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Delta Upgrading SLC-PIT To Mainline

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:22 am

Effective June 7, Delta will upgrade its Salt Lake City-Pittsburgh route to an MD-90 from a SkyWest CRJ-900, an increase of about 80 seats on the route. Seems like a pretty fast upgrade for a route that just began March 1.

Good to see Delta continuing to grow SLC. Also, it will be great to see an MD-90 in Pittsburgh -- I don't think PIT has ever had regular scheduled service of the type. Maybe I'll find an excuse to fly to Salt Lake City in June.  Wink
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:43 am

Well, that didn't take very long. Great news!

Didn't TWA fly MD-90's? If so, I think they came into PIT
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:11 am

Negative on TWA MD-90s. They did operate B717s so if you are a purist you might call it an MD-95

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Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:15 am

Wow, DL certainly seems committed to the PIT market. Things just keep getting better and better for you guys!
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 3):
Wow, DL certainly seems committed to the PIT market. Things just keep getting better and better for you guys!

I agree, DL does seem to have a pretty nice operation here in PIT. I hope that we might get to see some upgrade in frequency with that route sometime in the near future.
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:44 am

How dose Delta now rank at PIT as far as daily flights? Congrats to the PIT fans. John.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:06 am

This is indeed good news for DL and even better news for SLC. This shows that SLC is an important hub nationally for DL, and that they can go in and beat US in one of their big focus operations bringing people into SLC for a west coast connection rather than PHX or LAS. Any word on how CLT is doing with the 738? I was disappointed to see that SLC-YVR was downgraded from a 738 to an MD-90 for the Spring/Summer since this is a route I've flown several times in the past year, and will continue to fly. I hope that plans to still further downgrade the afternoon flight to a CRJ-7/9 don't reach fruition in that even during the slower fall/winter months it has had 70% load factors or better. Hopefully the addition of some 752s can free up another mainline aircraft for this one.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting N670UW (Thread starter):
Good to see Delta continuing to grow SLC. Also, it will be great to see an MD-90 in Pittsburgh -- I don't think PIT has ever had regular scheduled service of the type. Maybe I'll find an excuse to fly to Salt Lake City in June.

No, negative on the MD-90s here in PIT. I did see one at TPA in October of 2003, though.

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 5):
How dose Delta now rank at PIT as far as daily flights? Congrats to the PIT fans. John.

22 daily flights, IIRC. Third in the market behind WN and US, also third as far as passenger counts too.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
This is indeed good news for DL and even better news for SLC. This shows that SLC is an important hub nationally for DL, and that they can go in and beat US in one of their big focus operations bringing people into SLC for a west coast connection rather than PHX or LAS. Any word on how CLT is doing with the 738? I was disappointed to see that SLC-YVR was downgraded from a 738 to an MD-90 for the Spring/Summer since this is a route I've flown several times in the past year, and will continue to fly. I hope that plans to still further downgrade the afternoon flight to a CRJ-7/9 don't reach fruition in that even during the slower fall/winter months it has had 70% load factors or better. Hopefully the addition of some 752s can free up another mainline aircraft for this one.

DL did not come in and beat US. SLC has never been served by US until now through PHX and LAS. There was never any intention of US starting PITSLC, although WA and DL were prepared to start it in 1983 and 1987, respectively. Not sure why they did not, however. It does show that SLC is becoming a national hub, no question, but this is something that only DL would do from PIT.
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RE: Delta Upgrading SLC-PIT To Mainline

Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:16 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
downgraded from a 738 to an MD-90

Sorry, I would hardly consider this to be a downgrade. I would happily take any MD product over any Boeing or Airbus product any day. Im thrilled with the MD90 service. Enough so that I will now include DL on my west coast trips from now on.
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
SLC-YVR was downgraded from a 738 to an MD-90

This is not a downgrade...both planes have 150 seats on them - 738 has 16F/134Y, M90 has 12F/138Y. Lose 4 F seats, gain 4 Y seats. Only downside is it makes it a bit harder for Medallions to upgrade into F.
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:48 am

Ouch, a CRJ on PIT-SLC????????

Good to see DL committed to growing now and once they get out of Ch.11 Protection
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 10):
Ouch, a CRJ on PIT-SLC????????

The CRJ-900 isn't really that bad of an aircraft for a CRJ. I like it better than the MD-90 in some respects. Skywest service in First Class can't be beat. 10 very comfy first class seats, and 60Y that are at a generous 33-34" pitch. Yeah, the seats are a little narrower than the MD-90s, but there is more leg room on the CR9. And Skywest still has pillows and soft blankets on board, instead of the super cheap blankets on mainline. Wish they had this service when I was flying back and forth to PIT last year, but glad to see it's doing well.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:26 am

This is great news!!
People are waking up to smell the coffee -
Pittsburgh is a great town / great people / and a
great aviation history...

