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AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:59 pm

News just in.... It made an emergency landing because of a gear failure and while being towed to the terminal it fell on the main rwy 28 at DEL. All flights delayed, authorities are saying crutial equipment to tow it off has to be brought it from BOM.

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/new...NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-293574-2.xml

" NEW DELHI (Reuters) - An Air India plane made an emergency landing on Monday and has blocked one of two runways at New Delhi's international airport, delaying air traffic, officials said.

The Airbus A310 flying from Shanghai and Bangkok made the emergency landing around 7 a.m. (0130 GMT) after problems with its landing gear, they said."

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[Edited 2007-04-09 10:01:32]
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:44 pm

Wasn't there a BG A310 nose gear collapse at DXB recently? Luckily all the passengers are safe on this AI flight.
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:10 pm

Apparently there is another emergency landing taking place this time Ai 736 operating DXB-DEL seems to be a 767-300.

Will tell yoll as i get to know more myself

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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:52 pm

Is it just my imagination or does AI have more than its fair share of emergencies... ?
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:24 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 1):
Wasn't there a BG A310 nose gear collapse at DXB recently? Luckily all the passengers are safe on this AI flight.

Yes there was, after an aborted takeoff.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
Apparently there is another emergency landing taking place this time Ai 736 operating DXB-DEL seems to be a 767-300.

Hopefully it won't block the other runway otherwise DEL will look like DXB did a few weeks ago.

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 3):
Is it just my imagination or does AI have more than its fair share of emergencies... ?

It is your imagination  wink . They just happen to be covered in the news.
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:45 pm

Does anybody else feel that airbus has been seeing quite a few nosegear incidents recently?
 
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Does anybody else feel that airbus has been seeing quite a few nosegear incidents recently?

So has Bombardier..... Big grin

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 3):
Is it just my imagination or does AI have more than its fair share of emergencies... ?

Just your over-sensitive imagination buddy... smile  Tendency is that when airlines like AI, always the target of over zelous and knowledgeable a.netters, has any incident whatsoever, questions are raised about their abilities, practices, etc... such things happen on almost a daily basis to different airlines across the world and much depends on the local media coverage and the agility of an a.netter to bring it up in this forum....

Nonetheless, worth pointing out that the 767 involved in the second incident at DEL was the one recently leased from a European company....
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Does anybody else feel that airbus has been seeing quite a few nosegear incidents recently?

Yes but the airlines that operate them is more of a factor!!! AI,BG,PK,FG
 
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:45 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Does anybody else feel that airbus has been seeing quite a few nosegear incidents recently?

Yes but the airlines that operate them is more of a factor!!! AI,BG,PK,FG

Rather than pointing fingers at the airlines involved, you could have strained yourself a bit more to arrive at the conclusion that atleast 3 of the four airlines you mentioned have A310's which had these problems......maybe it's a fault of the aircraft type (and these airlines form the bulk of the few carriers that operate the 310 today), maybe it's a problem with the airlines.....either way, none of us is in a position to draw such conclusions.....
 
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:49 pm

Well if I wanted to stir the pot, is it a coincidence that whenever a airline has a problem with an Airbus a/c they immediately also have a problem with a Boeing a/c, strange, real strange.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting Par13del (Reply 9):
is it a coincidence that whenever a airline has a problem with an Airbus a/c they immediately also have a problem with a Boeing a/c, strange, real strange.

Maybe the Boeing A/C is going out in smpathy with the Airbus A/C ...lol.....NOT
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:01 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 4):
Quoting Nimish (Reply 1):
Wasn't there a BG A310 nose gear collapse at DXB recently? Luckily all the passengers are safe on this AI flight.

Yes there was, after an aborted takeoff.

AFAIK (as discussed, and speculated on a.net and other websites), the BG A310 lost nose gear due to loose debris from a burst tire on the runway (from an arriving A/C previously), and due to negligence of DXB authorities who did not advise BG to hold, or to inspect the runway. I am not aware of the investigation status on this incident, and the facts may be different, but the tire burst incident was real, and it happened just before BG takeoff.

