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Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:40 am

Last night I was on an ANA flight from NRT-OKA, using a 767-300ER and to my GREAT surprise, the captain left the the nose camera on during the entire taxi and takeoff, and then turned it back on for the final 6 nm of landing. It was AWESOME! I have never seen anything like that, and for some reason, I thought airlines no longer did that after the AA crash at ORD. I should have taken a picture, but I had an awful angle of the screens.

What other airliners do this?
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:50 am

Both JAL and ANA have this feature on every wide body aircraft.
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:11 am

I've flown on a JL 763 last year which had that feature, and we had a spectacular view of the runway lights at KIX Runway 06 at night. I wish more airlines had this feature!
The CX 773 fleet is also supposed to have it, but it was disabled on my flight...
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:21 am

Some European charter airlines offer this as well, such as DE and AB. Interesting, but gets kind of confusing if you have a window seat, do I look out the window or do I watch the screen .... lol!
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:35 am

JAL has done it every time I've flown out of NRT, ORD and I think JFK. There's also a camera looking straight down that's viewable on JEN (JAL Entertainment Network) channel 3 I think. The flight is always on a 747.
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:21 pm

LX had nose cameras on 3 A320s used mainly on charter flights under the SWISS SUN brand. However they would quite often appear on LX scheduled flights. They had normal LX livery except the name was SWISS SUN instead of SWISS. I've been on 3 or 4 flights using those aircraft (HB-IJU/V/W) and the nose cameras were turned on for taxi/takeoff/landing.

LX dropped the SWISS SUN operation a couple of years ago and the 3 A320s are now part of the regular LX fleet (with the word SUN painted over), but not sure whether they have removed or deactivated the nose cameras.


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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:23 pm

What AA at ORD are you referring to?
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:49 pm

It's standard (AFAIK) on EK aircraft - quite amzing watching the lights coming up over the gulf at night as you descend into DXB; also the downwards-facing camera is pretty useful... On some of my most recent EK flights I've had 3 seats (in economy), so I could have one PTV set to the moving map, one to the forward camera, and one to the downward camera. And if they had the moving map on the public screen, then I had one PTV free for a computer game ot two...  Smile

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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 6):
What AA at ORD are you referring to?

Had to have been the DC10 with the pylon accident. Only one I know of.
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:27 pm

Quoting SuseJ772 (Thread starter):
I thought airlines no longer did that after the AA crash at ORD.

 Confused

Cameras outside the plane are a very recent development. There were few if any planes that had even TV monitors in the passenger cabin back then, never mind cameras broadcasting the view from the nose.
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:39 pm

TG have this feature on their aircraft... I took it by surprise and had to grab my camera and get it on video!

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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:10 pm

AA had a nose camera (used during takeoffs and landings) as part of their new "ASTROVision" product back in maybe the late 60s or 70s; I think they were the first. I remember flying a 707 Astrojet from SAN to JFK and being able to enjoy the climb out and landing (unfortunately in black and white) broadcast on the screen -- really cool!

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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:27 pm

I've had it on SAS HEL-CPH-LHR.

It's almost as cool as Channel 9 on UA
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:52 pm

I know Mytravel have them on their 767-300s and A330-200s .
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:00 pm

Cathay Pacific have it on some 777's. It was mounted just behind the noise wheel so you could watch the wheel go up and down. On Emirates I think it was mounted on the actual front wheel so during the flight you of course could not see anything.
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:01 pm

Finnair have the cameras too, on the A319 / 320 / 321- not sure about their other aircraft

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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:25 pm

LX also have them on the A340s.

The last time I was on a LX 320 with the camera we had the camera on the screen for the takeoff but just the normal Airshow for the landing - same on the 340s.in C (the PTVs are stowed by this time)

I can see why, you can imagine how some pax would react if the plane had to make a go-around due to a runway incursion and they saw it. On the other hand they put connecting gate info on the Airshow for the last 20 minutes so maybe that was the reason.
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:29 pm

SK has this on their 340s. They have a nose view, and a bottom view. They can also be accessed during flight.
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:31 pm

SAS have them on the A330 and I think the A340.

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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:56 pm

Flew CPT - FRA two days ago and SA had them also on their A346

The tail camera is quite interesting during taxi  Wink

BTW I had access to the tail, downward an front camera the whole time during taxi, flight, and even after we arrived at the gate...
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:22 pm

Quoting TimePilot (Reply 4):
JAL has done it every time I've flown out of NRT, ORD and I think JFK. There's also a camera looking straight down that's viewable on JEN (JAL Entertainment Network) channel 3 I think. The flight is always on a 747.

Here are a couple of pictures I took on-board a JAL 744on finals. Great little feature if you ask me.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u271/Norcal773/FebTriptoCali158.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u271/Norcal773/FebTriptoCali157.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u271/Norcal773/FebTriptoCali159.jpg

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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:29 pm

Iberia A340-600 take-off from Montevideo:

 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:48 pm

Emirates has it on its fleet as well; in these days when you can't get jump seat access anymore, it's a great plus. I remember having it on a CX 773, in J Class. The unfortunate thing was that these were the armrest PTVs ... which had to be stowed for t/o and landing. D'oh!