Here's to USAirways expansion / WN expansion /
sniff .. sniff.... can anyone say Lufthansa???

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Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:36 am

WOW. That was a very fast upgrade. Glad to see DL doing some good here.

What bird does DL take to ATL? Which MD is it?
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RE: Delta Upgrading SLC-PIT To Mainline

Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:44 am

Quoting Luketenley (Reply 13):
What bird does DL take to ATL? Which MD is it?

Right now, MD-88's and CRJ's of all shapes and sizes.  Smile
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:47 am

Quoting Luketenley (Reply 13):
What bird does DL take to ATL? Which MD is it?

It is an MD 88 - I have seen those parked on the D concourse at PIT.
DL also uses the CRJ 700's on the flight.

Going down to ATL last year I was on the MD 88.
Unfortunately PIT - ATL was one of the routes axed by US. Lets hope its one of the
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:52 am

Quoting N670UW (Reply 14):
Right now, MD-88's and CRJ's of all shapes and sizes.

Thought so. I see them everyday. Definately loud when they take off! What is the different between the 88 and the 90? And could we be seeing 737 anytime soon?
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:57 am

PIT-CVG will be getting a daily 738 this summer. PIT-ATL will have a daily 757 throughout May.
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 17):
PIT-CVG will be getting a daily 738 this summer. PIT-ATL will have a daily 757 throughout May.

Wow. That is good news to hear that we will have some different planes sitting at the gates. Glad to see DL doing some good here.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting Luketenley (Reply 16):
What is the different between the 88 and the 90?

The -90 has bigger, higher bypass engines (and thus quieter) and seats eight more people than the MD-88. Originally the MD-90 was "Delta's Plane of the Future" for the single isle plane. That was until DL realized they weren't performing like MD promised, and the NG737 became available. Both the Airbus A320 and the 738 far out-perform the MD-90. So they were sent out west because of their good climb performance (better than the MD-88) and shorter range (than the 738). Love the MD-90 from SNA-SLC.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:34 pm

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 19):
The -90 has bigger, higher bypass engines (and thus quieter) and seats eight more people than the MD-88. Originally the MD-90 was "Delta's Plane of the Future" for the single isle plane. That was until DL realized they weren't performing like MD promised, and the NG737 became available. Both the Airbus A320 and the 738 far out-perform the MD-90. So they were sent out west because of their good climb performance (better than the MD-88) and shorter range (than the 738). Love the MD-90 from SNA-SLC.

Nice. Will be nice to see some new faces sitting at the gates!
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:38 pm

Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 17):
PIT-CVG will be getting a daily 738 this summer. PIT-ATL will have a daily 757 throughout May.

HOLY! They are doing that well in PIT? I'd like to think I have contributed to that with a couple DL flights out of PIT since Jan 1. Why a 757 though?
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 21):
HOLY! They are doing that well in PIT? I'd like to think I have contributed to that with a couple DL flights out of PIT since Jan 1. Why a 757 though?

I'm assuming they have very full flights and expect higher pax amounts this spring/ early summer.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting Flaps (Reply 8):
Sorry, I would hardly consider this to be a downgrade. I would happily take any MD product over any Boeing or Airbus product any day. Im thrilled with the MD90 service. Enough so that I will now include DL on my west coast trips from now on.

I'm sorry but I'm the complete opposite with respects to Boeing vs. MD aircraft. I can't wait for the day that DL parks the last MD-88/90 in the desert and rids themselves of the mistakes in sticking with Douglas aircraft even after the company clearly began to falter and go into the dumpster as early as the 1970s. I would love it if DL could wave their magic wand and change all MD-88/90 AC to 737-700s or 738s.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:33 pm

Quoting Luketenley (Reply 22):
I'm assuming they have very full flights and expect higher pax amounts this spring/ early summer.

I wonder... if the 757 does very well, will it stick around, or is it going kaput nomatter what when the time is up?

Still, I am supremely happy to see SLC-PIT going mainline. And people on here thought that route would do pitifully! Here is to even better days with DL in the future!
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RE: Delta Upgrading SLC-PIT To Mainline

Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:06 pm

Unfortunately this upgrade to PIT results in a downgrade for BNA, which will go to CRJ-900. Both PIT and BNA easily have enough demand for the mainline service and the SLC-BNA route has done very well and the loads very good with the MD-90. However, the lack of mainline aircraft in the DL fleet results in having to trade mainline for DL connection now and then, and I suppose DL chose to put the larger bird on the longer flight. I'm sure we'll see mainline back on SLC-BNA in the future.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
Any word on how CLT is doing with the 738?