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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting BOACVC10 (Reply 11):
AFAIK (as discussed, and speculated on a.net and other websites), the BG A310 lost nose gear due to loose debris from a burst tire on the runway (from an arriving A/C previously), and due to negligence of DXB authorities who did not advise BG to hold, or to inspect the runway. I am not aware of the investigation status on this incident, and the facts may be different, but the tire burst incident was real, and it happened just before BG takeoff.

Wish that others on this forum would do their homework as thoroughly as you do before posting....  

[Edited 2007-04-09 17:03:10]
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:12 am

Hey Come on come one guys... stop trying to change every freikin thread on this site into a A v B battle. FYI, though AI has had incidents with its A310's. lets not forget that the second incident today was a Boeing and AI 's earlier voes were on their unlucky 747.

So its not really a manufacture thing. Its got alot to do with just plain and simple bad freikin luck!

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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:14 am

Waiting for someone to say that airlines from these 'Third World countries' should not be allowed to fly.  duck 
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting BigTom (Reply 14):
Waiting for someone to say that airlines from these 'Third World countries' should not be allowed to fly. duck

Wow, I wonder what will happen when these 'third world' airlines operate 787's before carriers in 'nicer' parts of the world..
Or we could point out that we still get hot food on flights. If we really want to.
Heh!

Anyhow, that said those A310's - I still don't know the rego - but even the ones that AI got from SQ (I flew VT-AIP HKG-DEL in March) seem on the edge.
Air India's own A310's (like VT-ELJ which I flew DEL-HKG) are really ratty inside. Great food though.

The planes seem to operate fine, though loudly. Very loudly.

I would consider the DEL incident as a one-off but AI needs those 777's which are ready for delivery at Seattle now!

These have been pretty severe knock-on delays because 27/09 does not have rapid exit taxiways and this incident happened just before the morning rush. Some of the budget carriers cancelled some flights. One of my friends was supposed to come in tonight from Baroda on 9W, lets see how bad the scene is.
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:11 am

Little OT....

While looking at this incidence on TV, I noticed a PIA 747 (743?) in the background. I am surprized to see a widebody service to Mumbai by PIA. I thought they ran a 737 service and even I had seen it myself.

Does KHI-BOM has such good load OR is it a way to keep 743 (banned in Europe) busy?
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 16):
Little OT....

While looking at this incidence on TV, I noticed a PIA 747 (743?) in the background. I am surprized to see a widebody service to Mumbai by PIA. I thought they ran a 737 service and even I had seen it myself.

Does KHI-BOM has such good load OR is it a way to keep 743 (banned in Europe) busy?

Lahore-Delhi rather... PK does use the widebodies to Delhi occasionally I've seen 743's and A310's on the international apron.
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 17):
Lahore-Delhi rather... PK does use the widebodies to Delhi occasionally I've seen 743's and A310's on the international apron.

Oops... yeah, it should have been DEL. My mistake.

Does AI has a reserve aircraft to replace this damaged a/c? Which routes are likely to be affected if they can't find a replacement?
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:32 am

Soory to hear this happen. Hope AI pulls through ok with its flight ops.

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Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:03 am

Quoting BigTom (Reply 14):
Waiting for someone to say that airlines from these 'Third World countries' should not be allowed to fly.

is the UAE considered a third world country??
If that is so, your statements would put emirates in hot water!!!
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:38 am

The Times of India has reported how the pax on the A310 had a 'providential' escape and so on....it also mentions that the pilot decided to do 2 low passes over the airport so that engineers and the ATC could ascertain that the gear was indeed properly extended.....however pax seemingly did not know about this intention of the pilot and panic spread when the plane made the first pass over the runway, instead of landing...the FA's started instructing the pax how to act in case of an emergency landing, thereby scaring them further...

From the scanty report on ToI, it seems the pilots did not announce their problem and the plan to make passes over the airport for visual inspection.....they could have avoided scaring the pax by making a simple announcement....
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):

From the scanty report on ToI, it seems the pilots did not announce their problem and the plan to make passes over the airport for visual inspection.....they could have avoided scaring the pax by making a simple announcement....

