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Sweet Sixteenth: Another Serving Of Irish Aviation

Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:04 am

Flying through the air with the greatest of ease, we touch down smoothly onto another Irish aviation thread; welcome, bienvenue, failte, benvenido, etc etc.

It's been an interesting few weeks and since it's now the second quarter, Aer Lingus's new fleet order shouldn't be too far away; same with the announcement of its new European base. I was relieved, I have to say, that rumours about London being the chosen base were unfounded; I wonder if someone got mixed up with rumours about EI's interest in bmi and put two and two together ...

Anyway, we've seen some significant developments in the last two threads, so let's hope this one will be as positive and fruitful!

With an election expected six weeks from now and the alternative coalition expected to launch its manifesto this week or early next week, let's hope that aviation isn't overlooked (again!) It would do no harm for DUB to be a major focus, not to mention other airports. With competitiveness a key issue, the importance of air transport should be noticed and a major issue for all parties.

Other issues coming up: I guess we'll probably hear something about FR's objections to T2 and also, its intentions in relation to EI, now that it seems to have given up on the purchase.

Over to you, folks; enjoy!
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:18 am

As always a nice introduction Katiak...; Félicitations!

Now just a question, as it may just be me getting my hopes up. I imagine EI still haven't finalised there winter 07/08 schedule. As you all know I've been pretty pi**ed off since they dropped TLS for the winter (mind-boggling given that it's one of the main gateways to the Pyrenees for skiing holidays) and replaced it with BOD year-round a couple of years ago. Anyway, now and then I check schedules and try to book TLS flights for the winter, always to be informed that the flight doesn't operate at that time of year. Now I notice today it is also not possible to book BOD-DUB giving the same reason. Could this mean they've simply dropped BOD for the winter (from my experience loads were always much lower than on the TLS route in winter), and neither TLS or BOD will be operated next winter? Could it be simply that certain routes are still under consideration for the sinter period? Any ideas?

I know I must bore you all with this, but I spend so much time wishing they'd start TLS again, and I just continue to hope...
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
I know I must bore you all with this, but I spend so much time wishing they'd start TLS again, and I just continue to hope...

No, I know what you mean. It would be so much handier for you, and nice to know that there's a little piece of home flying in and out of your local a couple of times a week (local airport that is, not pub!). Capacity/Flexibility is a slight problem for EI. They're completely ill-equipped to alter the aircraft that fly routes which may require a drop in capacity in the winter. I have this image of a shiny E190 in EI colours frequenting our shores!
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:35 am

Re: The Aircorps

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Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:46 am

It certainly would; they have a new smaller one now, the A318 Elite. The current one is now about sixteen years old, so it may well be coming up to the time to replace it. I do think they need one, but I hope it's accompanied by spending on other areas of defence.

I agree with what you say about there being nothing smaller than the 320; I think there is a need for an aircraft which can sustain service to less travelled destinations during the Winter months; for us here in Jersey, like TOU, we have a seasonal service and unfortunately, ours doesn't start until late May, although thankfully still at three a week. I don't see EI getting anything smaller than 320s, but I wonder if it might be possible for another airline to take over some of these routes; TOU is a bit too long for an ATR72 from Ireland, but JER would certainly work.

The DAA announced today that the new check in facility, Area 14, would be opening shortly with EI as the sole customer for the area; this could potentially be a very good move, AS LONG AS there is a security facility there, which would allow pax to go right through, without having to go back upstairs, so it could effectively reduce congestion in two different ways. And while they're doing that, it would do no harm to look at an airside connection facility.

http://www.businessworld.ie/bworld/livenews.htm?a=1687077
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
Could it be simply that certain routes are still under consideration for the sinter period?

with the additional 320's coming on stream this year I'd imagine they are reworking schedules for the winter, you never know they may decide TLS is due a year round service (maybe at a much lessor frequency)
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
The DAA announced today that the new check in facility, Area 14, would be opening shortly

There was nice shots of it on the Six one news, very modern. They said they it will accomodate four million EI PAX.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
but I wonder if it might be possible for another airline to take over some of these routes; TOU is a bit too long for an ATR72 from Ireland, but JER would certainly work.