The SLC-CLT loads have been very good, especially for the route being only one month old. Almost every day in the last month the flights have gone out full or near full.
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:27 pm

About time they upgraded this route to mainline. SkyWest has been taking DB's every day for this flight.
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:34 pm

Quoting N670UW (Thread starter):
Good to see Delta continuing to grow SLC. Also, it will be great to see an MD-90 in Pittsburgh

Definitely good news if you live in PIT. Is this the longest DL MD-90 route now?

Quoting Tooluther (Reply 1):
Didn't TWA fly MD-90's?

Oddly enough, TWA opted for an MD-83 order a few years after the MD-90 entered service.

Quoting Flaps (Reply 8):
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
downgraded from a 738 to an MD-90

Sorry, I would hardly consider this to be a downgrade.

From a passengers standpoint, the MD-90 is an upgrade, no question.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 23):
I can't wait for the day that DL parks the last MD-88/90

From other threads I can tell you have a personal vendetta against the DL Mad Dogs..
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:54 pm

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 25):
Unfortunately this upgrade to PIT results in a downgrade for BNA, which will go to CRJ-900. Both PIT and BNA easily have enough demand for the mainline service and the SLC-BNA route has done very well and the loads very good with the MD-90. However, the lack of mainline aircraft in the DL fleet results in having to trade mainline for DL connection now and then, and I suppose DL chose to put the larger bird on the longer flight. I'm sure we'll see mainline back on SLC-BNA in the future.

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Exactly - bummer, I'm likely taking the SLC-BNA leg this summer.

It's for this reason that I would caution PIT pax about getting too excited over this up-gauge. DL has experimented quite a bit on its flights out of SLC, and I wouldn't be shocked to see it return to the CRJ-900 at some point in the future.
 
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RE: Delta Upgrading SLC-PIT To Mainline

Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:11 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 27):
Definitely good news if you live in PIT. Is this the longest DL MD-90 route now?

I think it just might have that honor. I think SLC-ATL is longer?

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 27):
From other threads I can tell you have a personal vendetta against the DL Mad Dogs..

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Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 27):
From a passengers standpoint, the MD-90 is an upgrade, no question.

From any CRJ without any doubt, but from a 738? NEVER!
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RE: Delta Upgrading SLC-PIT To Mainline

Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7):
DL did not come in and beat US. SLC has never been served by US until now through PHX and LAS. There was never any intention of US starting PITSLC,

He meant not SLC as stand alone destination but that DL grabs a bigger slice of the market PIT-west coast states, as they will offer connecting flights to every backwater in CA, AZ, NV, OR etc. from SLC just like US/HP is doing from LAS and PHX.
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RE: Delta Upgrading SLC-PIT To Mainline

Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 30):
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7):
DL did not come in and beat US. SLC has never been served by US until now through PHX and LAS. There was never any intention of US starting PIT-SLC,

He meant not SLC as stand alone destination but that DL grabs a bigger slice of the market PIT-west coast states, as they will offer connecting flights to every backwater in CA, AZ, NV, OR etc. from SLC just like US/HP is doing from LAS and PHX.

Much thanks for the clarification. PHX and LAS might be bigger metro areas and have substantially superior O&D numbers, but SLC has a much better geographical location for being the sort of hub it is.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 21):
HOLY! They are doing that well in PIT?

ATL is a top five destination from PIT for business and pleasure travelers. There are always huge throngs at the FL and DL gates.

Of all the routes US cut, this one I NEVER understood. I think it will be back on the E70/90's once they get up to strength.
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:47 pm

Quoting Tooluther (Reply 32):
Of all the routes US cut, this one I NEVER understood.

Good loads don't always equal good yields. I believe that's what US cited when they dropped it- they couldn't justify keeping RJs on the route with crappy yields.
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 28):
It's for this reason that I would caution PIT pax about getting too excited over this up-gauge. DL has experimented quite a bit on its flights out of SLC, and I wouldn't be shocked to see it return to the CRJ-900 at some point in the future.

Thanks for the heads up, but I am still one of those who views the glass as half full...
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:03 am

I have an office door on the south side of Cargo 1 less than 100 yards from the threshold of 28R. You can bank on it that I'll be angling for closeups of that MD90 powering up for takeoff.
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:22 am

Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 26):
SkyWest has been taking DB's every day for this flight.

Uh huh. Sure, bud. You keep believing that.
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RE: Delta Upgrading SLC-PIT To Mainline

Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 26):
SkyWest has been taking DB's every day for this flight.

What are DB's anyhow?

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 33):
Good loads don't always equal good yields.

US, DL and FL would be an awful lot of capacity on that route. Plus not too far away you have CAK-ATL on FL and DL, and in CLE you have CO running to ATL as well as DL.