I've experienced it on a JAL 763 coming into KIX on a really nasty day; that was interesting to watch on the cabin screen.
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:20 am

Garuda did this already in 1998 on their 747s.
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:52 am

re: 1979 crash, American Airlines., Flight 191, at O'Hare. One thing I distinctly remember is there was a tremendous amount of distress over some PAX perhaps having been able to witness their own demise on live TV in the cabin. I also remember thinking the notion was overwrought at the time, and it still is. Nonetheless, nearly thirty years later and millions of take-offs and landings, no TV - in the US anyway.
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 24):
One thing I distinctly remember is there was a tremendous amount of distress over some PAX perhaps having been able to witness their own demise on live TV in the cabin.

Yeah... as if they couldn't look out the bloody windows and see that they were rolling into the ground.  sarcastic  Maybe we should ban windows on planes, too.
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 24):
Nonetheless, nearly thirty years later and millions of take-offs and landings, no TV - in the US anyway.

Unless of course you're on JetBlue or someone with live TV broadcasts in the cabin and CNN is filming your demise for the TV audience...

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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:14 am

The DC-10's in the AA fleet in the 1970's had a cockpit camera, not a nose camera. As others have pointed out, external cameras, especially in color, are a relatively new feature, and are mostly related to very large airplanes that might otherwise be difficult to taxi without some kind of outside view, particularly of the main landing gear. You see, while taxiing, the mains must more or less straddle the taxiway centerline, and this is difficult to maintain in turns, especially with very long aircraft with the nosewheel behind the pilot seat.

As to the notion that the passengers on the AA DC-10 in 1979 could watch the awful action on the TV, I'm sure that most of them were watching and, more to the point feeling, the tragedy unfold out the windows and through the seat of their pants. The aircraft rolled beyond 90 degrees, and from the photo taken from the ground it is safe to assume that the roll was not fully coordinated; that is, it would have felt VERY frightening, like falling sideways. The actual cockpit camera view on the entertainment system was configured, in terms of exposure, to show the interior of the cockpit, and the outside view, what little there was of it, was usually overexposed and out of focus during the day.

The advent of high definition cameras and entertainment systems will probably portend an era when the very heavy and expensive cabin windows can actually be deleted from future transport aircraft designs. I am actually surprised that the A380 and 787 have cabin windows -- it would have saved many thousands of pounds of glass, plastic and metal if the fuselage had no windows or reinforced openings, and the sad part is that today, on both day and night flights, all of the shades are drawn anyway, the better to view the mostly insipid offerings of Hollywood! To open a window shade, at least on a day flight, is to risk being pilloried and excoriated without mercy!

Someday soon we will will also be able, technologically at least, to dispense with the cockpit windows, although by then I will be long retired from the left seat! I do still relish my view, you see - it's the best part of the job!
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:55 am

In '83 or '84, well after the '79 ORD crash, I flew AA on a DC-10 from LGA to YYZ and there was a camera operating, probably from the nose landing-gear, so we could watch the take-off (horrible resolution, black/white, jerky). I have no recollection of watching the landing.
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:30 am

I had it on SK BKK-CPH and CPH to MUC
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:02 am

I have also seen these great videos on EY A330's and 773's and BD have had them on the A330 flights from the start and I can tell you landing into BGI or LAS is great with those videos!!
 
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:08 am

This would be a great feature for UA to have to go along with Ch. 9
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting SuseJ772 (Thread starter):
It was AWESOME! I have never seen anything like that

I experienced it first on a SAA A346 flight from CPT to JNB, it was indeed very amazing! ...

... But nothing can beat a cockpit jumpseat flight.  Wink

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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:55 am

Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 31):
This would be a great feature for UA to have to go along with Ch. 9

Heh... what I want on UA is a local area radar scope in the seat back TVBig grin
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:52 pm

Quoting Avallillo (Reply 27):
The DC-10's in the AA fleet in the 1970's had a cockpit camera, not a nose camera



Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 9):
Cameras outside the plane are a very recent development.

When I was in the military, 1964-68, I flew on an AA plane, either 707 or 727 and it had a nose gear camera, with the T/O & Ldg shown on TV's mounted under psu .
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RE: Takeoff & Landing Camera On ANA 767 Last Night

Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:28 pm

I hate JAL's and ANA's exterior cameras - I have to deal with them on every flight between JFK and NRT. I'm a nervous flier as it is, and on a fully loaded 747 (I haven't flown ANA since they switched to 777's) on a hot day, it really looks like you're heading for the trees on takeoff. Especially with the particular angle and field of view of their cameras, it looks like the entire runway is used up before you're airborne - there's no runway left in view before the rear bogeys lift off the ground. Just trees, buildings or water rushing at you only a few hundred feet away at that point.

It's tough to avoid looking unless you fully close your eyes, which I don't like to do on takeoff. They have the camera view on every seatback (you can't turn it off) and on the main screens. They really force you to watch it.

Landing is not quite as harrowing for me but still can be nerve-wracking. If I can clearly see from miles out that we're lined up and on the glideslope, then it actually relaxes me a bit. If I can't see the runway and we're only a few hundred feet up, though, I get pretty anxious. My last flight on ANA to JFK, we were coming in to one of the 4's over the water, but the pilots did some sort of non-standard approach where we hugged the south shore of Long Island before turning right only about a mile or so from the airport. Sort of a reverse Canarsie approach. Anyway, all I was looking at on that nosewheel cam was a big expanse of water down to about 500 feet, no land in sight. I could see the rolling waves and everything. That was pretty freakin' scary!

I'd feel better if I had ATC audio to go along with the visuals, but without knowing what's actually going on, I'd really rather do without the cams.
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