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DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:24 am

http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/04/delta_launches.html

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/070409/116999.html

Looks like BTV, ABE and ISP to start with.

ABE - 2x Daily starting July 15 (move to 3 daily August 20)

ISP- 3 X Daily

BVT - 1 x Daily, 1 Sun-Fri

Also, a 3rd daily ALB flight.

[Edited 2007-04-09 19:28:29]
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:35 am

Break it down, build it back up! The story of DL and BOS.
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 1):
Break it down, build it back up! The story of DL and BOS.

Despite the DL-issued press release, these markets are pro-rate codeshare markets. Big Sky is the at-risk party here. They make all the market decisions, as well as schedules and local market pricing.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 1):
Break it down, build it back up! The story of DL and BOS.

That's a good point, I hope they do not back themselves in a corner giving up gates then realizing they need more gates.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 3):

That's a good point, I hope they do not back themselves in a corner giving up gates then realizing they need more gates.

Again, this is Big Sky's expansion, not Delta's.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 1):
Break it down, build it back up! The story of DL and BOS.

...and LAX, and JFK.

its a shame too. DL could be kicking butt right now out of all three cities had they not decided to break them down for Fort -lanta.

They had a great hub in LAX following the merger with WA, and even had flights to Asia. DL had a great trans-atlantic hub in JFK, but decided that it wanted to focus domestically in ATL instead, so it sent its 763s from FRA and BRU and other profiting stations in Europe to routes like ATL-SEA, ATL-SLC etc. And BOS, good ole' Boston. They build a massive, modern facility to, wait for it, pull its operations down by a significant amount. That facility wasn't cheap, they threw away money that they need NOW!

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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 1):
Break it down, build it back up! The story of DL and BOS.

More like the story of Delta and its CEOs. Grinstein is pretty much just bringing back what those spineless greedy bAstards Allen and Mullin took away from Delta.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
Grinstein is pretty much just bringing back what those spineless greedy bAstards Allen and Mullin took away from Delta.

Hopefully he doesn't pull out and realises DL has potential in BOS.

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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:11 am

Big Sky's deal is, I believe, a Pro-Rate contract, not a fee per ASM based system. This means that Big Sky must make it work on its own merit. As anyone that has dealt with small airlines knows, true pro-rate deals only work when you get a good mix of local and connect traffic. You will never make these markets work if you have a 80-90% connect market. Connect average fares, especially considering most of the traffic will be leisure to Florida, will yield $35-$55 per passenger. On a 150 mile leg (.83 block hour), the cost would be roughly $900. So they would need to sell 100% of the seats at $55 to breakeven.

Here's the big catch, the number of Destinations out of BOS for DL are quite limited when you consider almost all of the markets that Big Sky will be serving already have service via other DLC carriers to JFK, CVG, etc. CVG is 3x the size of BOS's operation. Also, in almost all cases except for Maine and some Canadian Points, you will be going backwards to go forward. ABE-BOS-MCO seems a bit odd. Hell anywhere from ABE-BOS connecting is an odd routing. And I can assure you the traffic is not there right now to support 2x ABE-BOS on local traffic only.

The other major problem is the local market, or lack there of. There used to be local flights to Boston from most of these markets 5-6 years ago, but now adays, they are non-existant. How quickly will people come back and fly to Boston? Im not sure of that answer. Boston is not the O&D magnet that Chicago or New York are.

On a completely side note, does anyone find it a little odd that a carrier from Montana now has completely seperate operations in:

BIL
CVG (At some point this summer)
MDW
BOS

They currently have 10 1900s. They just bought 10 more from Commutair. Simple questions are:

1. Where are they getting the crews from? Mesa, Pinnacle, SkyWest, everyone cant find crews.
2. How do you grow your operation by 100%-125% in 7 months and not self-implode?
3. How do you have 4 seperate operations with 4 seperate maintenance bases for only 20 aircraft and not have rediculous Mx expenses?
4. Along the same lines, how do you have a spare in each system without having a rediculous amount of wasted expenses. The risk of having a bird strike and losing a line of flying from one of these hubs for a day or two is huge.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:27 am

DL will be competing with CO on the ABE-BOS route. Should be interesting to see what happens.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 9):
DL will be competing with CO on the ABE-BOS route.

I take that back. Commutair operated AVP-ABE-BOS also with B1900s for a while but they must have recently discontinued it.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:35 am

They will, however, be competing with US on the ISP-BOS route.

I find it odd that DL won't be doing any BOS-ACK, or even to HYA and MVY. I thought ACK was a sure thing when they announced the deal with Big Sky.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 8):
Hell anywhere from ABE-BOS connecting is an odd routing.

ISP & ABE-BOS to:

BGR
YFC
YHZ
YQB
BTV*

and any other Skyteam European nonstops are the only routes that don't seem 'directionally challenged.'

