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HNL To Get $2.3B Makeover - It's About Time!

Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:02 am

While I know there are earlier threads that discussed the plans, those that frequent the Islands can rejoice, as HNL will finally get an extreme makeover:

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...20070408/BUSINESS02/704080355/1071

I, for one, hope that the microbrewery hinted at in the article goes to the Kona Brewing Company (the Pipeline Porter with real Kona Coffee in it is awesome).


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Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:11 am

So they're installing a people mover, getting new wikiwiki buses, and putting in a few restaurants.

Where is the other $2.2 billion going?
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:22 am

I would hope they redo the whole airport, the only part I like about it is it has the open air walk ways. As far as I am concerned its like walking through a 1970s airport terminal, its about time they have a new look.
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:22 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Where is the other $2.2 billion going?

There will also be concourse reconstructions later on down the line as the Diamond Head (UA, NW) and Ewa (HA, international carriers) are demolished and replaced. The stuff mentioned in the article above are the immediate and short-term improvements. There's a snipet on the wikipedia site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHNL
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 3):
There will also be concourse reconstructions later on down the line as the Diamond Head (UA, NW) and Ewa (HA, international carriers) are demolished and replaced.

I don't think that the Ewa concourse will be demolished, but rather extended from the current end at gate 34 around to join up with the interisland terminal. (Ah-ha! That is where gates 35 - 48 went to!). From what I've heard it will require moving the AQ and HA maintenance facilities so that the taxiway into and out of the current interisland ramp can be realigned to accommodate the new gates. It also wouldn't make sense to demolish the Ewa concourse immediately after installing the multi-million dollar 'people mover' that is in the paper today. I have seen the drawing from the wikipedia selection on PHNL, but I think that version is just one option, and in my opinion the less desireable one. The terminal in the drawing has a narrow cross section, and I can't imagine how they'll fit 300+ passengers into each gate when there's a 747 parked at either side of it. By looking at the drawing, the concourse seems even narrower than the current one, and the one we have now only loads passengers on one side. I think in the end the more economical option of just extending the current terminal will win out.

I don't know about the Diamond Head concourse, but I don't think they would demolish that one either, but will just extend it out to where the current overnight parking stands are (gates 1-5).

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Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:40 am

I dunno, I thought it was a pretty nice airport when I was there in November. The open-air aspect was especially pleasant.

But the people mover sounds like a great idea, and there's always amusement value in adding another Starbucks.

(not the best coffee there is, but it's hard to screw up espresso, and their ubiquity and generally pleasant staff make up for any shortcomings on the drip-coffee side)

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Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:41 am

Quoting HAL (Reply 4):
I don't know about the Diamond Head concourse, but I don't think they would demolish that one either, but will just extend it out to where the current overnight parking stands are (gates 1-5).

One thing is for sure -- they definitely need to do something to it. On a recent trip through HNL, I walked the entire length of the Diamond Head Concourse, all the way to the United Hawaiian Islands GM's office at the very end past gate gate 6, upstairs. That terminal looks so horrible -- it is old and decrepit, with virtually no restaurants or shops -- and looks (probably for good reason) as if nothing has been done to it since 1975. It needs some dramatic work done. The other concourses aren't much better, in my experience, but I was shocked at just how old and worn the United gates at HNL looked.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:44 am

FINALLY! It's been long overdue. When I lived in Hawaii and picked up family and friends at HNL, I always felt so embarrassed to say 'welcome' in this shambles poor excuse for an airport. The only saving grace is the unique open-air atmosphere.
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:00 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Where is the other $2.2 billion going?

Labor and kickbacks! Gotta show the union bosses some love or risk another strike ala the (lack of) cement debacle back in 2004.

Quoting TristanHNL (Reply 7):
When I lived in Hawaii and picked up family and friends at HNL, I always felt so embarrassed to say 'welcome' in this shambles poor excuse for an airport

As did I. The UA baggage area actually isn't too bad - it's spacious and looks no better or worse than most other U.S. airports. The gate areas, particularly the DH concourse, are really bad. Yeah, they've added a view vendors recently but, as a whole, HNL is a few steps behind other airports in terms of design, comfort and, IMO, doesn't do an effective job of maximizing potential pax revenue in regard to food, beverages, and souvenirs.