Like the WX/AF arrangement? I've thought about this and was wondering:

(a) What routes would qualify to be tranSferred over to the new carrier?
(b)Would this action be compatible with their overall business strategy?

In relation to (a), I was thinking maybe Toulouse, Lisbon, Bilbao, Jersey, Rennes, Naples and Santiago. Now I'm only surmising, for all I know some of the routes I just mentioned might justify an A320, but IMO they're seasonal. Seasonal aircraft could also open the opportunity of launching new routes such as Basel or Copenhagen (again).

In relation to (B), would a franchise carrier be justified by EI's business model? Would it offer them any benefit as a LCC?
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:17 am

I would love for Aer Lingus to get A319s but so far orders have all been for the A320. They have 8 options for more A320s and some could be converted to A319s but EI may feel that keeping routes seasonal is better than ordering A319s. EI want to have a fleet of about 42 so there is lots of room for some A319s and more A321s if they feel the need for them but I suspect the main bulk of the order will be for the A320.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 2):
I have this image of a shiny E190 in EI colours frequenting our shores!

That would look great maybe if (and it's a big if) Aer Lingus ever tried to buy RE or start their own regional airline we may see some but that would be years away if it were to happen, which I doubt.

Also, thanks to a thread on Hobby I have started sketching A350s and 787s in EI colours. I can get very bored when theres nothing on TV! Take a look if you like, I'm currently drawing an EI 787 with a special livery celebrating the order (if they order the 787 that is)
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 2):
No, I know what you mean. It would be so much handier for you, and nice to know that there's a little piece of home flying in and out of your local a couple of times a week

You seem to know exactly how I feel!

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 2):
They're completely ill-equipped to alter the aircraft that fly routes which may require a drop in capacity in the winter.

Agreed. If often wondred (in my functions as a great airline armchair CEO) how positive is a seasonal route. I can understand destinations that are purely summer/sea destinations and winter destinations (purely skiing), but on other regional routes I wonder about the wisdom of starting and stopping services. When EI started serving TLS there was a lot of hype about it, then people started saying to me "what a pity EI no longer fly to TLS", and I have to correct them saying that they do, but only in summer. What I'm trying to say is you start to gain a market, then suddenly close it off for part of the year, resulting in much of the market looking elsewhere.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 2):
I have this image of a shiny E190 in EI colours frequenting our shores!

That would be so wonderful.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
I agree with what you say about there being nothing smaller than the 320; I think there is a need for an aircraft which can sustain service to less travelled destinations during the Winter months

As you all know, I agree.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
The DAA announced today that the new check in facility, Area 14, would be opening shortly with EI as the sole customer for the area;

Any idea when this will be open? I'll be flying into and out of DUB next week and would love to see it.

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 5):
with the additional 320's coming on stream this year I'd imagine they are reworking schedules for the winter, you never know they may decide TLS is due a year round service (maybe at a much lessor frequency)

Fingers crossed Smokeyrosco... yet I won't get my hopes up too much.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 6):
There was nice shots of it on the Six one news, very modern.

Must watch that on the RTE 9 o'clock news tonight through Sky and hope they'll show it again.
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 8):
Must watch that on the RTE 9 o'clock news tonight through Sky and hope they'll show it again.

There's a computer-generated picture of it here under the page titled "Projects". The only thing to note is that the huge lights on the roof are multi-coloured!
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:02 am

Here's what I could find, the FR route map wont be there though!
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/SkyNet1000/DUBcheckin.jpg
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
Could it be simply that certain routes are still under consideration for the sinter period? Any ideas?

I think this is the case. There are a lot of routes from ORK that are still that way. I tradtionally chops and changes the winter schedule down here a bit, usually increasing teh city destinations and reducing the AGP/FAO, etc. Hopefully MAN will go daily as will BHX, maybe with better timings as well.