*BTV is not too bad since anything southbound or trans-Atlantic makes sense. The extreme westbound itineraries originating in BTV seem better suited via JFK.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:09 am

Again....

These markets are "Delta" markets in name only. These are Big Sky markets. Big Sky reaps all the rewards and takes all the risks.

Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 8):
Here's the big catch, the number of Destinations out of BOS for DL are quite limited when you consider almost all of the markets that Big Sky will be serving already have service via other DLC carriers to JFK, CVG, etc. CVG is 3x the size of BOS's operation. Also, in almost all cases except for Maine and some Canadian Points, you will be going backwards to go forward. ABE-BOS-MCO seems a bit odd. Hell anywhere from ABE-BOS connecting is an odd routing. And I can assure you the traffic is not there right now to support 2x ABE-BOS on local traffic only.

The other major problem is the local market, or lack there of. There used to be local flights to Boston from most of these markets 5-6 years ago, but now adays, they are non-existant. How quickly will people come back and fly to Boston? Im not sure of that answer. Boston is not the O&D magnet that Chicago or New York are.

You are very correct in that Big Sky will be relying on the local markets. However all these markets are either DL or CO replacement (ABE, for example) or are markets that have historically had decent service. There is built-in demand in all of them.

One of the reasons that there is little local traffic in some of these markets anymore is that they have most recently been operated under ASM-buy deals where the major partner is looking for flow traffic and perhaps neglects the local market in terms of pricing and inventory management. I know this to be the case in a few of these markets.

Big Sky gets to set local fares which will allow it to find the sweet spot in terms of revenue. I think some of the local market sizes will increase significantly. This doesn't work for Big Sky if they don't.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:28 am

No sign of any DL international expansion from BOS ?
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:14 am

Int'l expansion would most likely start w/ the 757s which won't be available until the summer of 2008. Doesn't even mean DL will do anything then but that is the first opportunity. Summer 08 service announcements usually come in late Oct or early Nov so you have a little time to wait.

Big Sky is the risk taker here but DL will get significant benefit from having a larger scope. Remember that DL like other network airlines use a number of inventory control methods to route traffic over its network based on the greatest benefit.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:33 am

Will the DL mainline expand out of BOS again ever? they sold off 9 gates i believe at their new $500M terminal A, and i feel if massport would put customs in there, DL would go international. (that was the origional plan) any chnaces of that?
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:13 am

I suspect DL has incentives in its new contract w/ Massport to add flights, esp. int'l ones. I don't know whether Massport will give DL an FIS but I suspect DL will add int'l flights one way or the other. DL will clearly be more aggressive if they had an inhouse FIS facility.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:19 am

I'd like to see DL jump in BOS-MSY since AA has yet to resume the route. They'd do well in that market.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:26 am

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 4):
Again, this is Big Sky's expansion, not Delta's.

Not one ounce of empathy for an airline that trumpets its relationship with affiliates when it's beneficial to do so, and does its best to hide that relationship also when it's beneficial to do so. Talk about playing both ends against the middle. Not to pick specifically on Delta; they all play these reindeer games.

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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:44 am

Everybody talks about getting FIS at terminal A at Logan... where would it go? My understanding is that despite the very early plans, terminal A was not built with FIS facilities, space or gate capabilities. Correct me if I am wrong. If Massport relented on its stand for international flights in and out of Treminal A, where would FIS go and how would the gates be transformed into international arrival gates?
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 8):
1. Where are they getting the crews from? Mesa, Pinnacle, SkyWest, everyone cant find crews.

Big Sky hires a lot of crews directly out of Rocky Mountain College's flight program. I would imagine that they will start offering those pilots the opportunity to go to the Boston domicile.

Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 8):
On a completely side note, does anyone find it a little odd that a carrier from Montana now has completely seperate operations in:

On the surface it looks odd, but Big Sky has a lot of experience with this. In tha late nineties, Big Sky had a focus city at DFW, and served a bunch of routes down there in Oklahoma, New Mexico, etc. It wasn't until near the end of that operation that they actually connected it to the main operation in Billings via Denver.

Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 8):
you will be going backwards to go forward

A lot of passengers won't mind backtracking on some of these very short flights. It's the longer ones that become a problem.


One quick note about Big Sky. Having grown up around their operation a lot (my family has significant ties to the company), they have a bad habit of expanding, starting a whole bunch of new routes, finding out they underperform initially, and pulling the plug rather quickly. It has happened quite a bit on the western end of things. Not to say that they will do that here, because they are trying hard to improve in that area, but don't be surprised if some of these flights go away rather quickly.
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 10):
I take that back. Commutair operated AVP-ABE-BOS also with B1900s for a while but they must have recently discontinued it.

CO pulled out back at the end of March. I haven't seen one of their B1900's there for about a week and a half.

