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CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:12 am

I found this little gem in today's (Sunday, April 8th) Plain Dealer,

Quote:
Wintry weather keeps us in its icy grip
Sunday, April 08, 2007
Joe Guillen
Plain Dealer Reporter

[...]At Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, a de-icing truck struck the tail of a Southwest Airlines plane loaded with passengers about 8 p.m., airport spokeswoman Pat Smith said.

There were no injuries, but the resulting damage to the plane caused the flight to be canceled.

Source: http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer...yahoga/1176021218311540.xml&coll=2
 
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:01 am

From what I understand, we werent the only airline with issues with Aeromag this week. 2 other aircraft last night and 1 more this morning also got hit.

There are some serious issues with this company, most notably their communications on the pad. Aircraft are not called by tail number, but rather by the lane they are in (I think) which causes some serious confusion. I have been told (by someone who should know) that the FAA is investigating their practices....

And just for the record, the flight in question (313 to MDW) did not cancel, it continued with another aircraft =)

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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:17 am

A total of 3 hits yesterday and 1 today?

Just one more and the guy will be an "ace"....  Wink
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:55 am

I wonder if these are happening because some of the trucks are driven remotely from the cherry pickers rather than have a driver in the cab? I saw this a couple weeks ago and thought that it looked a bit risky.
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:09 am

Does Southwest contract with this company for deicing service rather than use our own trucks and staffing? Here at SAT we have two deicing trucks and our Ramp Sups and Agents handle all deicing service.
 
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 3):
I wonder if these are happening because some of the trucks are driven remotely from the cherry pickers rather than have a driver in the cab? I saw this a couple weeks ago and thought that it looked a bit risky

Yeah, on a CO aircraft on some kind (oh my God, I can't even remember the destination or aircraft model anymore -- and it was within the past few months) I was in the exit row window staring out the window just waiting for an accident to occur --between the fact that they were being remotely driven and the driver (at least on my side of that particular aircraft) seemed to be driving a bit, er, agressively for the conditions

Quoting SWACLE (Reply 1):
And just for the record, the flight in question (313 to MDW) did not cancel, it continued with another aircraft =)

Don/WN CLE

How did you guys pull that one off? I can't imagine CLE has enough WN flights to justfiy a spare -- did another flight cancel or .... ?

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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting N200WN (Reply 4):
Does Southwest contract with this company for deicing service rather than use our own trucks and staffing? Here at SAT we have two deicing trucks and our Ramp Sups and Agents handle all deicing service.

It is a common use facility that opened by the city this year due to concerns with the environmental impact of the glycol runoff.
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 5):
How did you guys pull that one off? I can't imagine CLE has enough WN flights to justfiy a spare -- did another flight cancel or .... ?

Since it happened about 8pm, we probably turned (what would have been) a terminating aircraft out for 313. After temporary repairs, the damaged aircraft MX ferried out to HOU for permanent repair...

[Edited 2007-04-09 00:27:17]
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:04 am

It was only a matter of time. They drive the truck with a joystick from up in the bucket, it's not the greatest vantage to be steering a large vehicle from. Good thing winter's almost over, these guys seem to be sucking up the joint.
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:40 pm

Actually, it was 2809 that cancelled. It was booked to all of 12, so we combined the 108 off of 313 and the 12 off of 2809 and sent them all as 313. As OPNL said, the damaged bird ferreied to HOU at about 0845 this am.

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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:58 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
A total of 3 hits yesterday

A hat trick. Incredible! Were all three planes forced to cancel?
 
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:11 pm

Were all hit by the same guy? Thats one record if it is.

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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:27 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
A total of 3 hits yesterday and 1 today?

I'd hate to be that company's insurance carrier.
 
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 12):
I'd hate to be that company's insurance carrier.

Now there going to sky rocket. Whats going to happen to them?

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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:59 am

A few years back I was working ramp for Comair in FNT and I saw first hand what a tug and a two week trainee can do to a brand new aircraft. The day before the Airtran 717 went on maintanence and it was a direct flight to MCO over Christmas. I remember the station manager running around doing everything she could to get another AC up to FNT. That evening Airtran Corperate sent a brand spanking new 717 up to FNT to accomadate all those pax going to MCO.
The plane had less than a 1000hrs on it.