Same thing happened to me on UL a few years back. We took off from CMB and a tyre burst of take off. Was a bit scary as burning rubber smell came into the cabin and there was banging under the hold (must have been the rubber comming off) . Anyway we had to make 2 fly overs the airport before landing back. The crew said nothing for ages.
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
Same thing happened to me on UL a few years back. We took off from CMB and a tyre burst of take off. Was a bit scary as burning rubber smell came into the cabin and there was banging under the hold (must have been the rubber comming off) . Anyway we had to make 2 fly overs the airport before landing back. The crew said nothing for ages.

= I had the same thing happen twice on Olympic flights back to back. Go figure!

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Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 23):
I had the same thing happen twice on Olympic flights back to back. Go figure!

Maybe some of your foes on here put glass on the runway !!! You seem to have bad luck
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:06 am

Whatever runway is still available for use at DEL must not allow for a fully loaded 777 to take off. CO83 tonight has to make a fuel stop in Canada en route EWR due to the runway closure:

P DEL/OUT 1128P L00.38 )
P DEL/OFF 1157P )
F EWR/ETA 605A L01.30
D CRC/ETA YYR 423A .. ETD 528A .. ETA EWR 658A L02.23
D FCF/FUEL STOP YYR ENROUTE DEL-EWR DUE TO DEL RUNWAY CLOSURE
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:35 am

Quoting Junction (Reply 25):
Whatever runway is still available for use at DEL must not allow for a fully loaded 777 to take off.

Thats too bad, hope the main rwy gets its full utilization soon, i am assuming no damage to it. Also, i wonder if AA 293 will take a fuel stop too in YYR  Smile
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Maybe some of your foes on here put glass on the runway !!! You seem to have bad luck

= Nah, I dont think it was bad luck ... probably just an overall reflection of how poorly Olympic is probably maintained.

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Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:36 am

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Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:38 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 27):
Nah, I dont think it was bad luck ... probably just an overall reflection of how poorly Olympic is probably maintained.

-A.

Well I can assure you OA's fleet is one of the best maintained fleets in the world and has one of the best safety records so it must have been the glass !!!!

http://195.167.49.234/technicaluk.htm

TECHNICAL BASE - Overview

TECHNICAL OPERATIONS - MAINTENANCE & ENGINEERING

Olympic Airways - Services S.A. Technical Operations Department was founded in 1957 as part of Olympic Airways S.A.
It's main function is the support of Olympic Airlines fleet in all aspects of Line, Base and Shop Maintenance. It also offers technical support to other airlines flying to Greek airports as well as extended third party work and for this purpose it holds the appropriate approvals such as JAR 145 (HCAA 001) and FAR 145 (OLAV032H).


It's new - modern 76.500m2 state of the art facility in Athens International Airport, is one of the best-equipped technical facilities in Southeast Europe.
For its long-standing safety record, the First MAINTENANCE QUALITY AWARD from the European Maintenance Academy was awarded to the Technical Operations Department in 1999.
Capabilities
Line Maintenance support of most Boeing and Airbus aircraft at 27 domestic and 9 international airports
Base Maintenance including D-checks for: Boeing B737-100 / 200 (PW JT8D), Boeing B737-300 / 400 (CFM56), Airbus A300-600 (GE CF6), Airbus A340 (CFM56)
Engines and APU’s shop maintenance
NDT / NDI specialized services
Components maintenance
Sheet metal / Structural repairs
Advanced Composite Materials repairs
Plating / Plasma Spray Coating
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:42 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 29):
Well I can assure you OA's fleet is one of the best maintained fleets in the world and has one of the best safety records so it must have been the glass !!!!

http://195.167.49.234/technicaluk.htm

TECHNICAL BASE - Overview

TECHNICAL OPERATIONS - MAINTENANCE & ENGINEERING

Olympic Airways - Services S.A. Technical Operations Department was founded in 1957 as part of Olympic Airways S.A.
It's main function is the support of Olympic Airlines fleet in all aspects of Line, Base and Shop Maintenance. It also offers technical support to other airlines flying to Greek airports as well as extended third party work and for this purpose it holds the appropriate approvals such as JAR 145 (HCAA 001) and FAR 145 (OLAV032H).