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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:55 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 19):

Not one ounce of empathy for an airline that trumpets its relationship with affiliates when it's beneficial to do so, and does its best to hide that relationship also when it's beneficial to do so. Talk about playing both ends against the middle. Not to pick specifically on Delta; they all play these reindeer games.

What the heck are you talking about? Reindeer games?

I don't see how Delta is trying to "hide that relationship". Delta has done nothing publicly but support this service as it's own. The press release comes from Delta and identifies the service in no way differently than it's purchased capacity. The B1900's will be painted in the new Delta livery and customers will get all the benefits and services that all other Delta and Delta Connection customers receive. The customer will not have any clue that Big Sky is at risk, as opposed to Delta.

This arrangement is simply a different sort of arrangement than Delta typically has with its Delta Connection carriers. The only other similar arrangement DL currently has is the EM2 operation in SLC. Continental has the same sort of deal with Gulfstream. UA does the same with Colgan. There are other instances as well, but this sort of pro-rate arrangement is indeed much more rare than the ASM-buy model.

There is nothing bad for anyone here. Simply two businesses trying to develop a mutually beneficial relationship that also happens to benefit some consumers.

What's the problem?
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:35 pm

You can be absolutely sure that if anything negative happened with this service...late or canceled flights, lost luggage, whatever...that Delta would be instantaneous in distancing themselves from the 'affiliate.' They would trot out the tired, old cliches like, 'Well, they are only a business affiliate for Delta and an independent company. We have no responsibility or control over problems that occur.' But just like you say, there's 'DELTA' plastered all over the press release giving the 'impression' that it's THEIR service. That is what I mean by cozying up to the relationship when it is beneficial to do so, but you can be SURE that this 'cozy relationship' would go out the door if something negative happens. The finger-pointing would begin as Delta says it's 'Their' problem (meaning the affiliate). Stupid reindeer games.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:39 pm

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 23):
What the heck are you talking about? Reindeer games?

I guess you never watched "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer"...I believe ChrisNH is using it as a euphemism...
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:01 pm

Quoting By738 (Reply 14):
No sign of any DL international expansion from BOS ?

Outside of codeshare expansion plans it appears that Delta flies whatever Jetblue flies when it comes to adding new service.. I don't see Jetblue expanding to Europe out of Boston so chances with Delta international expansion out of Bos are slim except for Caribbean...
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 25):

I guess you never watched "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer"...I believe ChrisNH is using it as a euphemism...

Please, of course I know what reindeer games are. I just thought his comment was pointless.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:59 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 24):
You can be absolutely sure that if anything negative happened with this service...late or canceled flights, lost luggage, whatever...that Delta would be instantaneous in distancing themselves from the 'affiliate.' They would trot out the tired, old cliches like, 'Well, they are only a business affiliate for Delta and an independent company. We have no responsibility or control over problems that occur.' But just like you say, there's 'DELTA' plastered all over the press release giving the 'impression' that it's THEIR service. That is what I mean by cozying up to the relationship when it is beneficial to do so, but you can be SURE that this 'cozy relationship' would go out the door if something negative happens. The finger-pointing would begin as Delta says it's 'Their' problem (meaning the affiliate). Stupid reindeer games.

Well perhaps you are correct. Who really knows until it happens. Glad to have you bring it up though, since it is so relevant to the conversation. It certainly is interesting that a couple of carriers try to do something positive for air travel in the Northeast, providing a service that few others have any interest in providing, and you latch onto the potential for some sort of PR scapegoating in the future. Even if you are right, why trot out some tired old subject that has nothing to do with the topic unless you just enjoy being negative?

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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting BN727 (Reply 26):
Outside of codeshare expansion plans it appears that Delta flies whatever Jetblue flies when it comes to adding new service.. I don't see Jetblue expanding to Europe out of Boston so chances with Delta international expansion out of Bos are slim except for Caribbean...

Pray tell then, when did JetBlue announce flights from JFK to Pisa and Bukarest, or from Atlanta to Dubai and Seoul?
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 29):
Pray tell then, when did JetBlue announce flights from JFK to Pisa and Bukarest, or from Atlanta to Dubai and Seoul

What part of europe out of "Boston" did you not get?
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:37 pm

Quoting BN727 (Reply 30):
What part of europe out of "Boston" did you not get?



Quoting BN727 (Reply 26):
Outside of codeshare expansion plans it appears that Delta flies whatever Jetblue flies when it comes to adding new service.

Where in that over-generalised comment does it say "Boston"?
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:04 pm

I'm happy to see ABE getting more routes
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:17 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 29):
Well perhaps you are correct. Who really knows until it happens. Glad to have you bring it up though, since it is so relevant to the conversation. It certainly is interesting that a couple of carriers try to do something positive for air travel in the Northeast, providing a service that few others have any interest in providing, and you latch onto the potential for some sort of PR scapegoating in the future. Even if you are right, why trot out some tired old subject that has nothing to do with the topic unless you just enjoy being negative?

