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Timeframe For The South Gate Complex At ATL

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:22 am

At ATL, as many should know, there is a proposal for a South Gate Complex. It is to be located between runways 9R/27L and 10/28. The inital plan was for the new terminal to include 31 gates, but now the proposal is for it to include up to 70 gates. It should be built after the new Maynard Holbrook Jackson, Jr. International Terminal is completed. The new South Gate Complex was supposed to be completed in 2010, however, the new International terminal has been pushed back to 2010, which means that the South Gate Complex has been pushed back even further. There is currently no set timeframe for its construction. However, if air traffic continues to rise, the airport management at ATL will have to eventually build it. It has been rumored that AirTran will be one of the primary tenants for the new South Gate Complex, thus freeing up gates in Concourse C which can be used by Delta Connection aircraft, thus freeing gates in other concourses that currently see Delta Connection service. If I would guess, I would say the optimal year for its construction would be 2014. Does anyone have any opnions on this?
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RE: Timeframe For The South Gate Complex At ATL

Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:01 am

I'd venture to say that the earliest the South Gate Complex will be completed is 2017. But considering how things are at ATL, 2020 isn't out of the question. I wouldn't be surprised if in the interim that an airline starts operating flights out of temporary remote hardstands like the ramp at old NW hangar or even the old EA/DL hangar.
 
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RE: Timeframe For The South Gate Complex At ATL

Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:42 am

I would think 2020 at the earliest. However, they are still moving dirt and concrete slabs all over the place on the south side of the field. The City of Atlanta is very slow..........hell may freeze over before the facility is built.

I have been hearing about the south gate complex since 2000 when I started working the South Cargo ramp. It was suppose to be a commuter facility at the time. I think it still should be, just my opinion.

However, ATL really needs to get the International Terminal built. I am tired of arriving in ATL after a long flight from ICN and having to recheck my bag and clear security just so I can go home. The City will be luck to finish it by 2010 at the snail's pace they are working at.

ATL is so slow about projects at the airport. I can hear the sound of money being wasted right now! The dirt is blowing away in the wind! Along with the money!

I think before the South Gate complex is made, we need some more cargo space. Space for cargo is starting to get tight at some of the facilities.

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RE: Timeframe For The South Gate Complex At ATL

Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:01 am

AirTran is pushing the airport to start the South Terminal a.s.a.p. and is hoping it will be ready in 2012 or 2013. One major dispute between AirTran and the airport authority is that AirTran wants it to be a free-standing, fully inclusive facility with its own parking, check-in, Marta stop, etc. ATL, however, prefers a gate-only complex dependent on the current North-South Terminal infrastructure.

AirTran also wants the city to convert the Southern/Northwest hangar into a 6-10 gate facility for non-hub airlines in order to free up sapace on D. Concourse. This could supposedly be accomplished in under a year for less than $50M (chump-change in airport terms). ATL, though, is talking about using this highly lucrative real estate for employee parking!

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RE: Timeframe For The South Gate Complex At ATL

Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting N757KW (Reply 2):
It was suppose to be a commuter facility at the time. I think it still should be, just my opinion.

It was supposed to have originally been a commuter facility because the fifth runway was originally designed to be for the use of commuter aircraft and we see how that went.

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 3):
AirTran also wants the city to convert the Southern/Northwest hangar into a 6-10 gate facility for non-hub airlines in order to free up sapace on D. Concourse. This could supposedly be accomplished in under a year for less than $50M (chump-change in airport terms). ATL, though, is talking about using this highly lucrative real estate for employee parking!

Of course the problem there is getting an airline to move over there. NW and CO definitely wouldn't want to be that far away from their SkyTeam partners. You could easily move NK, F9, AC, YX, and perhaps maybe even US/HP over there, but of course getting them to agree to that would be tough. One thought I've had is perhaps have AA and UA move to the temporary facility, then either move the bulk of the Delta Connection operations on D to T or maybe move US/HP and YX and AC over to T and let FL takeover those gates on D.

As for using the area for employee parking, I'm guessing the lot over off of Clark Howell and the DL lot off of Camp Creek getting close to full? I wouldn't be surprised if once DL takes over the ground handling of EV that they kick everyone else out of the employee lot right by the terminal and make that lot a premium lot.
 
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RE: Timeframe For The South Gate Complex At ATL

Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting N757KW (Reply 2):
I would think 2020 at the earliest. However, they are still moving dirt and concrete slabs all over the place on the south side of the field. The City of Atlanta is very slow..........hell may freeze over before the facility is built.

I was wondering what was going on over the south side of the facility. Here I was thinking that they were already beginning construction on it.

Quoting N757KW (Reply 2):
I have been hearing about the south gate complex since 2000 when I started working the South Cargo ramp. It was suppose to be a commuter facility at the time. I think it still should be, just my opinion.

I got a tour of the airport in Fall 2005 and we went to a planning office, which is located near the south cargo area. They didn't give a definite date when it was to be built, but they had a nice model of it and the Jackson International Terminal.
 
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RE: Timeframe For The South Gate Complex At ATL

Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4):

Of course the problem there is getting an airline to move over there. NW and CO definitely wouldn't want to be that far away from their SkyTeam partners. You could easily move NK, F9, AC, YX, and perhaps maybe even US/HP over there, but of course getting them to agree to that would be tough. One thought I've had is perhaps have AA and UA move to the temporary facility, then either move the bulk of the Delta Connection operations on D to T or maybe move US/HP and YX and AC over to T and let FL takeover those gates on D.

I agree more with the second option. The gates at Concourse T are rather large, and it seems wasteful to use those large gates for RJs. Concourse T used to be the international concourse at ATL before the construction of Concourse E, and that is why it features large gates.
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