It's new - modern 76.500m2 state of the art facility in Athens International Airport, is one of the best-equipped technical facilities in Southeast Europe.
For its long-standing safety record, the First MAINTENANCE QUALITY AWARD from the European Maintenance Academy was awarded to the Technical Operations Department in 1999.
Capabilities
Line Maintenance support of most Boeing and Airbus aircraft at 27 domestic and 9 international airports
Base Maintenance including D-checks for: Boeing B737-100 / 200 (PW JT8D), Boeing B737-300 / 400 (CFM56), Airbus A300-600 (GE CF6), Airbus A340 (CFM56)
Engines and APU’s shop maintenance
NDT / NDI specialized services
Components maintenance
Sheet metal / Structural repairs
Advanced Composite Materials repairs
Plating / Plasma Spray Coating

= Haha. Thanks for the site and the reassurance. Unfortunately, propaganda sites never go a long way to allay my fears. Anyways, we are getting off topic here. I wish Olympic well ... one day hopefully the Greek airline can be a profitable player in the world market and stop changing names  Smile ... I love the logo.

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Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 29):
Well I can assure you OA's fleet is one of the best maintained fleets in the world and has one of the best safety records so it must have been the glass !!!!

Dear OA260,

I wander why you bother replying to some mean comments.
Its obvious that no matter what the safety record OA has , no matter if global statistics indicate OA to be among the top airlines , no matter if major European airliners have contracts for maintenance and repairs from OA technical department , some people in A.net know better !!!!

Yes they are the same people that praise the service and describe the feeling food that they got served flying airlines that any sane person would not even put his picture in their planes to fly.

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Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:01 pm

I can't wait to hear DisruptiveHair's take on all this.

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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:49 pm

Quoting BOACVC10 (Reply 11):
AFAIK (as discussed, and speculated on a.net and other websites), the BG A310 lost nose gear due to loose debris from a burst tire on the runway (from an arriving A/C previously), and due to negligence of DXB authorities who did not advise BG to hold, or to inspect the runway. I am not aware of the investigation status on this incident, and the facts may be different, but the tire burst incident was real, and it happened just before BG takeoff.

While you are correct, the airport authority should have closed the runway for inspection and clean up of the tire debris, that debris cannot cause the failure of landing gear on aircraft. That tire debris (FOD) is much more of a damger to the engines than the gear. The gear should be able to take the impact of a light weight (under 300lbs or so) moveable object like tire debris. The gear and it's tires impact on inpavement lighting fixtures all the time, and those impact are more severe because the in pavement fixtures don't move. They simply thump and roll over them, which is what will happen if it hits rocks, unsecured metal, or tire debris.
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:44 pm

Quoting Junction (Reply 25):
Whatever runway is still available for use at DEL must not allow for a fully loaded 777 to take off.

True, runway 27/09 is shorter than 28/10 which is DEL's primary.

Aircraft involved was VT-EJJ 'Beas' which was delivered new to AI in 1986.

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Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:09 pm

Quoting A3 (Reply 31):
I wander why you bother replying to some mean comments.

LOL, I know I shouldnt reply to ''arm chair'' experts!!!! But he is not the worst on here .

Also to the guy who has posted above and sent me an email with those ''Liechtenstein'' jokes Im not sure why you sent them to me !!! But thanks anyway.


The AI A310 made the BBC news late last night , they reported on both stories. Hopefully the A/C will not be out of service too long. I hope they never get rid of the Indian Arch windows!! They are unique.
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:06 pm

My guess is that VT-EJJ will be written off. Is it worthwhile spending a huge amount of money on an aircraft which will be in service only for a year or two?
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:26 pm

Interestingly, initial work on the new runway 28L/10R has begun, and hopefully by late next year it might be operational. However, I doubt they will make domestic flights land on this runway because it will quite a long haul on the ground to Terminal 1. That said, once the runway does get complete, incidents like this should matter less (until traffic catches up).
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting A3 (Reply 31):
Dear OA260,

I wander why you bother replying to some mean comments.
Its obvious that no matter what the safety record OA has , no matter if global statistics indicate OA to be among the top airlines , no matter if major European airliners have contracts for maintenance and repairs from OA technical department , some people in A.net know better !!!!