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Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
I, for one, hope that the microbrewery hinted at in the article goes to the Kona Brewing Company (the Pipeline Porter with real Kona Coffee in it is awesome).

The article specifically states Gordon Biersch.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 9):
The article specifically states Gordon Biersch.

Wow, that's real island flavor there...

Honestly, why should HNL be made into every other airport on earth? What's the point of traveling at all when all the destinations are the same set of stores and eateries, just with menus in different languages. Kona was a fun place to visit, but the landscape is scarred by the giant Walmart up the hill. It's frustrating how Hawai'i is losing it's identity.

I would like to see HNL be fixed, but just turning it into IAH or EWR or DEN would suck. Keep it uniquely Hawai'i !!
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:20 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Wow, that's real island flavor there...

Odds are Gordon Biersch coughed up more money for the airport franchise then Kona Brewing Company would.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Kona was a fun place to visit, but the landscape is scarred by the giant Walmart up the hill. It's frustrating how Hawai'i is losing it's identity.

Believe it or not some of Walmart most successful stores are those in Hawaii. Walmart and Sam Club are one the largest retail employers on the islands and do have very strong following -- to the point people used to hop on planes and fly to Honolulu to go shopping before Walmart stores opened on neighboring islands!
Loosing identity or not the company is providing folks in Hawaii something they clearly want.
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 11):
Believe it or not some of Walmart most successful stores are those in Hawaii.

I believe it and I don't begrudge the people from having access. Just I think putting it 2 stories above the town, on the hillside, with a huge sign you can see from cruise ships and day sailing, is offensive to the eye and destroys the Kona "flavor."

As does waiting to depart HNL and eating at a Gordon Biersch. Hell, even in old town Pasadena they hid the GB in an alley...  Wink
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:38 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Honestly, why should HNL be made into every other airport on earth? What's the point of traveling at all when all the destinations are the same set of stores and eateries, just with menus in different languages.

This is why I'm not a big fan of HMSHost. Either they bring in the same major national chains (Burger King, Starbucks, Pizza Hut, etc) everywhere, of which GB is one of them, or it's generically bad cafeteria food (like at OGG). I really like what SFO has done, throwing out the single service vendor to operate all the food places, and instead brining in local San Francisco restaurants to operate in the airport, mixed in with some better known places.

There's probably an argument for bringing in "safe" national brands so that travelers can more easily decide what they want without having to spend to much effort thinking (you're in a place you don't know well, and you know what to expect when you see a brand you're familiar with), though I would think this would be more of an issue at hubs where you'd have people just passing through looking to grab something to eat.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:44 pm

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 13):
There's probably an argument for bringing in "safe" national brands so that travelers can more easily decide what they want

True, but one can argue that "Micro Brew Pub" is actually a "brand" in itself, and travellers won't avoid the Kona Micro Pub because it's not GB. They know all Micro Brew Pubs have fresh, regional style beers and pub food.

And beer lovers would actually prefer a local micro brew at the airport than the same old same old they can get anywhere. That's the POINT of micro brews.

As for BK and Starbucks, necessary evils. But they shouldn't push out local stores, just coexist. HNL should have more local pride and make sure at least 1/3rd of the concessions in the Airport are locally based.
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 9):
Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
I, for one, hope that the microbrewery hinted at in the article goes to the Kona Brewing Company (the Pipeline Porter with real Kona Coffee in it is awesome).

The article specifically states Gordon Biersch.

Read it again. The article states that the micro brewery will be called Island Brews and Pizza. The first one is supposed open in the Diamond Head concourse.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:51 pm

The Jamba Juice company newsletter says that a Jamba will open in the terminal (run by HMSHost as opposed to Jamba Juice Company Hawaii).
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:04 am

There's also local eats in the inter-island terminal ... for those craving one last plate lunch.

