USADreamliner
Topic Author
Posts: 1211
Joined: Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:33 pm

Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:52 am

This is from USA Today in the sky (Apr. 2) :

Afghanistan's Ariana Afghan Airlines appears to face a bleak future and "could be days from collapse due to corruption, mismanagement and a crippling aircraft leasing arrangement that has drowned the struggling carrier in debt,"
Ariana's safety department has given certification to mechanics and pilots in exchange for bribes as little as $200. The airline's maintenance department also is said to have 500 people on its payroll but only 30 working. Or consider that Ariana employs 1,800 but flies only seven planes.
Ariana is blacklisted from flying to European Union countries because of safety concerns; it mostly flies to the United Arab Emirates, India, and Turkey. U.S. Embassy and United Nations employees are also banned from flying the airline due to safety concerns.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2007/04/afghan_airline_.html


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © F. de Ruiter
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frank C. Duarte Jr.



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © JPC van Heijst
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Weimeng

 
User avatar
SEPilot
Posts: 4970
Joined: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:21 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:58 am

Are they still flying a passenger 707? Are they the last airline doing it?
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
 
757MDE
Posts: 1451
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:45 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:33 am

I don't think they fly a 707 but I think SAHA Air in Iran still does
Quisiera volveraamartevolveraquerertevolveratenertecerrrrcaademígirl! Mis ojos lloran porrr ti...
 
User avatar
SEPilot
Posts: 4970
Joined: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:21 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 2):
I don't think they fly a 707 but I think SAHA Air in Iran still does

I looked again at the photo and the date is 1978. Oh, well...
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 21134
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:24 pm

Shame to see them collapse. They still have a big office in FRA which must cost them alot. Having that many staff for such a small operation are crazy. I wonder if they will get aid from the Afghan government?? If they had have got their act together they could have made a good airline.
 
LAXintl
Posts: 20183
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:29 pm

Here is the full USA Today article thats mentioned in the original posters abbreviated blog link

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...airline-on-brink-of-collapse_N.htm
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 21134
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:54 pm

Just this point that makes me curious :::

''Since the fall of the Taliban regime, Ariana has received considerable foreign support. India donated Airbus jetliners to help the airline recover from the U.S.-led invasion, when six jetliners sitting on runways were bombed.''

Were these planes not insured??? If not would it not be right for USA to replace these A/C if they destroyed them???
 
777way
Posts: 6470
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:38 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:18 am

Some Gulf carrier should take over them and help them develop regionally.
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 21134
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
Some Gulf carrier should take over them and help them develop regionally.

That would be an ideal solution as long as it wasnt a conflict of interest.
 
cloudyapple
Posts: 1261
Joined: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:01 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:09 am

Oh and this $hit happened to them last week:

Ariana A300 overruns while landing at Istanbul Ataturk
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...e-landing-at-istanbul-ataturk.html

Aircraft was written straight off.

[Edited 2007-04-03 18:11:44]
A310/A319/20/21/A332/3/A343/6/A388/B732/5/7/8/B742/S/4/B752/B763/B772/3/W/E145/J41/MD11/83/90
 
Chiguire
Posts: 1848
Joined: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:11 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:13 am

Lufthansa Consulting is doing a wonderful job in Kabul ! They have helped them to get on the blacklist in EU and now this !

Either it is an extremely and almost impossible job - then they should have left Ariana a long time ago to protect their image. Or they are just doing a very very bad job for all the EU money they are getting !
 
PADSpot
Posts: 1637
Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:31 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:56 am

Fish starts to smell from the head first. One should replace the current leadership, bring in some serious people and then start all over again ... it's impossible to solve that issue by gradually replacing people. They definitely need help and leadership from outside by people who don't need the money. Emirates could really do a great job there .. they have the money and the cultural understanding.

When I was working in Vietnam two years ago, we had a supplier in Cambodia who had once started as part of some UN economic promotion program. When product quality and adherence to schedule became worse and worse we paid them a visit. It took us a week to dig in their processes, but only after two days I got the impression to be in some sort of money distribution center ...
 
jaysit
Posts: 10186
Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2000 11:50 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:00 am

But how could that be?

Things are so lovely now in Afghanistan!!!
Atheism is Myth Understood.
 
planeboy
Posts: 752
Joined: Sat May 21, 2005 2:56 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:28 am

They could take a cue from UL (Srilankan). Its a kind of joint management from EK and Srilankan govt. But who want to be EK for the poor Ariana is a million dollor question. May be Saudia / Oman Air / Etihad?
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 21134
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
Either it is an extremely and almost impossible job

Its proberbly a case of LH advises and then Ariana staff and management decide which bits of advice to take!!!
 
CV580Freak
Posts: 886
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:39 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:51 am

Watch this space, there were already people there looking to set up a new airline even before Ariana got into trouble.

Can't say who but I'm hoping to be out there soon to be part of the team, all I can say at the moment.
One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
 
777way
Posts: 6470
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:38 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 13):
But who want to be EK for the poor Ariana is a million dollor question. May be Saudia / Oman Air / Etihad?

Qatar Airways would be good.

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 15):
Can't say who but I'm hoping to be out there soon to be part of the team, all I can say at the moment.

Hope its a reputable concern and not just anybody.
 
Chiguire
Posts: 1848
Joined: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:11 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 15):
Can't say who but I'm hoping to be out there soon to be part of the team, all I can say at the moment.

You don't mean Pamir, do you ?
 
abrelosojos
Posts: 4050
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 6:48 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
Lufthansa Consulting is doing a wonderful job in Kabul ! They have helped them to get on the blacklist in EU and now this !

= Right on. LH consulting is such the scam ... I wonder if devaid dollars go to pay LHC fees.

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 13):
May be Saudia / Oman Air / Etihad?

= Saudia and Oman Air need their house checked before advising others. EY makes sense.

-A.
Live, and let live.
 
Byrdluvs747
Posts: 2377
Joined: Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:25 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:53 am

I really don't see much of a future for any Afghan airline. When the US pulls out (and they will), guess who will be there to take over.
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
 
Alessandro
Posts: 4962
Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2001 3:13 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:59 am

PIA is also blacklisted so Ariana isn´t the only one. No, I think no one wants to help them out without someone else paying.
From New Yorqatar to Califarbia...
 
bennett123
Posts: 7461
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:49 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:42 pm

The A300 will/is clearly being scrapped. I doubt if replacement will be difficult provided the insurance company pays up.
 
ChinaClipper40
Posts: 200
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:23 am

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:36 pm

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 15):
Watch this space, there were already people there looking to set up a new airline even before Ariana got into trouble.
Can't say who but I'm hoping to be out there soon to be part of the team, all I can say at the moment.

If you're talking about Kam Air, don't bother. It's even worse than Ariana. In every respect - service, maintenance, safety, financial strength, corruption, incompetence, you name it. And the incompetence and corruption are so embedded, there's no realistic chance of turning it around.

ChinaClipper40
 
User avatar
SEPilot
Posts: 4970
Joined: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:21 pm

RE: Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse

Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:11 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
Or consider that Ariana employs 1,800 but flies only seven planes.

I don't see how any airline can survive with this kind of structure. Let it fail and another start from scratch; there's nothing to build on here.
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler