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Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:24 am

Unruly Passenger Causes Flight Diversion
Tuesday April 3, 6:08 pm ET
Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted to SFO Because of Unruly Passenger


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A Honolulu-bound Delta Air Lines Inc. jet was diverted to San Francisco on Tuesday when a female passenger became unruly after smoking in the lavatory, federal officials said.
Delta Flight 511, a nonstop from Cincinnati, was over the Pacific Ocean when the passenger had "a complete meltdown freakout," said a fellow passenger who called The Associated Press from the tarmac at San Francisco International Airport.

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The flight was turned around after the woman hit a pilot who had left the cockpit to quell the disturbance, said Elizabeth Oglesby of Atlanta.

"She appeared to be out of her mind. Upset. Belligerent," Oglesby said. "He threatened to handcuff her if she didn't calm down. At that point she hit him in the chest."

The woman was given oxygen and was taken to the hospital by ambulance after the plane landed.

Officials with the Transportation Security Administration and Federal Aviation Administration did not immediately release the name of the passenger and it was not clear if she would face criminal charges. It's a federal crime to smoke on a commercial flight.

Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said the Boeing 767 landed safely at about 1 p.m. and resumed its flight about an hour later.

"I wish I was on the beach right now," Oglesby said before the flight resumed. "I think Delta did the right thing. You don't hit a pilot in an airplane."
 
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:27 am

I saw this takeoff on tv as I was watching the Padres play the Giants.

I would hate to be on that flight.
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:27 am

Wow, I guess smoking is really important to some people!  Wow!
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:30 am

How bad did she need a cigarette? I smoke. I can also handle the time it takes to check in, (~2 hours) a 10 hour flight, and another hour to collect my bags, go thru immigration and customs, and get outside. Plenty of other people do it everyday. She deserves what happens to her, the pilot didn't.
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting 1011 (Thread starter):
the woman hit a pilot who had left the cockpit to quell the disturbance,

 eyepopping 

Wow, I'd be surprised if charges were not filed. Out of all the things to do(or not do) on a plane, punching the pilot has got to be one of the stupidest things you can do.
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:07 pm

I suspect that the pilot who was involved was deadheading and not a member of the flight crew? I thought TSA regs (or at least DL regs) stated the pilot could not leave the cockpit to quell a disturbance.
 
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:23 pm

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 5):
I suspect that the pilot who was involved was deadheading and not a member of the flight crew?

Most likely the pilot who was on a break and sitting in the crew rest seat. The flight from CVG is over 8 hours long and requires a relief pilot.
 
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:36 pm

It wasn't a simple case of needing a cigarette; a couple of statements in particular shed some light on the situation:

"She appeared to be out of her mind. Upset. Belligerent," Oglesby said.

The woman was given oxygen and was taken to the hospital by ambulance after the plane landed.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 5):
I suspect that the pilot who was involved was deadheading and not a member of the flight crew?

No. Although CVG-HNL would be a heck of a deadhead...

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 6):
Most likely the pilot who was on a break and sitting in the crew rest seat. The flight from CVG is over 8 hours long and requires a relief pilot.

Yes.
 
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:10 pm

Funny, if a man did the same thing, he would have been tackled, beaten, handcuffed, sent to prison for 523 years. A woman does it, and she gets oxygen. LOL
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Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:19 pm

Quoting 1011 (Thread starter):
Officials with the Transportation Security Administration and Federal Aviation Administration did not immediately release the name of the passenger and it was not clear if she would face criminal charges. It's a federal crime to smoke on a commercial flight.

I would assume it's also a federal crime to attack the flight crew?

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 8):
Funny, if a man did the same thing, he would have been tackled, beaten, handcuffed, sent to prison for 523 years. A woman does it, and she gets oxygen. LOL

So true. She was obviously just having a bad day...  Wink
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Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:09 pm

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 8):
he would have been tackled, beaten, handcuffed, sent to prison for 523 years

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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:02 pm

Quoting 1011 (Thread starter):
it was not clear if she would face criminal charges. It's a federal crime to smoke on a commercial flight.