The renovations are part of a 12-year long-range project.
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:10 am

Jamba Juice has become big on the islands. Anyone know if they use local produce or just ship in frozen stuff?

I find it funny that most resorts and bars now use "Island Oasis" from a carton to make their tropical drinks, rather than local ingredients. I can get the same exact Pina Colada at the Olive Garden in Burbank...  Wink

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 17):
There's also local eats in the inter-island terminal ... for those craving one last plate lunch.

I had a hawaiian burger of some kind in the inter-island terminal pub. It was quite tasty!

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 15):
Read it again. The article states that the micro brewery will be called Island Brews and Pizza.

But will it just be GB with a different name and serve GB brews? Or will it actually be local beers? I hope the latter!

And either way it demonstrates my point that "micro brew pub" is a brand concept, and the actual name isn't important.
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
Jamba Juice has become big on the islands. Anyone know if they use local produce or just ship in frozen stuff?

I'm sure Jamba juice will source required items from a local produce vendor.. now where those might actually come from might be a different story as Hawaii does not grow everything.
However majority of Jamba Juice drinks require various forms powders, those are distributed nationally.

btw-there is something to be said for not procuring supplies locally. Important things such as flavors, taste, texture, color etc.. cannot often be guaranteed with a variety of supplier. Most chains much prefer central sourcing to ensure consistent products. Just ask McDonalds whom decided to procure much of its European items on the Continent during the early 90s, they soon realised Polish and Russian potato's along with various sources of meat lead to big product inconsistencies across the continent.
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
Jamba Juice has become big on the islands. Anyone know if they use local produce or just ship in frozen stuff?

Jamba's fruits come to Hawaii frozen from various other countries depending on the fruit. The HMSHost Jamba will get the same ingredients as any other Jamba, the only thing that's different is the Hawaii logo merchandise which only JJC Hawaii can carry and how it's run since it's not part of the JJC Hawaii family which owns every other Jamba except UH Jamba in Hawaii.
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:51 am

I've always loved HNL's terminals. I love walking in the open air and hope they maintain that feature. The wikiwiki buses have always been a hoot. It seems I get on them, we drive all over the place and it lets us off about 50 feet down from where we got on them! I could never understand the routing of those buses.

The one complaint I have with HNL gate areas is that, when you sit down on the seats that look out onto the tarmac, that big wooden handrailing completely blocks your view of the tarmac. You must either stand up or sit on the floor -- neither a very satisfactory alternative if you've got a long wait.

I agree with the prior posts - put some local flavor into the shopping and dining experience!
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 2):
I would hope they redo the whole airport, the only part I like about it is it has the open air walk ways. As far as I am concerned its like walking through a 1970s airport terminal, its about time they have a new look.

The first time I flew into HNL in 2000 it was more than jus tthe terminal that was like 1970's time warp. There were DC-10's, L1011's, classic 737 and 747's and DC-9's as far as the eye could see. Don't see many of those at HNL anymore.
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 21):
The one complaint I have with HNL gate areas is that, when you sit down on the seats that look out onto the tarmac, that big wooden handrailing completely blocks your view of the tarmac. You must either stand up or sit on the floor -- neither a very satisfactory alternative if you've got a long wait.

 rotfl  That's so true! I hated that!
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:14 am

Something tells me the 70's style Singer Ray's is not going to survive this!!

Seriously, I will be sad to see the changes, many, many fond memories of family vacations to Hawaii.
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 21):
The wikiwiki buses have always been a hoot. It seems I get on them, we drive all over the place and it lets us off about 50 feet down from where we got on them! I could never understand the routing of those buses.

So true - after my 2nd trip to HNL, I learned that it's much easier to "walkie-walkie" than take the "wiki-wiki"  Big grin

I do love the open-air portions, hope they keep those, but the Diamond Head concourse most definitely needs a facelift.
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:29 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 19):
However majority of Jamba Juice drinks require various forms powders, those are distributed nationally.