BTW the new EI website looks good, The functionality of EI.com was always pretty good. If I was being picky, Id say there are too many shade of green, although 40 shades of green are better than one shade of yellow!

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Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
With an election expected six weeks from now and the alternative coalition expected to launch its manifesto this week or early next week, let's hope that aviation isn't overlooked (again!)

Hmm why do Irish elections fail to excite me !!!! I would like to see Health Service properly run and investment with a system like the UK and prescriptions only costing Eur20 max instead of the current Eur70, Broadband roll out to the rural areas,lower car tax for cars under 1.5 litres and also a decent and forward looking plan for Dublin Airport and integrated public transport system.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 2):
I have this image of a shiny E190 in EI colours frequenting our shores!

Would be cool but arnt Air Canada having teething problems with them ??? I know LOT had problems with their E170's when they got them. It was a computer error, I know because I was on one of the first flights from DUB to WAW and on the outbound and return we were delayed for the same problem.

Cant wait to take a look at area 14 , I will be flying out in 2 weeks so it should be well up and running by then.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:33 am

Aer Lingus are advertising UK-IRELAND-US routes on the UK version of aerlingus.com

Quote:
Flying to the US from the UK is as easy as ABC!

A. Book your low fare at aerlingus.com
B. Check your bags through to your final destination
C. Connect in Dublin with the ease of clearing US immigration without the queues

www.aerlingus.com

I looked at LHR-ORD for 10 days in early November and the fare was £327 return! That's quite tempting but of course I will have to bring more than hand luggage so it will be a few more £ still better than BA which was £477.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:42 am

Good to see those photos; they do actually have access to the gates from the check in level, which will relieve a LOT of pressure from the airport generally. It is also good for EI, as it effectively means that the airline will be the only one that has its own gate access; presumably there'll be a special channel for J Class pax.

One thing conspicuously absent from the photo above (and thanks, Shamrock350, for posting it!) are the E-check in machines! The place looks quite bare without them!

As to flying directly, it is SO much better; it's not just the obvious element of time, although it is interesting that JER-DUB is only the same length (timewise) as LGW-DUB, indeed even shorter in terms of block-time, yet I have to fly from here to LGW and WORSE STILL, face an extra £20 in taxes for my trip. God, I hate Gatwick! I have discovered a new option for this Summer, however (until the EI route comes back): JER-MAN with BA and then, MAN-DUB with LG - never flown with Luxair before, so that should be worth trying!

Anyway, moving swiftly along ... it occurred to me that there has been very little talk from EI about those two 330s that DM was talking about some time ago. I guess they are in the overall "pot" as far as negotiations with Airbus are concerned; with Airbus having no shortage of takers for 330s - Oman just committed this week - it would not surprise if Airbus let them go elsewhere if EI decided to go with Boeing. Of course, this still doesn't preclude more 330s, because they could still come via a lessor. Don't forget that of the current 320 fleet, around 7 are from ILFC and 10, acquired directly (or vice versa - can't remember which!).
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:53 am

I'm sure the fast past machines will be everywhere when it's open!

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
it occurred to me that there has been very little talk from EI about those two 330s that DM was talking about some time ago.

DM talked about them when the results were announced, just what he has said before, "we have two A330 long-haul aircraft ready for early 2008 if we need them" now this makes me think an order has been made or will be firmed when the long-haul order is made, may it be A350 or 787.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
MAN-DUB with LG - never flown with Luxair before, so that should be worth trying!

MAN to DUB with LG is something id love to do also sometime. Did you ever try BD JER_LHR_DUB?? I saw some good fares on their website a few weeks back.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:57 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
they do actually have access to the gates from the check in level, which will relieve a LOT of pressure from the airport generally.

I don't understand what you mean?

