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VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:11 am

Just read on the BBC that a VS pilot was removed from a flight to NYC, breathalysed and arrested for being above the limit.

More info at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6516827.stm
 
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:43 pm

Fire him and put him away in prison!
This behaviour is simply unacceptable
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:45 pm

He certainly should be fired. Prison would probably just turn him into a professional criminal and accomplish no useful purpose.
 
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:18 pm

He most probably will be fired. All of the investment he made and VS made into him to be a pilot was a waste. Any person in his position who had to know they were so intoxicated that they couldn't do their job has a serious problem that needs to be resolved. Most important would be for him to go into a long-term alcohol rehab program. I have seen too many people with alcohol problems so severe that they never could or would go into rehab and ended up dead well below a normal age.
 
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:18 pm

Hmmm very interesting. I'm actually not sure where I sit on this one. Part of me agrees, strip him of his license and never let him fly again. However, we don't know the facts, and we don't know if he was even drunk.

The legal limit for car drivers in the UK is 35 microgrammes of alcohol on the breath. For pilots it is just 9 mircrogrammes. The thing is, having a good load of certain cough medicines or mouthwash can leave 9 mg on the breath. All we know is the pilot was over the limit of 9mg. Doesn't mean he was and staggering round the airport and certainly doesn't mean he was "drunk".

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Any person in his position who had to know they were so intoxicated that they couldn't do their job has a serious problem that needs to be resolved. Most important would be for him to go into a long-term alcohol rehab program

Unfortunately that is simply not true. We can't judge him, or indeed any problems he might have until the facts are known. For all we know, he may only have registered at 10mg, and as I said before that doesn't even mean he's been drinking, let alone unfit to do his job.

Pilots have rules to live by concerning alcohol, and this guy was over that limit so has definately been foolish. But the punishment should depend on the situation, and for that he's been arrested and will appear in court. If there is a case to answer it will be done so there and I'm sure relevant action will be taken.

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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:34 pm

This reminds me of a Royal Brunei captain that was found to be drunk. The great irony is, of course, that Brunei is a strict no-alcohol country, and as such Royal Brunei is prohibited from supplying alcohol.  Big grin

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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:09 am

Hold on guys, the article says, 'An airline pilot has been arrested on suspicion of being above the alcohol limit on board a plane due to fly to New York, police have confirmed.'

Note that this doesn't actually state that he was definately over the limit. It could turn out that he was not over the limit. Lets just wait until the test results are back until you start judging.
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 6):
Hold on guys, the article says, 'An airline pilot has been arrested on suspicion of being above the alcohol limit on board a plane due to fly to New York, police have confirmed.'

Note that this doesn't actually state that he was definately over the limit. It could turn out that he was not over the limit. Lets just wait until the test results are back until you start judging.

Exactly. He was breathalised though, so I guess they run blood tests after that to get more detail. Very interesting that this morning the BBC headline used the word "drunk" but has now changed to "drink charge". The press making a huge deal out of it for a change. Some moron (sorry "Industry expert") on Sky News earlier suggested all pilots should be breathalised before flying!
 
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:14 am

A breath test is not used on pilots. The 9 microgramme limit is too small for the machines to accurately measure. A blood sample is taken by a doctor and the sample analysed at a laboratory. That is why he has been bailed.
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting RB211LTN (Reply 8):
A breath test is not used on pilots. The 9 microgramme limit is too small for the machines to accurately measure. A blood sample is taken by a doctor and the sample analysed at a laboratory.

I would think it takes a 'few days' to get the results back, right? Wait, he was not in the US so it might be sooner.  wink 

Either way, let's not crucify him yet, maybe he wasn't even oven the limit.
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting RB211LTN (Reply 8):
A breath test is not used on pilots. The 9 microgramme limit is too small for the machines to accurately measure. A blood sample is taken by a doctor and the sample analysed at a laboratory. That is why he has been bailed.

Thanks for the info, I was just going by BBC news which state he was. What? the media got it wrong?
 
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 9):
Either way, let's not crucify him yet, maybe he wasn't even oven the limit.

Every time something come up like this there are people who jump right on the guy and want to send him away to prison for life.

We shouldn't judge before all the facts are in. Cases like this seem to be in the news a lot and we rarely actually hear how they turned out. If it turns out that the pilot was within the legal limit or not drinking at all I bet we will hear not another word about it.

There are lots of people in this world who want to ban alcohol, many under the guise of public safety. When a story like this hits the scene they run with it. It doesn't matter to them if he is guilty or not, it just gets their point across.

No pilot should operate an aircraft drunk, but lets not try and convict the man here, it is not the right place. Everyone looks guilty when the media get a hold of it.

Quoting RB211LTN (Reply 8):
A breath test is not used on pilots. The 9 microgramme limit is too small for the machines to accurately measure. A blood sample is taken by a doctor and the sample analysed at a laboratory. That is why he has been bailed.



Quoting Brenintw (Thread starter):
breathalysed and arrested for being above the limit.

If they don't breathalyze pilots then this story must be reviewed for accuracy. Most people probably don't know that so when they read the story they assume its true.

We all know newspapers, TV, and the like are always accurate.  Wink
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:25 am

We normally bail people for 6 weeks for the results of the blood analysis. The pilot is entitled to a sample, too, which he may get analysed independently. When he returns to the police station at LHR he will be released with no further action or charged with the offence, depending on the result of the test.
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:48 am

I wonder if all you people saying he should loose his job and go to prison are so perfect that you have never made a mistake.

Good to see that you have found him guilty already based on a few lousy facts in the media, most of which are wrong anyway.

I hope you are all proud of your immature judgements.

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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:26 am

Might I suggest that anyone and everyone employed by VS makes a point of staying out of this discussion.

Whilst there may well be other circumstances and factors not in the public domain, it might be prudent to leave the speculation and sabre rattling to the armchair CEOs, self taught Authorised Medical Examiners and self appointed a.net police & heresy witch doctors who are always so vociferous and eloquent on matters like this here.

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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:59 am

"most of which are probably wrong anyway."

Sorry missed the word "probably" out of that sentence in the previous post (but too late to re-edit it) however based on the accuracy of most aviation related media reports it is safe to assume some of the facts may be wrong.

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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:04 am

Recently an AA pilot turned up at MAN apparently drunk. He was arrested. He was found to be 8 times over the limit. He was charged. He was sent to trial. He was found NOT guilty. So we should wait and see. Here are the details:
http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...us_and_americas/article1550909.ece
 
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RE: VS Pilot Arrested On Drink Charge

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 4):
However, we don't know the facts, and we don't know if he was even drunk.

Exactly!

Let the man have his "day in court".
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