Well, of course the powders are not going to made in Hawaii.

But the pineapple and guava and mango they use in so much of their stuff could. And there is just no comparison between the frozen stuff they use here in CA and fresh pineapple in Hawaii.

I had a Jamba juice in Kona, but I don't remember what they used. It was early in the morning and I wasn't really awake yet.
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 9):
The article specifically states Gordon Biersch.

Right, which is why I'm hoping it goes to Kona Brewing Co!

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 11):
Odds are Gordon Biersch coughed up more money for the airport franchise then Kona Brewing Company would.

The irony in this is that Hawaii, while generally protective of local brands, completely sells itself short at the wrong time. Local vendors and products at airports are practically a given everywhere else: ORD offers the Berghoff Brewery and Chicago style hotdogs, SFO (as mentioned above) has a killer food court in the UA terminal with tons of local specialties, DEN has western-themed bars, restaurants and vendors everywhere...the list goes on and on.

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 15):
The article states that the micro brewery will be called Island Brews and Pizza.

Which is short for " Flat Budweiser and stale Tombstone Pizzas in portable, plug in ovens". I, for one, am not optimistic.

Quoting Jetboy757 (Reply 16):
The Jamba Juice company newsletter says that a Jamba will open in the terminal (run by HMSHost as opposed to Jamba Juice Company Hawaii).

Many island-based Starbucks are colocated with Jamba Juice outlets so I wouldn't say that this is a big surprise.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 11):
Believe it or not some of Walmart most successful stores are those in Hawaii.

Wait til Target moves out to Kapolei - you'll finally get to see what you've been missing. It's so much easier to shop when less than 30% of the merchandise is on the floor!

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 13):
or it's generically bad cafeteria food (like at OGG).

So true.


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Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:34 am

Quoting Jetboy757 (Reply 16):
The Jamba Juice company newsletter says that a Jamba will open in the terminal (run by HMSHost as opposed to Jamba Juice Company Hawaii).

About time. It would make it so much easier for us airline wokers to get some Jamba with one in one of the terminals.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
But will it just be GB with a different name and serve GB brews? Or will it actually be local beers?

It does say local flavors, so it most likely could be some local brew.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 21):
The one complaint I have with HNL gate areas is that, when you sit down on the seats that look out onto the tarmac, that big wooden handrailing completely blocks your view of the tarmac.

Well, blame the people who sue because they walk into big panes of glass and get hurt because they can't tell the difference between glass and open space. It's also so that people don't lean on the glass.
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:58 am

HNL is one of the best airports I have had a chance to hang out at. Yes, it does have its 70s style, but it does have awesome locations for viewing aircraft.......in some cases you will see classics like 741s 742s, 743s 732s, DC-10s, DC-8s, and if you are lucky a Tristar. Although with the stop of NWs DC-10s its rare today.

I hope they keep the open air walkways, because there is nothing like smelling fresh flowers when you get off of a long flight.

Please please please, get rid of the desel powered trams. Gheto.....

Look forward to a new airport, that will give me an excuse to go home to the islands.

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Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
fresh pineapple in Hawaii.

Sadly, so much of the pineapple is actually flown in. Many of the old school pineapple plantations are now shuttered. Dole is only the most recent example.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 25):
So true - after my 2nd trip to HNL, I learned that it's much easier to "walkie-walkie" than take the "wiki-wiki"

Unless you're an international arrival on UA or NW in which case you have to take the "wastee-wastee" buses to customs. Just what we want: riding in a cramped compartment after riding in a cramped compartment!


Seriously, tho, what would be more Hawaiian than these vendors?

ABC Store (magazines, sundries and souvenirs)
Hilo Hattie (send those last minute gifts home)
L&L Drive Inn (nothing beats a Loco Moco before boarding!)
Matsumoto Shave Ice (perfect for that outdoor walk from check-in to the DH concourse)
Watanabe Floral (send orchids home)
Roy's (okay, maybe a "to-go" version)
Sam Choy's BLC (would beat the crap off of Stinger Ray's)
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