Currently there is hoarding outside the security check point opposite area 13. I presume that this is the moving staricase and lifts from the basement.Will EI passengers not have to clear security on the main departures level?
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 9):
There's a computer-generated picture of it here under the page titled "Projects". The only thing to note is that the huge lights on the roof are multi-coloured!



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 10):
Here's what I could find, the FR route map wont be there though!

Thanks for the link and pictures to the two of you.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 11):
Hopefully MAN will go daily as will BHX, maybe with better timings as well.

Fingers crossed for you Brian... and for my year-round TLS-DUB!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Hmm why do Irish elections fail to excite me !!!! I would like to see Health Service properly run and investment with a system like the UK and prescriptions only costing Eur20 max instead of the current Eur70, Broadband roll out to the rural areas,lower car tax for cars under 1.5 litres and also a decent and forward looking plan for Dublin Airport and integrated public transport system.

Welcome to Ireland! I think everbody would like to see the Health Service run properly, it's disgraceful. I've had my fair share of witnessing the Irish health system the past 5 years due to my dad and then my mum, and to be honest, at times it's close to being criminal. Yet I have nothing but good words for the nursing staff, and must say all those Philippine nurses are brilliant. What you all need is a medical system similar to the French. It's difficult to tell any difference between a private and a public hospital here. And prescriptions... each time I go to the chemist with a prescription, and that's been often this winter, I pay the whopping sum of €0.00! Irish car taxes are awful, not point in even mentioning a forward looking plan for Irish airports, and an integrated what??? Yet OA260, Ireland is, believe it or not, a much better and more developped place than it was when I was growing up there.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
they do actually have access to the gates from the check in level, which will relieve a LOT of pressure from the airport generally

That is great, and will hopfully avoid those awful lines at security. I can't wait to see this area, as to be honest it doesn't really appeal to me, seems quite claustrophobic to imagine checking-in in the basement, but I'm sure it'll be fine.
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:02 am

Does anyone know what the saints names will be for the new A330s. Also will they be delivered in May or June. Will they be delivered together like but with a few weeks in between like EI-SHN and EI-DUB which had two weekd between them.

Also I heard a rumour that EI had a A330-200 going to be delivered in the Autumn of 2001, but was cancelled. Can anyone confirm/deny this? If it was coming on line where would it have gone? Maybe more secondary airports in the U.S like SJC, or the MCO route?
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:03 am

If you look at the very back of the picture of area 14, you'll see they stuck in the Ryanair route map for the craic (Aer Lingus will be the exclusive users of area 14!)
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:08 am

I'd say one A330 will be delivered in May sometime and then the next one in early June we may see them together in TLS sometime during testing. Maybe Toulouse will be able to tell us something if he spots anything during those weeks.

I'm watching the RTE 9 news on RTE.ie now if they show the new checking section.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:12 am

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 18):
Yet OA260, Ireland is, believe it or not, a much better and more developped place than it was when I was growing up there.

Yeah I know , im here 10 years and its changed alot from the day I arrived. The whole place has been cleaned up and especially around the border counties. Its great to see but some things like the health service are still in the old days. But 20 years ago I couldnt have lived in Ireland and now I wouldnt want to live anywhere else.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 20):
If you look at the very back of the picture of area 14, you'll see they stuck in the Ryanair route map for the craic (Aer Lingus will be the exclusive users of area 14!)

I guess that was when FR were going to be going down there !!! Id love to see an EI route map up there , it would look very nice if it was green like they used to have in their timetables .
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
I guess that was when FR were going to be going down there !!! Id love to see an EI route map up there , it would look very nice if it was green like they used to have in their timetables .

It would be a bit more impressive than Ryanair's with DXB and all the US routes on it!
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
I guess that was when FR were going to be going down there !!! Id love to see an EI route map up there , it would look very nice if it was green like they used to have in their timetables .

