gregarious119
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KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:29 am

I was wondering around in Flightaware and noticed that a KLM flight was passing overhead here in Ohio. Upon further investigation I found this was a 737 running to Houston to Schiphol. (obviously...as the title mentioned)

Anyone know more about this flight? I'm amazed they're running a narrowbody for regular service on that long of a route. Is it configured differently than others?

Edit: For further information, the flight is a 737-700 and the flight numbers are KLM663 AMS-IAH and KLM664 IAH-AMS.

[Edited 2007-04-04 21:32:16]
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:31 am

all business class flight opt by Privatair
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:35 am

Hi there Gregarious119,

KLM currently has two flights to IAH from Schiphol, one is operated with a 744M, the other one is indeed operated with a 737, but this 737 does not belong to KLM, it is one of Privatair 737BBJs configured in all business class, LH has a flight from MUC to some place near NY, Washington or Chicago, which I dont remember well, operated with an A319 and another one with a 737, both BBJs.
Hope this works alright for ya.

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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:57 am

Quoting Gregarious119 (Thread starter):
Edit: For further information, the flight is a 737-700 and the flight numbers are KLM663 AMS-IAH and KLM664 IAH-AMS.

BBJ, not -700 (though on trackers they might appear as the same designation).

Sometimes it's a 319 corporate Jet, saw one of those at Schiphol last week instead of the regular BBJ.

Service operated by Privatair for KLM under KLM flight numbers. Nice aircraft to see, welcome change from the regular blue and grey  Smile
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:02 am

Quoting Gregarious119 (Thread starter):
Flightaware and noticed that a KLM flight was passing overhead here in Ohio.



Quoting KLAM (Reply 2):
KLM currently has two flights to IAH from Schiphol, one is operated with a 744M, the other one is indeed operated with a 737

But, why would a flight from Europe to Washington D.C. be over the state of Ohio?
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:03 am

Quoting KLAM (Reply 2):
and another one with a 737

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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 4):
But, why would a flight from Europe to Washington D.C. be over the state of Ohio?

IAH=Houston Intercontinental
IAD=Washington Dulles
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 6):
IAH=Houston Intercontinental
IAD=Washington Dulles

Haha... my mistake, I was reading a little too fast I guess.  blush 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:30 am

This is the aircraft that operates the IAH flights - HB-JJA

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/changi/hbjjageldridgeams010407.jpg

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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:45 am

Current PrivatAir all-business class flights for KL/LH/LX and usual equipment type:

KL: AMS-IAH (BBJ1/737-700) daily except Tue
LH: DUS-ORD (A319LR) daily except Wed/Sat
LH: DUS-EWR (A319LR) daily
LH: MUC-EWR (BBJ1) daily except Sat
LX: ZRH-EWR (BBJ2/737-800) daily except Sat
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 4):
But, why would a flight from Europe to Washington D.C. be over the state of Ohio?

If that flight was headed to IAD, then it could be diverting due to thunderstorm or other wx.

The jetstream plays a big role for flights from Europe to the US. It is not uncommon, to find Europe to DFW and IAH coming over the top of MSP, headed straight south, as they avoid the jetstream core. Included in those flights, are the PrivatAir B737's.
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting 5mileBob (Reply 10):
It is not uncommon, to find Europe to DFW and IAH coming over the top of MSP, headed straight south, as they avoid the jetstream core.

This is true. Once I saw an AF B777 flying over my house near MSP, and it was routing CDG-MEX. If you look at it on Great Circle, it should have flown over ATL, not MSP! The same day, I saw some AA B777 or B767 flying Europe-DFW pass overhead.
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:56 am

Quoting 5mileBob (Reply 10):
If that flight was headed to IAD, then it could be diverting due to thunderstorm or other wx.

Please read the reply above, it was going to IAH not IAD. Not diverting.
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 11):
you look at it on Great Circle, it should have flown over ATL, not MSP!

Aircraft often don't use a great circle route, they use the airways...
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 13):
Aircraft often don't use a great circle route, they use the airways...

Well, they do try to follow the airways that are closest to the great circle route. Plus, in the western US, you do find some off-airway routings between distant VORs.

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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:02 pm

Quoting KLAM (Reply 2):
operated with an A319 and another one with a 737, both BBJs.

Not to be nitpicking here KLAM....but A319 is called ACJ not BBJ  Wink
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:14 am

Do the BBJ flights to and from IAH fill up? I priced it last summer for a trip to Europe and it was much more expensive than flying CO businessFirst.
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
KL: AMS-IAH (BBJ1/737-700) daily except Tue
LH: DUS-ORD (A319LR) daily except Wed/Sat
LH: DUS-EWR (A319LR) daily
LH: MUC-EWR (BBJ1) daily except Sat
LX: ZRH-EWR (BBJ2/737-800) daily except Sat

This is an interesting thread, but to my untrained eye, the above seems to me like an unlikely assortment of routes to offer this exclusive service.