Yes they are the same people that praise the service and describe the feeling food that they got served flying airlines that any sane person would not even put his picture in their planes to fly.

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Quoting OA260 (Reply 35):
LOL, I know I shouldnt reply to ''arm chair'' experts!!!! But he is not the worst on here .

= LOL. I love the usual gung-ho flag waving advocates of Olympic. Seriously, I wish OA well and hope they can turn a profit someday and not go under.

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Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 16):
While looking at this incidence on TV, I noticed a PIA 747 (743?) in the background. I am surprized to see a widebody service to Mumbai by PIA. I thought they ran a 737 service and even I had seen it myself.

This is just a guess but maybe because the 743's are banned in Europe so not a whole lot of places left to fly them do they send it to Mumbai.
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:09 am

This AI indcident photo was the first of the day that stared at my face early morning in the newspaper.

So...
Are The AI and Indian Govt Not Gonna learn from these Incidents. They Jus Missed the opportunity of killing 300+ passengers on two of their 310's plus losing out the aircrafts. Oh poor Air Indian Pilots.... Why did U have to try.... Why didnt the nose gear break while the landing. It would make Bigger Headlines.
Sorry But I think You got my point.
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:19 am

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Reply 40):
So...
Are The AI and Indian Govt Not Gonna learn from these Incidents. They Jus Missed the opportunity of killing 300+ passengers on two of their 310's plus losing out the aircrafts. Oh poor Air Indian Pilots.... Why did U have to try.... Why didnt the nose gear break while the landing. It would make Bigger Headlines.
Sorry But I think You got my point.
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And what exactly is it that you want AI and the GoI to learn?

AI has placed an order for 60+ aircrafts more than a year back and very soon (next 2-3 years) you will see their entire fleet replaced with brand new planes.....they've been late doing it, but it's done at least......

A hydraulic failure requiring manual extension of landing gear is not something that should happen, but planes are built to be handled in such situations and the AI pilot successfully brought it down on the runway.....why the nose gear collapsed while towing, is not yet known....

Secondly, the planes involved were an A310 and a 767 leased from a British company.....not 2 A310's.....

So, don't really get the point of your post..... Confused
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:09 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 41):
AI has placed an order for 60+ aircrafts more than a year back and very soon (next 2-3 years) you will see their entire fleet replaced with brand new planes

WEL, unless the newer planes arrive, such incidents like these are very likely.
Esp with AI.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 41):
So, don't really get the point of your post.....

Let me make it simpler: For eg. Give a 20 yr old aircraft, one to AI and the other one to ... lets say SQ.....and let the two airlines run these aged aircrafts for another 10 yrs. I bet ... The one handled by AI will be the first (and maybe the only one) to encounter technical failres/snags or the like. So maintenance of aircrafts shd also be taken into account. And AI is pretty bad at that.

btw.. Let the newer aircrafts come by for AI,.... Im sure in another 10yrs of operation even these will have such failures like a broken nose, or maybe a broken tail, hand.... watever.
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:02 pm

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Reply 42):
Let me make it simpler: For eg. Give a 20 yr old aircraft, one to AI and the other one to ... lets say SQ.....and let the two airlines run these aged aircrafts for another 10 yrs. I bet ... The one handled by AI will be the first (and maybe the only one) to encounter technical failres/snags or the like. So maintenance of aircrafts shd also be taken into account. And AI is pretty bad at that.

Joy - please don't let facts, statistics and incidents come in the way of your reasoning sarcastic . Remember the cardinal rule - AI MX is second to none, and hence any such facts on incidents are purely coincidental  sarcastic .

Sorry for being sarcastic guys, but I don't agree with AI defenders constantly ignoring what's staring them in the face. We don't need excuses, we need to deal with facts, and AI does have a very bad track record with "incidents" on their aging fleet. And if it's not proper MX (and by this I mean quality and frequency of procedures as well as quality and frequency of replacing parts), what else can one point to as the reason behind the string of AI "incidents" over the past years? After all NW & AA have been operating large fleets of much older a/c without any such "incidents"...