EI have a route map very similar to that in the back of the Cara magazine. Its spread over two pages. It starts with the pacific ocean on the left and ends just a little east od Dubai.
Although I think you may be right in saying that its an FR map.
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:25 am

I know this might sound crazy but I would like to see a route map in both English and then Irish showing the destination place names in both languages. I just think it would look cool .
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:30 am

There's the link there as regards the new check in area. Its about half way down the page. http://www.rte.ie/news/6news/
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 25):
I know this might sound crazy but I would like to see a route map in both English and then Irish showing the destination place names in both languages. I just think it would look cool

That would be nice! When EI add a touch of Irish to the flights it always makes me smile.

This a route map from a few months ago in the back of Cara.


Thanks for the Ei 168, I just watched all of the RTE 9 news waiting for it but at least I caught up with the news at home. It looks very small to be honest maybe long-haul passengers could go down there only.

[Edited 2007-04-04 22:37:10]
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 13):
That's quite tempting but of course I will have to bring more than hand luggage so it will be a few more £ still better than BA which was £477.

If your final destination is the US, then you wont have to oay for checked baggage for your LHR-ORD sector. Its only the european routes which have the charge on baggage and seat selection.
Charges (as I understand it) do not apply to teh following:

Any passenger travelling with a BA/AA/KL flight number on their ticket.
ANy passneger with the USA/DXB as their final destination.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
MAN-DUB with LG - never flown with Luxair before, so that should be worth trying!

LG are a very nice experience. The little ERJ's are pretty funky as well. On the flight you get......a glass of orange juice! AND tri-lingual cabin crew.

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Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 21):
Maybe Toulouse will be able to tell us something if he spots anything during those weeks.

Don't worry Shamrock350, I'm already checking as I pass TLS Blagnac airport nearly every day. As soon as I see one of the new green 330's, I'll snap a few photos and post them.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
now I wouldnt want to live anywhere else.

You know OA260, I must say I love it here in Toulouse. When I was younger I couldn't wait to leave Ireland and ended up spending some 10 years in Spain, now 5 in France. I slowly became quite patriotic, and now I wouldn't mind moving back to Ireland at all. Doubt I will though as here has a lot going for it, + the climate + while my wife loves Ireland, she hates the climate. But never say never, I may just end up back there one day!

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 28):
The little ERJ's are pretty funky as well

Never flown LG, but I must admit I have recently grown fond of the ERJ's on my AF Régional hops down to Madrid and a few other places from TLS.
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:21 am

Thanks for that Brian. That's even better I thought I would have to pay fot the LHR-DUB sector! I would love to fly this route, I might look at how much time I can have off.

EDIT:
Thanks Toulouse hopefully you wont have to wait long until they roll out in that French sunshine, it is sunny there now isn't it?

[Edited 2007-04-04 23:23:42]
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:47 am

Boy do I have something that will really turn up the heat.

I just heard from a fairly reliable source, that EI have secured landing rights to the new BKK international airport!!
And that an announcement is do shortly. I'm in the process of talking to him on date of announcement, frequency, a/c, and routing( through DXB?).
But lets not get carried away here though, I'm waiting for the rest of the story, but this is all I know now.

EDIT: They are also eyeing up Carribean routes as well. Also theres is soon to be a new advertising campaign launched for T.V.

[Edited 2007-04-04 23:49:47]
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 18):
And prescriptions... each time I go to the chemist with a prescription, and that's been often this winter, I pay the whopping sum of %u20AC0.00! Irish car taxes are awful, not point in even mentioning a forward looking plan for Irish airports, and an integrated what??? Yet OA260, Ireland is, believe it or not, a much better and more developped place than it was when I was growing up there.

In a way its refreshing to get out of teh country for a bit! The governments' latest plan is to charge even more VRT and tax on those cars which are less enviornmentally friendly. Using the highly scientific mesurement of.....engine capacity!  Sad

Quoting EISHN (Reply 31):
They are also eyeing up Carribean routes as well

Now this is interesting, I wonder where they will get the capacity from. It would seem that EI have secured new aircraft for 2008. I suppose there is only so much capacity the US can digest in any one year, so long haul growth must be "rotated" through different regions, I guess. Its jus a rty EI seem to have no interest in rotating any growth whatsoever throught ORK. It looks like ORK will be down to three A320s this winter.
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:20 am

AREA 14

Dont have time to post a photo now, but just a few points on area 14.
- Capacity of 4m passengers per year
- The large discs on the ceiling can be lit in any combination of coloured light, controled by computer. So if EI want the discs to turn green, they can.
- Im not 100% sure what the routes through security is like.