What is not clear??
 
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:59 pm

Book her Danno! Oh wait, she didn't get to HNL....okay so streets of San Francisco!
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:04 pm

Quoting 1011 (Thread starter):
The flight was turned around after the woman hit a pilot who had left the cockpit to quell the disturbance

The pilot left the cockpit? Isn't this a major breach of security? I thought pilots were supposed to stay in the cockpit, per post-9/11 procedures.
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Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:05 pm

There is a lot of mental illness out there. Why these people seem to be attracted to aircraft that will be flying over water (rather than to mental hospitals) I cannot fathom. I am sure she will get a firm slap on her wrist, and a few extra thousand SkyMiles for her efforts. Oh, it just occurs to me, all you wanna be terrorists out there. Looks like Delta flies this route without a sky marshal. You might want to look into it after you get through TSA security.
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:22 pm

Despite the news reports we don't know all the facts about why this woman went ballistic. Perhaps the DL crew knew something about her that we don't, since they were willing to administer oxygen to her.

This reminds me of the tragic incident where a male passenger went nuts in an airplane after it left the gate during pullback. He opened one of the doors and got out on the tarmac, and was later shot dead by security. One could argue that the killing was justified, but this passenger did not have a previous record of mental illness.

We're all nuts about flying on a.net, but sadly some go nuts while flying in the real world. How do you go about preventing that? Inquiring minds wanna know.

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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 14):
There is a lot of mental illness out there. Why these people seem to be attracted to aircraft that will be flying over water (rather than to mental hospitals) I cannot fathom

Sadly, she might have thought that a vacation to HNL was what she needed to cure her problems instead of a visit to a psychiatrist or hospital. My brother works in the filed of mental health and sees and hears it all the time. A nice vacaction somewhere would take care of their problems, not any counseling and/or medications. The problem is that when they go on vacation they bring their problems with them. and casue trouble for everyone around them just like they do at home.
 
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:31 pm

Quoting Contrails (Reply 13):
The pilot left the cockpit? Isn't this a major breach of security? I thought pilots were supposed to stay in the cockpit, per post-9/11 procedures.

Have the airlines put lav's into the flight deck now also? Come on, have you not been on long flights since 9/11? You clearly see the pilot's exit the flight deck and a flight attendant enter when one of them is gone to use the lav.

No, this isn't a major breach of security, that would have been if they allowed that woman on the flight deck.....never mind she interferred with a crew member.......she needs to be locked up, end of story.
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting Contrails (Reply 13):
The pilot left the cockpit? Isn't this a major breach of security?

The press reported the story wrong. The pilot did not leave the cockpit. The pilot involved in this incident was the relief pilot who was already in the back of the plane during his rest period.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 17):
Have the airlines put lav's into the flight deck now also? Come on, have you not been on long flights since 9/11?

Yes, in fact I have been on several long-haul flights after 9/11. But I clearly remember hearing that pilots would no longer intervene in cabin disturbances, that the burden for dealing with those rested with FA's. That's why so many FA's have taken self-defense training.

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 18):
The press reported the story wrong. The pilot did not leave the cockpit. The pilot involved in this incident was the relief pilot who was already in the back of the plane during his rest period.

That explains it. My question is now moot. Thanks, Bucky707.
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting Contrails (Reply 13):
The pilot left the cockpit? Isn't this a major breach of security? I thought pilots were supposed to stay in the cockpit, per post-9/11 procedures.



Quoting Contrails (Reply 19):
Yes, in fact I have been on several long-haul flights after 9/11. But I clearly remember hearing that pilots would no longer intervene in cabin disturbances, that the burden for dealing with those rested with FA's.

Agree, guess I didn't gather your intent was strictly addressing a pilot getting involved in a cabin disturbance but more along the lines of leaving the flight deck at all which seemed a bit rash.
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 17):
Have the airlines put lav's into the flight deck now also?

At least half of the 744 flying have this feature.
The flightdeck door is installed aft of the 4U (fwd r/h) lav.

