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US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:50 am

Today on Crew News Scott Kirby stated that US will acquire A340-500s BEFORE the China route is given out. He said they are looking at other routes to fly them on in case China isn't awarded. PHX to some over sea destination is one that they are looking at in this case. It is my understanding that US will get A340s no matter what.

Anyone else see this on the Hub? What do you get out of it?
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:51 am

Quoting Mu2 (Thread starter):
What do you get out of it?

Ummm, April Fools?

If not, some kind of link would be nice. But I must say, this isnt bad news, if its true
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:56 am

I can't give you a link. It's on our employee website, and you need a password for that. He said it on a recorded video so I don't think I can find anything in writing but I'll look.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:08 am

where on the hub do I find this video?
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:15 am

Under Crew News. Click on 3/22. All kinds of cool stuff!

Scott also said they are looking for more A330s!
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 am

Brilliant! Lets just hope they have the decency to not pack people into the A-345 like they do into the A-333. I will sing Parker's praises quite often, but the seating situation in the A-333 is absurd... so absurd the 757 is actually the more comfortable option! I fear what type of damage they can do with the 345 for 18 hour flights.
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:28 am

Is this in addition to the A350's or can we assume that order is cancelled and the deposits were converted to the A345?

It will be interesting to see this bird takeoff, fully laden with fuel for a long haul in summer in PHX. The LH A340 and BA 747 can really eat up runway there too.
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:31 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 6):
Is this in addition to the A350's or can we assume that order is cancelled and the deposits were converted to the A345?

Those A345 would be the ex AC ones not new ones I presume?
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 6):
Is this in addition to the A350's or can we assume that order is cancelled and the deposits were converted to the A345?

Maybe they're taking AC's? I believe Boeing will take AC's if they can't find a lessor so perhaps Airbus will be "buying them back" to lease to US until the A350XWB's enter service (in exchange, of course, for the A350XWB order).
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 6):
Is this in addition to the A350's or can we assume that order is cancelled and the deposits were converted to the A345?

I'm no authority on the subject, but this has to be in addition to what ever next-gen 2 engine aircraft they will be buying, since it seems they haven't made up their mind entirely yet anyway.
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:41 am

Personally I think LH is more likely to restart their FRA-PHX-FRA flight than having US start it up. They tried before and failed, yet now it has more potential with PHX being a Star hub so they should have an easier time filling up an A343. However, I'm sure the A343s were weight restricted, but I don't know of the severity of these restrictions.

A US A345. I'm not a big fan of the A333 in the NC, I can't imagine that an A345 would look any better.
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:48 am

He said expect an announcement in April for the A350 and A32xs or B787 and B73Xs. I believe he said A350 would be delivered in 2011 and the 787s in 2009.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:51 am

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 15):
He said expect an announcement in April for the A350 and A32xs or B787 and B73Xs. I believe he said A350 would be delivered in 2011 and the 787s in 2009.

Well he can't get A350XWBs before 2013 at the earliest, even if he is #1 (which US isn't), because that is the earliest possible time the plane will be available for delivery. Only way for them to get 787's in 2009 is if they already hold some delivery positions for that year.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:58 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
Well he can't get A350XWBs before 2013 at the earliest, even if he is #1 (which US isn't), because that is the earliest possible time the plane will be available for delivery. Only way for them to get 787's in 2009 is if they already hold some delivery positions for that year.

Maybe he said 2011 and 2013. I'll check again tomorrow.

I US not still a launch customer for the A350?
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:00 pm

Wow! How many are they getting and what routes other than China could they use them for? I would love to see that bird in Phoenix.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:03 pm

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 18):
I US not still a launch customer for the A350?



They still have an outstanding order for 20 of the original A350s which they either need to cancel or convert (to the A350XWB or another Airbus product).
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:08 pm

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 15):
I believe he said A350 would be delivered in 2011 and the 787s in 2009.

In next few weeks he said that they will be announcing who they will be going with. The 787s would start delivery in 2011 and the 350s would not be here till 2013. For the interim they will be taking as many 340-500s and 330-300/200s that they can get their hands on.

IMHO Boeing will get the order, US can't wait for an A/C that still may never fly to be delivered. Also who ever gets the order for the 20 firm and options for wide bodies will also get the narrow body order. Hopefully they will work some deal out for the order.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:53 pm

US will use A345's from PHL, not from PHX (except PHX-FRA perhaps). They recognize how powerful the PHL international market has been for them and will continue to expand it.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:23 pm

www.yyznews.com Has stated that US is looking at ACs A340s to buy or lease from AC

"Fleet Renewal ---with the imminent deliveries of the new Boeing 777s this summer the airline is looking to return more of its Airbus A340 fleet to lessors. US Airways Group is in talks to buy or lease planes from Air Canada. The talks are aimed at providing US Airways with jets able to fly nonsto9p to China. US Airways is one of several U.S. carriers vying for new route authority to China."
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:46 pm

I suppose if you have been hoping to see the A340 opperated by a U.S. airline, you are finally getting your chance. I find this a very questionable move by US.

1. Examine the equipment in question. AC is dumping their A345. TG is dumping their A345. SQ has canceled their A345 options and commented that yields on ULH are not favorable. What is the common denominator? If the performance is such that growth opportunities with the A345 are so limited, what looks rosy from US' perspective? I certainly hope US is getting a bargain on these young aircraft...

2. US is ordering these aircraft on the speculative hopes they obtain authority for China routes. US is far from a shoe-in for potential China rights. If US doesn't get the route, where will the A345 be used? It would be terribly suited for Europe versus the A330. They would have to find some other non-China Asian market to serve from the East-Coast, which is easier said than done.

3. I explicitly refrained from mentioning the 777 in the two points above, but if US wants to serve Asia and can't wait for new-build aircraft, there are 772ER available for lease in the world. With all the hype the 777LR has received of late, let's not forget what a tremendous aircraft the 656-klb 772ER still is. CO has proven for several years that the 772ER is capable of U.S. East Coast - China with strong yields. Just food for thought....
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:56 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 20):
2. US is ordering these aircraft on the speculative hopes they obtain authority for China routes. US is far from a shoe-in for potential China rights. If US doesn't get the route, where will the A345 be used? It would be terribly suited for Europe versus the A330. They would have to find some other non-China Asian market to serve from the East-Coast, which is easier said than done.

I suppose they could try India, though they wouldn't have the advantage with China routes of limited US-China capacity due US-India open skies. In general, I am skeptical of PHL as a major O&D city despite its size.
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:01 pm

Quoting Ballsdeep (Reply 14):
How many are they getting and what routes other than China could they use them for?



Quoting Mah584jr (Reply 17):
US will use A345's from PHL, not from PHX

Hawaii?
They could try Australia and New Zealand....

South America? I don't know if there are any available authorities to the places they'd want to go in Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Colombia.

Middle East/Asia? Dubai, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, Riyadh, Tel Aviv, Delhi, Bombay. Or they could really think outside the box and go into Bangalore or Calcutta!

Africa? Lagos, Cairo, Johannesburg, Nairobi, Luanda?

East Asia? Anywhere in Japan but Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, Bangkok, Singapore....the latter two would require a non-standard cabin which US is most likely not up for.

But to be honest, I am just throwing names out there....very few if any of these make any real sense from Philadephia

The reality is that anywhere US places these aircraft, they are going to be in direct competition with a whole lot of existing service from airports very close by. (JFK, EWR, IAD)

So the question is; Does US chase after established routes flown by existing domestic and int'l carriers from the airports in the region?, or do they go out and blaze new trails?

So the 345 has anywhere from 2500nm to 3000nm greater range than the 333.....What does that get them that they cannot already do....besides the obvious China routes which they may not even get?

Even though I will be shouted down, these aircraft will make the most sense flying from PHX and LAS to Frankfurt, Gatwick, and maybe Paris/Amsterdam. These markets are big enough to support the service on other merits than just leisure. The size of Phoenix alone would make one think there should a bit more European service than there is currently. Going the other way, PHX/LAS to Manila, Seoul, and Osaka/Nagoya could be a good start. Even Sydney makes more sense from PHX/LAS than it does PHL.

All in all, it is a very curious acquisition for an event that might not even happen.
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:10 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 20):
there are 772ER available for lease in the world

I think the main driving reason for US opting for the 340-500 is that this is not a permanent addition to the fleet. The plan as I see it to just use the 340s until the 787s (God forbid they wait for Airbus to build the 350) are online.

If US were to go with the 777 the would need an entirely new maintenance department. Not to forget that all new simulators, ground ops procedures, and in flight training would be needed. Along with all that the a group of flight crews would be devoted to nothing but the hand full of 777s in the fleet. That adds up to a lot of money for basically what will be a short term "bridge" A/C. There would be limited chance

I would love to see 777s in US's livery more than anyone else, but the 340-500 is a better fit for what they need it for. The 340s can be operated by the same ground, maintenance and in flight crews as the 330-300 with limited difference training. US needs wide bodies bad, they've needed them for the past few years. The 340s and 333s will allow US to move forward in the international market until they get whatever it is they decide on.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:11 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 20):
I find this a very questionable move by US.

Questionable move would be to create another subfleet of 2 777s. We know that A345 is not as efficient as 772LR but it is still a modern aircraft. The key factor will be the price. If the price is right they should not hesitate and get them.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:14 pm

just please tell me that US will send the A345 to LAS.....
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:17 pm

I admit I'd be a bit surprised if it happened but I wouldn't rule it out.

1. Those two AC A345s have got to go somewhere.
2. It can't be a plane in very high demand so I bet US are getting them at a good price.
3. There's a big difference between "not as good as the 777-200LR" and the proverbial "p.o.s."; I doubt if they'll lose money flying A345s.
4. With fleets of A320s and A330s, US is better placed than many airlines to assimilate A345s.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 20):
AC is dumping their A345.

A fleet of just two which won't fit with their 787/777 fleet. I don't think we can read much into that.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 20):
TG is dumping their A345.

As far as I'm aware, just speculation so far.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 20):
SQ has canceled their A345 options and commented that yields on ULH are not favorable.

True but they're still operating them and don't seem ready to replace them with 772LRs.

You might also mention EK with a fleet of 10. They don't seem about to dump them.

Don't get me wrong. The A345 isn't a huge money-spinner and I don't expect many (any!) more orders for new-build planes but it cannot be the case that you can't make money with it. For the reasons I give above, I could see US doing this deal. My only question would be whether two planes is enough.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:20 pm

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 23):
If US were to go with the 777 the would need an entirely new maintenance department. Not to forget that all new simulators, ground ops procedures, and in flight training would be needed

That isn't how aircraft ownership works these days....

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 23):
US needs wide bodies bad, they've needed them for the past few years

Who doesn't? But as is all too often the case in aviation and relationships, hastily prepared short-term flings can lead to awkward circumstances down the road.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:43 pm

I think it would be a good move. I've always enjoyed my flights on the A340.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 27):
hastily prepared short-term flings can lead to awkward circumstances down the road.

"hastily prepared"? I would guess they've been talking about it - and with Air Canada perhaps - for some time.

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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 27):
hastily prepared short-term flings

Assuming that they want to fly long-haul out of PHX with no payload restrictions and they want to keep fleet commonality then A345 seems just ideal. In about 8 years they will replace it with XWB. Seems ok plan to me.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 26):
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 20):
TG is dumping their A345.

As far as I'm aware, just speculation so far.

No, it is fact. It is also fact that South African agreed to buy them.

Quoting PM (Reply 26):
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 20):
SQ has canceled their A345 options and commented that yields on ULH are not favorable.

True but they're still operating them and don't seem ready to replace them with 772LRs.

They have already ordered the A340-500 replacement. The 787-9. (I say that in terms of SIN-EWR and SIN-LAX routes only)

Quoting PM (Reply 26):
You might also mention EK with a fleet of 10. They don't seem about to dump them.

Well, you never know what trick Emirates has up its sleeve. My guess is that if Emirates had the opportunity to sell them at a good price, they would.

Quoting PM (Reply 26):
Don't get me wrong. The A345 isn't a huge money-spinner and I don't expect many (any!) more orders for new-build planes

Kingfisher? What is up with that? Talking about being manufacturer loyal with out looking at aircraft specs.

If US is getting A345s, it is most certainly from Air Canada.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:10 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 30):
No, it is fact. It is also fact that South African agreed to buy them.

Well, I've read all the speculation on A.Net but I don't recall any "facts". If you have some, I'd love to hear them.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 30):
They have already ordered the A340-500 replacement. The 787-9.

Which will start to be delivered in, what, 2011? Doesn't sound like SQ are in a desperate hurry to ditch those A345s. They'll be eight years old by 2011/2012. That won't be such a bad run.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:19 pm

This is damn cool if true. US is likely going to be leasing these 345s, and my guess is they are leasing them as part of a 787 deal with Boeing.

The 787-9 could replace both the A345 and A330 over time, but the commonality of the A345 with the A330 means that at first, the 787s can add capacity while the A330s keep flying, and 8-10 years from now, the options can be converted to replace the A330s, or US could choose A350s instead.

But I have a feeling the current A350 order is dead. US will add A330s instead, using the A350 deposit money to help pay for them.
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:22 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 22):
They could try Australia a

A very smart move. SYD-Anywhere but LAX is a winner
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:29 pm

Is SYD-PHX really a winner? SYD-LAS would be...  Wink
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:09 pm

I bet they could negoitate a slot at NRT in the way that AM did but it would be a challenge. NGO is open and so is KIX. NRT has the best O&D for Japan. NGO has great cargo and Business. KIX has good Cargo and good Business. NGO has been looking for another US carrier to serve them since AA left.

ICN would do well. They would love to see more carriers serving them. Only UA and DL have non-stops from the US. NW will add but US could get in early and do a codeshare with UA and OZ. Great Cargo. Thank you new trade agreement with South Korea.

HKG is yet another possibility. Cargo, PHL encatchment area. Certainlly cool.

Could an A345 do non-stop LAS-MNL?

With an A345, I would think South America would be overkill. But South Africa might be a good one.

Personally hope they build up put of PHL and not PHX. It seems to me that it could have a greater encatchment than PHX or LAS (even though LAS can get LAX people as well). In the end O&D, yield and cargo are going to make or break where they start this new venture..
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:50 pm

Would we see tghe A345s on any European routes? Would there be enough demand?

On another note, it'll be great to see US livery on an A340!  Smile
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:36 pm

Sorry for the inanity of this post but A) It's nice to see a US airline operate the A340 finally and B) It's a shame we won't see the A340-500 in US's old livery.  Sad
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:43 pm

Who knows, maybe US can bat cleanup for the whole Star Alliance and take SQ's 345s in the future, too?
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:52 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 20):
1. Examine the equipment in question. AC is dumping their A345. TG is dumping their A345. SQ has canceled their A345 options and commented that yields on ULH are not favorable. What is the common denominator? If the performance is such that growth opportunities with the A345 are so limited, what looks rosy from US' perspective? I certainly hope US is getting a bargain on these young aircraft...

SQ, TG etc operate their A345's on ULH routes and don;t really have a dense configuration.

USA-China is not ULH and I'm sure US could config the plane with the usual config and be able to turn a profit.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 30):
They have already ordered the A340-500 replacement. The 787-9. (I say that in terms of SIN-EWR and SIN-LAX routes only)

Actually SQ have said the 787 will be used on regional routes and the A350XWB on long haul.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:06 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 34):
Is SYD-PHX really a winner? SYD-LAS would be...

US would get killed on US-SYD routes. As there can only be two "Established Carriers" between the states and SYD, US would be limited to about 4 daily runs(If I recall correctly). QF and UA on the other hand would throw capacity on the route to drive out US.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 22):
Going the other way, PHX to .....Osaka/Nagoya

Ahhh, that bring back memories.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 35):
HKG is yet another possibility

HKG is not a possibility. HKG is harder to get than routes to the rest of china. Its covered by a different agreement. AA would be all over any HKG opening.
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:22 pm

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 40):
US would get killed on US-SYD routes. As there can only be two "Established Carriers" between the states and SYD, US would be limited to about 4 daily runs(If I recall correctly). QF and UA on the other hand would throw capacity on the route to drive out US.

I think SYD-LAS would be a niche market with connections to anywhere
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:36 pm

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 41):
I think SYD-LAS would be a niche market with connections to anywhere

again, MEL-SYD to anywhere but LAX would do well, as people here are absoutly sick of having to tranist thru LAX & having to deal with the mean & arrogant customs & immigration there. My neighbours flew United MEL-SFO last year & they said it was much better transiting thru SFO then LAX, less aggro.....
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:58 pm

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 23):
I would love to see 777s in US's livery more than anyone else, but the 340-500 is a better fit for what they need it for. The 340s can be operated by the same ground, maintenance and in flight crews as the 330-300 with limited difference training. US needs wide bodies bad, they've needed them for the past few years. The 340s and 333s will allow US to move forward in the international market until they get whatever it is they decide on.

Judging by the number of carriers dumping A340's my initial reaction is that this was a dumb move. However, initial reactions are often wrong, and this one may be too. If the price is right, and the commonality exists with the A330's to substantially reduce crew and maintenance costs and it is a relatively short term arrangement then it could be a good situation. I'm sure, however, that Doug Parker will lose countless nights of sleep if he doesn't have my blessing on this deal.  sarcastic 
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:01 pm

I think a LAS-SYD or PHX-SYD would work if the approvals are there and the flight is timed for good connections to the rest of the country. I would certainly choose transiting via PHX or LAS over LAX. SFO if I recall correctly is a decent airport to transit through though.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:48 pm

For some reason, US is one of the last airlines that I could have seen getting A340-500s! Of all the American carriers, I would have thought NW would be the most likely candidate for the A340-500.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:53 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 44):
For some reason, US is one of the last airlines that I could have seen getting A340-500s!

I know what you mean. I think it's because I still think of them (wrongly) as a purely or very largely domestic carrier. (I still remember when Piedmont launched their first transatlantic services with 767s.)

Quoting EI321 (Reply 44):
I would have thought NW would be the most likely candidate for the A340-500.

I don't think it'll ever happen now but I used to think that NW were a good bet for an A346 order.
 
Norcal773
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:01 pm

This is way cool. I'd love to see them acquire the A345's.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 38):
Actually SQ have said the 787 will be used on regional routes and the A350XWB on long haul.

Well, doesn't SQ have to actually sign the dotted line for the A350 first?

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 39):
US would be limited to about 4 daily runs

They're only getting 2 planes so they can't even do the 4 daily runs even if tehy wanted.

Quoting Melpax (Reply 41):
they said it was much better transiting thru SFO then LAX

..and I agree with them 110 %. There's not even a comparison between the two.  duck 
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VictorKilo
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:37 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 33):
Is SYD-PHX really a winner? SYD-LAS would be...

The only international gates at LAS are in Terminal 2, a charter terminal. Any passengers making connections would have to re-clear security at Terminal 1, which would be very time-intensive. I think a US flight to SYD could make sense, but it would rely on connections, and for that reason, it would go through PHX and not LAS. International flights from LAS could work, especially flights focused on high roller O&D from international markets. I think a US flight NRT-LAS, timed to provide connections to NH and UA flights to NRT, would make money.
 
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 29):

No, it is fact. It is also fact that South African agreed to buy them.

That means SA will be the first airline to have operated all 4 variants of the A340. Not sure if that will end up being similtaneously.
 
jfk777
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RE: US Will Get The A340!

Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:05 pm

Thai and Singapore airlines may not be making money from 18 hour flights but an A340-500 on an 8 hour flight is different. AN A345 may not be a efficient as an A333 but with lots less fuel to carry from PHL to Europe the airplane has to be a efficient as an A343. There is a future from PHL to Asia, will it be to China soon ? Japan and other Asian cities should be part of the mix.

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