or could it be another "regrouping"?

Any thoughts?

In any case, I would be pretty hesitant to fly on this airline, knowing their tendencies.
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:42 am

They've had their schedule looking like this for a while...the ELM-SFB service has been adding couple of service legs "here and there." It's very sporatic...but I don't think it means the end of anything. I guess we'll have to wait and see...


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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:56 am

I thnk it's just more of the same.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were some way to pull the brand from that guy that owns it? Ugh. He insults the entire industry.
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:29 am

Quoting Matt1167 (Thread starter):

All of their routes and services only go as far out as May 11

Oh no!! I am flying out of HVN on May 14 (on US to PHL and NAS, on my way up I'm arriving in HPN via DCA), and I was really hoping to catch a Blue Ball at the airport!
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:07 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Wouldn't it be nice if there were some way to pull the brand from that guy that owns it? Ugh. He insults the entire industry.

I completely agree.

A monkey could do a better job running an airline then him. The only thing that Pan Am IV has done thus far through that actually makes any sense was to take the TTN-BED route from USAir, since it actually does happen to be a popular flight for business travellers.

But in all honesty, how many people are going to use a flight which operates once a week between PSM and HVN?

It just doesn't seem to make any sense ..
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:13 pm

Easy guys, you are talking about Travel and Leisure magazine's #10 top domestic airline for 2006. Seriously. And yet that magazine actually thinks they are relevant. As do certain readers when their favorite airline makes their top 10 list...
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:14 pm

I wish that guy would sell the brand somebody with a clue....

For the life of me I cannot understand the reasoning behind running a good into the ground? Is this a new part of the MBA curriculum I am not aware of?
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:36 am

They have a ridiculous route system. Never made ANY sense.
Cities Dropped as far as I can remember
Tunica
Atlanta
Didn't they want to fly to Canton,OH
Didn't they have Puerto Rico Routes? What happend to them?
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:36 am

Does the 727 fly to SFB? I guess it could be one of the few opportunities to fly one in the U.S?
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:43 am

IIRC,they once flew Worcester-Sanford/Orlando. Priced it once..it was more than 300 dollars round trip.--about twice what
a TPA/BOS ticket would cost. Agree with previous posters...t'would be better to have the "blue ball" a sweet memory than to see if bastardized like this....
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Asuflyer (Reply 7):
Tunica
Atlanta

The ATL-UTA route actually made sense; it was just poorly executed on the part of Boston Maine. They had a/c sitting at ATL unused on certain days of the week when they weren't running flights out of ATL (Mainly for Vacation Express, but you could book them via the PACC website). UTA was wanting airline service to their newly upgraded airport. Some of the complaints I heard was that the flights were poorly timed in regards to hotel check in/check out and the shuttle service between UTA and the casinos wasn't very good either (That can't be blamed on BMA). But like the airline has done time and time again, they left town with no warning. From what I recall in the thread on them dropping the ATL-UTA service the loads were actually quite decent at the time they dropped service.
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:12 am

there is a long list of cities that Pan Am has served for brief periods of time.

I wonder if Allegiant might one day try service to Tunica.
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:58 am

The company that bought them is a primarily a rail operator, they bought the brand pimarily for their freight operations.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Railways

they seem to be a large company offering freight service, airline service and also a full FBO offering 727 flight training

seems like an impressive outfit...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Systems
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:02 am

they do seem to be selling some of their equipment
http://www.panamservices.com/surp.html

http://www.panamservices.com/images2/Tug.JPG

http://www.panamservices.com/images2/small_tug.JPG

anybody wants to but a small piece of history ???
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:05 am

here is the page on theur 727 training program

http://www.727training.com/index.html

here is the lovely calendar featuring trains carrying the pan am logo

http://www.panamrailways.com/
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:12 am

Hmmm, but I am on their mailing list and have been getting regular promotional updates, etc. Maybe it is another one of their fuel savings shutdowns?
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:30 am

What are those ex-US J-31s doing there? Being converted for BMA use, on such great routes as PSM-BED (for the low price of $159)?
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:54 am

Looks like they positioned a 727 to ELM this morning to run a ELM-SFB flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXS948

It will be departing as CXS215 to SFB. I wonder how well these flights really do?
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:31 am

They're always positioning a/c around the country for various charter operations. They make some decent money on the charters, which is why they're probably in no hurry to rush those 3 727's back into sked service. It was beginning to look like they were going to really bolster that J31 operation in the northeast....they're hiring crews for these a/c.


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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:55 am

Maybe they are one of the UFO orders for the 787! Ok maybe not, but they do need some new birds and some new management while they are at it.
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:41 am

Maybe they're getting ready to announce Pan Am V as an actually scheduled airline and not a Charter Operation. Bit I agree, sell the naming rights to someone who can actually run an airline (Like Gordon Bethune!)
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:00 am

As a goodwill gesture, maybe they're giving it to Delta.
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:33 am

Anyone else hear Juan Trippe spinning in his grave?
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting Asuflyer (Reply 7):
Cities Dropped as far as I can remember
Tunica
Atlanta
Didn't they want to fly to Canton,OH
Didn't they have Puerto Rico Routes? What happend to them?

Also:
Youngstown, OH is the Canton region airport you're thinking of.
Columbus, OH (LCK)
PIE
SJU
BQN

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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:34 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 23):
Also:
Youngstown, OH is the Canton region airport you're thinking of.
Columbus, OH (LCK)
PIE
SJU
BQN

Also:
ACY
HGR
CBE (although all op by BMA J31's)
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 14):
here is the lovely calendar featuring trains carrying the pan am logo

http://www.panamrailways.com/

Seeing that name and logo on a rail car just turns my stomach! The next thing you know, Greyhound will buy the rights to the TWA name and plaster the TWA logo on busses!  cry 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:42 pm

Quoting Nkops (Reply 24):
Also:
ACY
HGR
CBE (although all op by BMA J31's)

...Pan Am V/IV never operated into ACY.

At least .. not scheduled service, anyway.
 
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RE: "Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..

Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:57 am

Quoting Matt1167 (Reply 26):
Pan Am V/IV never operated into ACY.

BMA operated the J31's into ACY from PSM and BWI.... They only did it to add to the ACY-DCA flight they were contracted to run by the FAA to shuttle feds back and forth. When they lost the contract due to poor performance, they pulled out of ACY altogether.
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