727LOVER
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New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:30 am

I had wondered how some metro areas compare with each other and how they compare with their airport's number of flights. Below are some new figures from the census bureau as of July 1, 2006. The figures are for METRO and not CITY LIMITS.

Sometimes they lump 2 cities together like Tampa/St. Petersburg, and sometimes not, like Raleigh and Durham are seperate. I don't see Newark listed under New Jersey, so I assume it is included in New York City's metro total. I can't tell if Miami has Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood included, or even the Palm Beaches.

Boston and Detroit metros seem to be neck & neck.

Fastest growing metro is St. George, Utah! No wonder they need a new airport.

Chicago metro- 9 million people and only 2 airports?

Charlotte metro is only 1.5 million????!!! That's surprising to me. Metro Virginia Beach, Va. is bigger!

I had always wondered how Seattle fared against other large metros.

Dallas/ Ft. Worth metro is 6 million (4th in the USA) and they have barely any overseas airlines. How come?

I will talk about this in a seperate thread, but in Connecticut, Bridgeport & New Haven metros have a combined 1.7 million folks and these areas have how many local flights to choose from????!!!!

I thought people were saying Columbus is the biggest metro in Ohio. Not according to this. Is 1.7 million a good enough base for Skybus?

Anchorage metro is smaller than Columbia, Charleston, and Greenville/Spartanburg metros. Do these aiports see lots of 747 & MD-11. I guess it all about location ,location, location!

Seems to have been a decline in PIT. Was US onto something?

And look at Sarasota, Florida. Up to 600,000. (don't know if Bradenton is included) SRQ's service is still rather piddly.


Interesting numbers indeed.

Is your airport moving along with the population numbers?


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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/.../2007-04-04-metro-area-table_N.htm
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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Fastest growing metro is St. George, Utah! No wonder they need a new airport.

Not hard to do when you are starting with 90,000 people. I think a lot of California people are moving there to retire, I know I have thought of it. I guess the new airport will be able to support Cessna 150 and bigger?

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Dallas/ Ft. Worth metro is 6 million (4th in the USA) and they have barely any overseas airlines. How come?

Why would anyone from overseas want to go to Dallas. Not really a big hot spot for the European and Asian visitors. It's also not really the fourth largest metro area. The forth largest metro area is the San Jose - San Francisco - Oakland Area , but San Jose has grown enough now that they have created a new area just for us. Still no international air service though (but we will get a B747 to land here just to keep us amused. )
 
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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):

To answer you on DFW, its most due to location. Same as IAH not having many foreign carriers. Coastal large cities will always have more foreign carriers, though cities like DEN/DFW could get a boost with the 787.

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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:22 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 1):
but San Jose has grown enough now that they have created a new area just for us.

There are a few places like this. Excluding the Megalopolis, the biggest example is Los Angeles and Riverside having two separate metro areas. Riverside's metro is Riverside and San Bernardino counties.

This means that for airports, the Los Angeles metro has LAX, SNA, BUR, and PMD once United starts there. Riverside has ONT and PSP.
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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:30 am

BOS needs more rrom to expand, excluding money and massport issues. problem is that they are severley limited land wise- surrounded to the west by east boston and the other 70% of the airport is boston harbour....
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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:26 pm

I am in PHX and yes, it is pretty much accurate for us. This metro area just keeps on growing and growing by leaps and bounds. We've had a new runway built, a new consolidated rental car facility built, a new control tower built, and the traffice figures just keep on climbing and setting records. In the next decade the old terminal 2 should be demolished to make way for the new West 33 gate terminal (I'm not sure how they're going to number the terminals once that one is built). They say WN will occupy the new terminal, opening up terminal 4 for even more expansion by US. The light rail line being built now in PHX will extend to the airport, and one day they hope to have a train connect all of the terminals and the rental car center. Once US gets aircraft with the range, I'm sure we'll see several new international flights to Europe from here, and maybe even Asia. I also think LH will return here soon.
 
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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:27 pm

According to Wikipedia, in 2006 Phoenix is the 13th largest metro area (census statistical area) in the US (86th largest in the world), Dallas-Fort Worth is the 8th largest (46th largest in the world).