I was in the tug pushing back our Comair CRJ and I heard a giant POP! It was so loud I could see our pilots looking around. None of us could tell exactly what it was as we all had head phones on and the engines were running. We continued with our pushback. I remember looking over at the Airtran 717 parked at the adjacent jetway. It had what appreared to be a big access panel open on the nose of the aircraft. I didnt think much of it but as I was pulling back up from the push back I realized that it wasnt an access panel but a giant gouge in the nose of the AC. Next to it was a winter tug with its front and back window blown out.

Some poor trainee that was only there for two weeks was pulling the lav cart up to the AC. Instead of going forward she dropped it in reverse and slammed into the plane. I saw the Airtran station manager actually crying when she found out what happened. I felt really bad for her after all that work she did to get eveyone on thier way. The FAA spent two days at the airport and the AC was grounded for over a week until they could cut all the metal out and replace it with a sheet of sheet medal to ferry it to Maintenance.

The fortunate thing was that there was no pax onboard yet and what was an inccedent could very well have been and accident.

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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:26 am

Let's talk about how the one WN flight out of CLE only sold 12 seats.  duck 
 
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:16 am

I guess instead of calling it de-icing machinery driving, they call it joysitck driving... or how about "joy"stick, as in "joy riding"  Smile

Sorry, I am sure there are some better ones than that!

Quoting SWACLE (Reply 9):
Actually, it was 2809 that cancelled. It was booked to all of 12, so we combined the 108 off of 313 and the 12 off of 2809 and sent them all as 313. As OPNL said, the damaged bird ferreied to HOU at about 0845 this am.



Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 15):
Let's talk about how the one WN flight out of CLE only sold 12 seats.

HAHA!!! I guess that took all of about... oh... 12 minutes to move them onto another plane bound for MDW then???  Smile
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 16):
HAHA!!! I guess that took all of about... oh... 12 minutes to move them onto another plane bound for MDW then???

Without having to worry about chainging seat assignments I wonder it it even took that long?

Part of me thinks it would have been really funny to, say, board 313 from gate B6, close the door, pull the aircraft up to B7 and begin boarding for 2089 Big grin

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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:55 am

I had heard before that CLE was not a very high performing station for WN. Any truth to that?
 
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 15):
Let's talk about how the one WN flight out of CLE only sold 12 seats.

That doesn't surprise me all that much. I mean... It's a Saturday night 8:25pm departure.

Speaking of low load factors on big planes... I remember flying home to CHS from SFO during a family vacation in 1996. We were flying DL and the ATL-CHS leg (an 11 pm departure) was on a 757 that flew first to CAE to drop off passengers and then made the short hop down to CHS. I think there were a total of 8 pax on that flight. 3 got off in CAE. 5 continued to CHS (4 of them were members of my family). Had the whole airplane to ourselves

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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
Just one more and the guy will be an "ace"....

Richard Bong and David McCampbell have nothing on these guys, do they  wink 

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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting Bcoz (Reply 19):
Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 15):
Let's talk about how the one WN flight out of CLE only sold 12 seats.

That doesn't surprise me all that much. I mean... It's a Saturday night 8:25pm departure.

Until the schedule thats flying now (March 11), we didn't have a sat departure after 1850, and as long as I can remember, we NEVER had a sat departure after about 1930. Now we have a 2025 and a 2130. Any guess how they are performing?

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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 15):
Let's talk about how the one WN flight out of CLE only sold 12 seats.

Over spring break no less!!
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 22):
Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 15):
Let's talk about how the one WN flight out of CLE only sold 12 seats.

Over spring break no less!!

Chicago is really not a "Spring Break" destimation for the most part.
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:09 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 23):
Chicago is really not a "Spring Break" destimation for the most part.

Neither are Cincinnati or New York, yet all out flights have been packed for weeks. It's called "making a connection!"  wink 
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 24):
Neither are Cincinnati or New York, yet all out flights have been packed for weeks. It's called "making a connection!"

NO! Your kidding!

WN and CLE is not really a popular connecting point now is it. Also since you failed to read these are relatively new flights for WN and the CLE market.
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RE: CLE: De-icing Truck Hits A WN 737

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:41 am

Yes, but given WN's schedule at MDW, about the only connection you are going to get to a popular spring break destination that late is LAS. And there is an non-stop from CLE to LAS that departs at 5:40pm.

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