With the multicolour lights on the ceiling, I think It resembles a nightclub!
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:23 am

The flying discs could be an architecrural metaphor for 'area' 52. Nah! Although some of those 787 UFOs could be for EI. Ok Ill stop now  Smile
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting EISHN (Reply 31):
I just heard from a fairly reliable source, that EI have secured landing rights to the new BKK international airport!!
And that an announcement is do shortly. I'm in the process of talking to him on date of announcement, frequency, a/c, and routing( through DXB?).

Great news; let's just hope Subharnabhumi hasn't sunk into a swamp by then! I do wish they could fly nonstop, though I guess it's no harm to start small and build up; they will eventually fly nonstop, I'm sure. This will be a huge new step for EI. BKK was mentioned some time ago, but I was expecting it to be as part of Plan B, in case the Open Skies issue didn't go as planned.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:04 pm

Sounds interesting, maybe when Subharnabhumi opens again an announcement will be made! I also thought that any new routes East would be if OS failed but EI really do see potential in Asia so I'm glad that rumours are circulating.

Quoting EISHN (Reply 31):
Also theres is soon to be a new advertising campaign launched for T.V.

That's very nice to hear, I hope it's good and not cheap like of recent ones, they need to restore some pride in the airline, as a national airline they are under fire the most, just ask BA, a bit of fog and their the airline that stole Christmas!
Maybe it's about the new Premier class and long-haul routes.

Quoting EISHN (Reply 31):
And that an announcement is do shortly.

Well this is Aer Lingus so make that sometime around Halloween  Wink
 
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
With the multicolour lights on the ceiling, I think It resembles a nightclub!

Ok EISHN you bring the red bull and I will bring the vodka. TLS can bring some Champagne as Im sure he has a ''cave'' being in France!!! Lets all meet in area 14 !!! LOL

Quoting EISHN (Reply 31):
EI have secured landing rights to the new BKK international airport!!

Nice news if true but the only way Id do DUB-BKK on EI is in J class. I wouldnt do such a long trip in EI Economy unless its totally upgraded. Id come off half dead.
 
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
With the multicolour lights on the ceiling, I think It resembles a nightclub!

I can see it now, the airport is quiet all the passengers are on their way, suddenly Dermot and the gang appear out nowhere and start dancing even MOL joins in with his staff while the multi-coloured lights above them all go crazy!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 37):
Nice news if true but the only way Id do DUB-BKK on EI is in J class. I wouldn't do such a long trip in EI Economy unless its totally upgraded. Id come off half dead.

I think the updated version of economy class is what you would get on any other average airline well apart from the PTVs but by the time this route ever starts we might have a few more A330s with PTVs in the fleet. Hopefully the new A330s will have the new J class and a Y class.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 3):
Re: The Aircorps

One of these would look good @ Baldonnel.

Thats all the Irish Govt need - 'The Bertie Bus'
Aviation has a 100% record, we've never left one up there......
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:12 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 38):
I think the updated version of economy class is what you would get on any other average airline well apart from the PTVs

EI should get some inspiration from SQ.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1169905/M/
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:22 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 40):
EI should get some inspiration from SQ.

Every long-haul airline in the world should get inspiration from SQ, they are without a doubt the best airline in the sky. I can't see EI going this far with the seats but new PTVs have been rumoured and better lighting in the A330s would be nice. The cabin crew are fine and the food average and I have always been comfortable in the A330s. I'm sure the newer seats and covers in economy will be fine for new long-haul routes they just need to get the cocoon seats.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:11 pm

Ok so some brief news in this months Irish Travel Magazine::

Aer Arann introduces online check in from 72 hours prior to departure only on the DUB-ORK at present. Print boarding card off at home.