An objective measure would be the the "incidents/aircraft/year" number for AI vs. these other legacies? Purely guessing here, I would imagine AI would be 2-3 times higher than NW or AA or BA. Is this kinds of data available somewhere?
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:06 pm

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Reply 42):
Let me make it simpler: For eg. Give a 20 yr old aircraft, one to AI and the other one to ... lets say SQ.....and let the two airlines run these aged aircrafts for another 10 yrs. I bet ... The one handled by AI will be the first (and maybe the only one) to encounter technical failres/snags or the like. So maintenance of aircrafts shd also be taken into account. And AI is pretty bad at that.

I wonder whether this is true. Someone once told me that the 747-412 leased by AI "were in a terrible situation", as SQ flew them to the max and then "got rid of them". I doubt whether AI would do worse than SQ, if it comes to a 20 yrs old airbus
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:34 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 44):
I wonder whether this is true. Someone once told me that the 747-412 leased by AI "were in a terrible situation", as SQ flew them to the max and then "got rid of them". I doubt whether AI would do worse than SQ, if it comes to a 20 yrs old airbus

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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:33 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 44):
I wonder whether this is true. Someone once told me that the 747-412 leased by AI "were in a terrible situation", as SQ flew them to the max and then "got rid of them". I doubt whether AI would do worse than SQ, if it comes to a 20 yrs old airbus

True that, some of the lesed aircraft are not in the best of shape when AI takes them - VT-AIM anyone? But I recently flew VT-AIP 'Pamba' (where on earth is Pamba?) an ex-SQ A310 and it looked in far better shape than other A310's, so what if the TV in J class didn't work!

AI needs those new planes bad, and AI has never lost a plane to mad-cap pilots or poor maintenence. I do worry about some of the budget carriers in India though, but not so much AI. It is unfortunate that the airline hasn't gotten newer aircraft, but it still does decently.
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:52 pm

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Reply 42):
WEL, unless the newer planes arrive, such incidents like these are very likely.
Esp with AI.



Quoting JoyA380B747 (Reply 42):
Let me make it simpler: For eg. Give a 20 yr old aircraft, one to AI and the other one to ... lets say SQ.....and let the two airlines run these aged aircrafts for another 10 yrs. I bet ... The one handled by AI will be the first (and maybe the only one) to encounter technical failres/snags or the like. So maintenance of aircrafts shd also be taken into account. And AI is pretty bad at that.

Has it so far been proved that the DEL incident was due to old age and/or poor maintenance of AI? If I've missed something, pls update me....else, aren't we all just jumping to conclusions....?

Quoting Nimish (Reply 43):
Sorry for being sarcastic guys, but I don't agree with AI defenders constantly ignoring what's staring them in the face. We don't need excuses, we need to deal with facts, and AI does have a very bad track record with "incidents" on their aging fleet. And if it's not proper MX (and by this I mean quality and frequency of procedures as well as quality and frequency of replacing parts), what else can one point to as the reason behind the string of AI "incidents" over the past years? After all NW & AA have been operating large fleets of much older a/c without any such "incidents"...

Yes, not too many incidents with those worthy airlines....just a couple of DC-9's ramming into fellow A320's on ground due to hydraulic failures, etc.... nothing to worry about.... sarcastic 
 
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:48 pm

See, there are incidents across the world - 'priority landings' happen every day for one problem or another, this looked worse because the nose-wheel collapsed after the plane was deboarded. If the 767 incident would have happened it would have been just a single column in papers and a brief news item on the channel, the failure of the AI ground-staff to remove the plane properly from the runway just before the morning rush hour is what made the story.
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RE: AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.

Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 37):

Where exactly is this rwy being constructed?? Is it on the opposite side of the road from where you drive into the international terminal at DEL??

If yes, How will the a/c's landing on this rwy make it to the jet bridge at the intl. terminal??? Any pics, i am trying to visualize it in my head and its not working.

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