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Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 12):
Book her Danno! Oh wait, she didn't get to HNL....okay so streets of San Francisco!

Or Nash Bridges.

Quoting Contrails (Reply 13):
The pilot left the cockpit? Isn't this a major breach of security? I thought pilots were supposed to stay in the cockpit, per post-9/11 procedures.



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 17):
Have the airlines put lav's into the flight deck now also? Come on, have you not been on long flights since 9/11? You clearly see the pilot's exit the flight deck and a flight attendant enter when one of them is gone to use the lav.

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I remember hearing about the pilots being stuck in the cockpit once landing. They couldn't open the cockpit door from the inside and the next crew taking the plane couldn't open the door from the outside. One of the pilots in the cockpit had to use a water bottle to relive himself.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 21):
At least half of the 744 flying have this feature.

And how many B744's does DL fly? That many huh....... Smile
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:49 am

It sounds to me like this woman may have been in the throes of a mega panic attack of quasi-psychotic proportions. The attempt to calm herself with nicotine fits that hypothetical scenario. As does the fact that it occurred aboard an airliner, as being in a confined space for any length of time can trigger such attacks in vulnerable people. In which case, the use of oxygen makes sense, as some of the physical symptoms of a full-blown panic attack mimic those of a heart attack. Personally, though, I would want her handcuffed or restrained while receiving the oxygen. Even as a medical professional with more than 40 years of experience, full-blown panic attacks with uncontrollable combative features scare the crap out of me. I've been decked more than once by such patients. The rage and violence can be explosive and unpredictable. And, yes, she should be charged criminally, and I'm sure she will be. Any mitigating medical facts can come out at trial.

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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting 1011 (Thread starter):
said a fellow passenger who called The Associated Press from the tarmac at San Francisco International Airport.

Who has the number for the AP handily stored in their cell phone?
 
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:56 am

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 2):
Wow, I guess smoking is really important to some people!



Quoting Go3Team (Reply 3):
How bad did she need a cigarette?

Maybe it wasn't a cigarette. Big grin
Seriously though it sounds like she had some type of melt down.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:12 am

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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:55 am

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 8):

Yes Sireee! I'd say 524 years!
 
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 14):
Oh, it just occurs to me, all you wanna be terrorists out there. Looks like Delta flies this route without a sky marshal. You might want to look into it after you get through TSA security.

Your comment borders on irresponsible...

Air marshals try not to get involved in incidents like this: it was obvious the crew had the situation under control without the need to expose the identity of any air marshal that might have been on board. Many true security incidents involve more than one perpetrator...with the first causing a commotion to expose the air marshal.

Also, no airline schedules air marshals; they are also not scheduled based on route - for all we know there may have been two marshals on board this flight.

Quoting ChinaClipper40 (Reply 24):
It sounds to me like this woman may have been in the throes of a mega panic attack of quasi-psychotic proportions.

Your diagnosis is pretty accurate...and whether the individual involved is charged will depend on the official diagnosis (including urinalysis) that she will undergo.
 
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 29):
Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 14):
Oh, it just occurs to me, all you wanna be terrorists out there. Looks like Delta flies this route without a sky marshal. You might want to look into it after you get through TSA security.

Your comment borders on irresponsible...

I agree LawnDart, most reprehensible; especially coming from someone who claims to be a physician.
 
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:59 pm

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 8):
Funny, if a man did the same thing, he would have been tackled, beaten, handcuffed, sent to prison for 523 years. A woman does it, and she gets oxygen. LOL

Didn't you hear? I understand this passenger will be guest starring on "The View." And then she'll hire some lawyer and try to sue DL. And then the political correctness nazis will come out on her side with the tobacco companys.
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RE: Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX

Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:59 am

We are not getting the real picture of the act.

Let us gather some info...

* The flight was some 30 min. off California's sea cost.

* Was she travelling alone?

* How old is she?

* What was she smoking?

* Was she out to Hawaii or coming back home?

* Why the O2?

* What legal action does DL has to take?

* Any Federal laws involved?

* At least two hours trip lost or more?
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