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PanAm And Eastern Europe?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:05 am

I was wondering if PanAm ever served Eastern Europe, and what cities and frequencies? Thanks very much in advance.
 
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RE: PanAm And Eastern Europe?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:27 am

Pan Am was the only U.S. Airline serving eastern Europe. In addition to Berlin, they flew to Warsaw, Prague, Budapest, Bucharest, Istanbul, Krakow, Vienna, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Ankara. Most were 1X daily.

[Edited 2007-04-02 20:29:01]
 
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RE: PanAm And Eastern Europe?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:26 am

This link will give a good idea.

http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/TIMETABLES-PAN%20AM.html

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RE: PanAm And Eastern Europe?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:29 pm

PanAm in PRG:


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RE: PanAm And Eastern Europe?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting Azstar (Reply 1):
In addition to Berlin, they flew to Warsaw, Prague, Budapest, Bucharest, Istanbul, Krakow, Vienna, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Ankara. Most were 1X daily.

Also, Zagreb, Dubrovnik, and Belgrade.

Most of the time these were from FRA but there were periods in the '80s where some of these were served from MUC and/or ZRH instead. Most flights were actually not even daily - places like Krakow and Prague saw service about 2-4x weekly and some of these were served one-stop from FRA - such as FRA-WAW-KRK or FRA-PRG-KRK or FRA-ZAG-BEG or FRA-SVO-LED.

In terms of nonstops from the US, PA did, at different times, operate the following nonstops:

JFK-TXL (A310)
JFK-WAW (A310)
JFK-VIE (A310)
JFK-BUD (A310)
JFK-SVO (747)
JFK-ZAG (A310)

All others were served either one or two stops from the US via FRA or MUC or ZRH...

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RE: PanAm And Eastern Europe?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:22 pm

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
JFK-TXL (A310)
JFK-WAW (A310)
JFK-VIE (A310)
JFK-BUD (A310)
JFK-SVO (747)
JFK-ZAG (A310)

They tried their absolute best to convert the FRA-BEG 727 sectors into non-stops but could not "crack" the mighty JAT at the time, who was going upto 5 times per day, in high season, from BEG to USA with DC-10.
 
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RE: PanAm And Eastern Europe?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:32 am

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 5):
They tried their absolute best to convert the FRA-BEG 727 sectors into non-stops but could not "crack" the mighty JAT at the time, who was going upto 5 times per day, in high season, from BEG to USA with DC-10.

Well, I doubt they ever really wanted it especially because they didn't have the right planes for such services. After Pan am's bancrupcy, when Delta entered the market for a short period of time, chances could have been better if the war(s) didn't stop it.
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RE: PanAm And Eastern Europe?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:07 am

I flew on PA 707s in the early 70s from FRA-BEG. By '77 I flew on a 727-21 from FRA-BEG.
Fast forward to '84 and I flew on a former Air Florida 737 from ZAG-MUC.
By '87 i went on a 727-200 former NA from FRA-BEG.
In '88 I flew on a 727-200 from FRA-BUD-DBV.
 
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RE: PanAm And Eastern Europe?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:12 am

Pan Am and Aeroflot both started service JFK-SVO in 1968 after many years of negotiations. PA operated via CPH and SU operated via YUL. The first North America-Soviet Union direct air service was between YUL and SVO in 1966. SU and AC each operated once a week, AC with a DC-8 via CPH, and SU using the huge 4-engine turboprop Tupolev-114, based on the Tu-95 "Bear" long-range bomber. It was roughly the size of a stretched DC-8-61/63.


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When the US and Soviet Union finally negotiated a bilateral in 1968, SU extended their existing YUL service to JFK but by then they had introduced the Ilyushin-62 jet. It's inaugural international route for SU in 1967 was SVO-YUL. The story was that the Soviets stalled on agreeing to direct service to/from the USA until they had a longhaul jet more competitive with the 707 and DC-8.

AC's operation to Moscow didn't last very long, a couple of years or so. It wasn't profitable and they dropped it but SU continued operating.

Pan Am suspended service to Moscow in 1978 which had also never been profitable. They reinstated service in 1986.

TIME magazine article from July 1968 re the new JFK-SVO service just about to begin:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,900302,00.html

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