Primary Census Statistical Areas of the United States of America
Rank Primary Census Statistical Area State 2006 Pop
1 New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA NY-NJ-CT-PA 21,976,224
2 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA CA 17,775,984
3 Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA IL-IN-WI 9,725,317
4 Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA DC-MD-VA-WV 8,211,213
5 Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA MA-RI-NH 7,465,634
6 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA CA 7,228,948
7 Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA PA-NJ-DE-MD 6,382,714
8 Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA TX 6,359,758
9 Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA TX 5,641,077
10 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL CSA GA-AL 5,478,667
11 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL MSA FL 5,463,857
12 Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI CSA MI 5,410,014
13 Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ MSA AZ 4,039,182
14 Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA CSA WA 3,876,211
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI CSA MN-WI 3,502,891
16 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA MSA CA 2,941,454
17 Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO CSA CO 2,927,911
18 Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH CSA OH 2,917,801
19 St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL CSA MO-IL 2,858,549
20 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL MSA FL 2,697,731
 
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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:57 am

For my "home" airport (BOS), it is still running in the negative compared to it's busiest year in 2000. In 2006, BOS came up 1,390 passengers short over 2000. This year it should overtake those numbers with growth having been the past few years around 2-3%, growing slightly faster than the CSA and MSA figures.

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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:21 am

When looking at airports it is important to look at draw area and other factors like tourist destination. Also, there is a location factor as it relates to Hubs
Anchorage - Draws from all of Alaska including Fairbanks and Juneau for longer flights. Its either ANC or SEA for most travel out. It is the freighter hub and the Alaska tourist Destination.
HNL has huge tourist traffic compared to it s population.
SAN is underserved as many of the population go up to LAX for long flights.
LAS is a huge tourist destination and now also a hub for a number of airlines.
PHX draws from all of Arizona and is a tourist destination, now also a hub.
DEN draws from a 250 mile radius circle, is a tourist destination, and also a hub.
Sacremento is underserved as SFO/OAK are nearby.
ORD draws well into Wis and Ind along with a lot of Illinois.
All of Conn and RI are populated so looking at the cities misses the 2 hour drive draw radius.
etc.

Osaka, Japan has only Itami and KIX and it is well over 20 million, Add Kyoto in and it is close to 25 million. But there are a low number of flights from there to NRT, the largest Intl airport. Why - the Shinkansen train. Those factors also need to be considered.
 
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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:43 am

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Population Growth


I think this graphic from Atlanta's Journal Constitution newspaper yesterday tells a story that no one has mentioned in this thread.

Atlanta has added nearly 1 million people in six years! And the pace seems to be quickening as Great Lakes region economies suffer and people who live there move south for opportunities. I should also note, that Atlanta's population growth is not driven by foreign immigration, but rather domestic migration.

Hartsfield Jackson International Airport is the engine that drives the Atlanta region. The area's growth, in turn, leads to an even richer market for the major players, Delta and AirTran.

Think about this...if ATL is the biggest and most successful hub in the U.S. (world?) at today's market size, what will it be like if the region continues to grow at anywhere near the rate it is today? For those who dismiss Atlanta as a 2nd tier, mid-size O&D market that can't support its' growing international operation, I suggest you re-evaluate. And quickly.

Blessed with geography, lack of competition, a single regional airport, a vibrant and diverse economy, an exploding local population and a commitment from its global hometown carrier...just imagine what the next 20-30 years will look like.
 
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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 2):
Same as IAH not having many foreign carriers.

IAH does have many foreign carriers. BA, EK, PK (still serve?), KL/PrivatAir, Cayman, AF, LH, AM, Grupo Taca, China Airlines, rumoured Korean starting and Air India. Missing any, I think that ultimately Houston area will surpass Philly and the Metroplex.
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RE: New Us Census Figures And How Your Airport Relates

Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:08 pm

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 10):
IAH does have many foreign carriers. BA, EK, PK (still serve?), KL/PrivatAir, Cayman, AF, LH, AM, Grupo Taca, China Airlines, rumoured Korean starting and Air India. Missing any, I think that ultimately Houston area will surpass Philly and the Metroplex.

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