Dublin Airport February figures up 14% on same time last year.
2.9 million passengers passed through Dublin Airport in January and February, an increase of 12% on last year. A total of 328,000 additional passengers were handled at the airport in the first two months of this year. Over 65,000 passengers travelled on Domestic routes which is a 14% increase on same time last year. Passenger numbers to the USA fell by 2%!!! (very interesting) . Other routes to the Middle East and North Africa and CPT rose by 43% on same time last year.

Lufthansa breaks passenger record at Dublin 25,000 more passengers in 2006 than it carried in 2005. It carried 202,487 passengers in 2006.

The interesting thing is that taking in ORK and SNN the trans atlantic figures are actually up 8%. The number of Irish visitors travelling abroad reached 6.85 million in 2006.

Air Canada will operate DUB - YYZ again from 17th June until the 30th September. There will be a full service offering with complimentary meal and beverage service. 2 3 2 config in Economy class with a 34" seat pitch. For passengers booked in Y or M class they will be seated in the first 4 rows where the config will be 2-2-2.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:40 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 38):
I can see it now, the airport is quiet all the passengers are on their way, suddenly Dermot and the gang appear out nowhere and start dancing even MOL joins in with his staff while the multi-coloured lights above them all go crazy!

LMAO!  laughing  Disco Inferno! EI vs FR.

When I first saw the new check in area it reminded me of a certain nightclub in Dublin city centre. It looks quite small and claustrophobic.

Does anyone know the timeframe before area 14 is open? I know DAA said "soon" but this is Ireland remember.....

Quoting EISHN (Reply 31):
I just heard from a fairly reliable source, that EI have secured landing rights to the new BKK international airport!!

Thats quite interesting, particularly as this is one of Gulf air's main destinations for Irish people. I can't really see the logic of a one stop through Dubai though! This was discussed before and people agreed on this board thaat a non stopper to BKK with a 332 was the most feasible option.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:49 pm

Quoting Shamrock330 (Reply 43):
Does anyone know the timeframe before area 14 is open? I know DAA said "soon" but this is Ireland remember.....

Its finished, so a few weeks at most. defiitly before summer.

They should have put in sloped escalators that can accomodate trolleys rather than steped ones, perhaps there was not enough room.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:37 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 42):
Lufthansa breaks passenger record at Dublin 25,000 more passengers in 2006 than it carried in 2005. It carried 202,487 passengers in 2006.

I'm supried that they haven't added MUC-DUB flight to their FRA one. It was reported, in quite an extensive article, in the Indo towards the end of last year that LH were to make a major investment in DUB with the launch of extra destinations like MUC. As per usual, the Indo is wrong! I would have thought a CRJ200 from FRA to ORK would have been on the cards too. Obviously not.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:51 pm

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...=14037498&p=y4x37544&n=14037586&x=
A sentence in an advert has been taken out of proportion and made to look like Aer Lingus is supporting animal cruelty  Yeah sure
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:56 pm

Hi guy's,
Do any of you (knowligable) guy's know what equipment flyglobespan are using on the Knock-Boston and Knock-New York route.Btw: I think this livery looks fantastic on the 787!!!  drool 


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IMHO,i think the avianca livery looks fantastic on the 787.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:02 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 46):
A sentence in an advert has been taken out of proportion and made to look like Aer Lingus is supporting animal cruelty

Well i dont really have that strong views but EI should really look at the implications before submitting adverts as should all airlines. They are an international airline and provide service for many nationalities not just Irish so they should be alert to various sensitivities.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Eirbus06 (Reply 47):
Do any of you (knowligable) guy's know what equipment flyglobespan are using on the Knock-Boston and Knock-New York route

As before, it's the 738s initially with it changing to 757s as soon as they get them, AFAIK.

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