I notice that this type of additional and exclusive service is not offered on the more dense or "obvious" routes, such as AMS-EWR/ORD/JFK, or FRA-EWR/ORD/JFK.

What criteria motivates an airline to offer a 737/320-sized A/C in all-business configuration on some routes but not others? Do some routes simply have a higher ratio of Business class travellers, so that an additional widebody with multi-class configuration is not called for? If so, why? Is it due to the nature of the specific types of business/Industry that occur in those cities, which would warrent more business travel between them? Then why EWR but not JFK? Does this trend indicate that travel between the largest hubs is dominated by more leasure travel / low yield seats, and "point-to-point" is populated more by business class travellers?

Sorry for all the questions. I'm facinated by this trend, but I don't yet understand how the routes are chosen.
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 17):
This is an interesting thread, but to my untrained eye, the above seems to me like an unlikely assortment of routes to offer this exclusive service.

These are logical routes for such a service. On these routes the airlines have a lot of business passengers but can not fill a widebody with also economy passengers. LX for example has two daily flights to JFK from ZRH (three class) but there are plenty of business people which like to fly into EWR because a lot of companies have their headquarters or branches in NJ. Economy passengers usually don't care whether JFK or EWR, so it is probably more economic to have the two "regular" flights to one airport (JFK) than to split it up.
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Warowl40 (Reply 16):
Do the BBJ flights to and from IAH fill up?

I spoke with a PrivatAir flight attendant and she said the AMS-IAH BBJ flights are almost always full.
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:49 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 12):
Please read the reply above, it was going to IAH not IAD. Not diverting.

I passed over that. My apologies.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 13):
Aircraft often don't use a great circle route, they use the airways...

Can you show me the "airway" map over the North Pole, please.
It is very common for aircraft flying "overseas" to fly to Lat/Long waypoints and on tracks, that are adjusted every day due to the jetstream, thunderstorms and turbulence.
Still looks like a Ramp Rat
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:56 am

While at AMS I would be confused as to why this unmarked 737 would pass by in the KLM gate area. Pretty cool if you ask me. It took me a little bit to research this plane, not to mention fun. Whats the cost on this typw of ride, and how would one get a ticket? Is this booked with KLM or Privatair? Mysterous in a way.
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting Gregarious119 (Thread starter):
Anyone know more about this flight?

man, thats all he asked.. y'all writing an encyclopedia over here...
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 17):
I notice that this type of additional and exclusive service is not offered on the more dense or "obvious" routes, such as AMS-EWR/ORD/JFK, or FRA-EWR/ORD/JFK.

What criteria motivates an airline to offer a 737/320-sized A/C in all-business configuration on some routes but not others? Do some routes simply have a higher ratio of Business class travellers, so that an additional widebody with multi-class configuration is not called for? If so, why? Is it due to the nature of the specific types of business/Industry that occur in those cities, which would warrent more business travel between them?

SSTsomeday,

As for the AMS-IAH rotation you are completely right in your analysis. For KLM it is worth to operate a PrivatAir flight on this route because of the oil industry. Thus a lot of business travellers are using this route.

Don't know why LH is using the before mentioned routes with a PrivatAir flight but it definitely has to do something with a high ratio of business travellers.
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting Vrille (Reply 22):

As for the AMS-IAH rotation you are completely right in your analysis. For KLM it is worth to operate a PrivatAir flight on this route because of the oil industry. Thus a lot of business travellers are using this route.

Don't know why LH is using the before mentioned routes with a PrivatAir flight but it definitely has to do something with a high ratio of business travellers.

I wouldn't think of AMS or FRA as typical oil tycoon cities. Would most of these pax on the PrivatAir flights continue on "normal business class" on a KLM or LH flight to their destination?
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 23):
I wouldn't think of AMS or FRA as typical oil tycoon cities. Would most of these pax on the PrivatAir flights continue on "normal business class" on a KLM or LH flight to their destination?

AMS is maby not a "typical" oil tycoon city but Royal Dutch Shell as an English/Dutch company can boost the yield on this rotation. I do think that they have a substantial amount of business travelers on this route but I'm not sure and don't have any figures of the ticket sales.
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:14 pm

Quoting Toering (Reply 21):
Is this booked with KLM or Privatair?

As I know PrivatAir does not sell tickets. They only wet-lease the aircrafts to Swiss, Lufthansa and KLM. Therefore you have to book all these flights with LX, LH and KL.
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:18 pm

Rumour was that PrivatAir/KLM wanted a larger jet for this service. Any news on that?
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:20 am

WarowI40, there's a vast difference between CO Business First and true First Class.

Also, to my knowledge, IAH has never seen a PrivatAir ACJ.
 
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RE: KLM Running A 737 From AMS-IAH-AMS?

Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 17):
Then why EWR but not JFK?

Business Travelers prefer EWR as their International Gateway to NYC, tourists have no clue.
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