Is your glass always half empty?

Simply because you made a point in response #4 to say this: "Again, this is Big Sky's expansion, not Delta's."

My reply to that is, 'Wait a minute! I see the word 'Delta' used liberally throughout this communication!'

In the end I was pointing out the two-faced nature of these 'affiliations.' On one hand it is 'convenient' to say 'Delta this' and 'Delta that.' Heck, go look at the headline in today's Boston Globe! It doesn't say 'Big Sky,' it says 'Delta!' Which contradicts your claim that this isn't Delta's expansion. Overall, this is playing with the public who largely doesn't know the difference between a 'direct flight' and a 'nonstop' one. And here Delta is, trying to confuse the issue regarding whose expansion this really is! When it comes to commercial aviation, the public is SO misguided and so confused; I was simply pointing out how THIS is a perfect example of that.

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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 33):
In the end I was pointing out the two-faced nature of these 'affiliations.' On one hand it is 'convenient' to say 'Delta this' and 'Delta that.' Heck, go look at the headline in today's Boston Globe! It doesn't say 'Big Sky,' it says 'Delta!' Which contradicts your claim that this isn't Delta's expansion. Overall, this is playing with the public who largely doesn't know the difference between a 'direct flight' and a 'nonstop' one. And here Delta is, trying to confuse the issue regarding whose expansion this really is! When it comes to commercial aviation, the public is SO misguided and so confused; I was simply pointing out how THIS is a perfect example of that.

But my point is that you are confusing what I said with what Delta says. The Big Sky comment is mine, and it is true. This is a pro-rate agreement where Big Sky assumes financial risk. Delta, however, treats the service as its own because Big Sky will operate it under the DL code with DL branding.

My point in explaining the nature of the relationship is that Delta is not making the market decisions here. The A.net crowd should be sophisticated enough to understand the difference. Some posters were clearly not aware that Big Sky is choosing these markets, not Delta. I was simply explaining how the relationship here works.

There is no confusion in the eyes of the public. In their eyes this is Delta service, just as DL wants it. However, A.netters should know the difference.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:00 am

SOME MORE INTERNATIONAL ROUTES WOULD BE NICE!!!!!!!!1

I wonder if they possibly start up

BOS-HKG
BOS-NRT
BOS-IST
BOS-MAD
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 35):
SOME MORE INTERNATIONAL ROUTES WOULD BE NICE!!!!!!!!1

I wonder if they possibly start up

BOS-HKG
BOS-NRT
BOS-IST
BOS-MAD

BOS-HKG -- check back in a few hundred years
BOS-NRT -- not if but when
BOS-IST -- not impossible but pretty unlikely
BOS-MAD -- starting in a few weeks

This is off-topic, but has anyone heard an update on Hainan's supposed BOS-PEK service? They announced it more than a year ago. Nothing seems to have come of it, and they don't have any aircraft with the legs to do it nonstop. The market is probably there, but it would be tough for them to compete with all the easy connections UA/AA/CO/AC/CA offer over ORD/IAD/EWR/YYZ/JFK.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting Chrisk (Reply 36):
Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 35):
SOME MORE INTERNATIONAL ROUTES WOULD BE NICE!!!!!!!!1

I wonder if they possibly start up

BOS-HKG
BOS-NRT
BOS-IST
BOS-MAD

BOS-HKG -- check back in a few hundred years
BOS-NRT -- not if but when
BOS-IST -- not impossible but pretty unlikely
BOS-MAD -- starting in a few weeks

This is off-topic, but has anyone heard an update on Hainan's supposed BOS-PEK service? They announced it more than a year ago. Nothing seems to have come of it, and they don't have any aircraft with the legs to do it nonstop. The market is probably there, but it would be tough for them to compete with all the easy connections UA/AA/CO/AC/CA offer over ORD/IAD/EWR/YYZ/JFK.

I would not put a BOS-HKG route as that remote. BOS has a tone of daily traffic to Asia. NRT is sure to be a route that BOS has non-stop within the next 2-3 years. BOS-HKG could be down the road after that.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting Chrisk (Reply 36):
This is off-topic, but has anyone heard an update on Hainan's supposed BOS-PEK service?

The cargo ops that were announced at the same time as the pax ops have already started. Thrice weekly on a Tradewinds 747, via ANC (I believe). Whether passenger operations do start I, personally, don't see how they'll be successful. A lot business travellers would be wary of getting on an Air China flight. They'd prefer to stick with carriers they know with good reputations to Asia. United, Northwest, Cathay Pacific, JAL, Air Canada, etc. Now here comes this airline that no one has ever heard of, who's safety record is unkown. They'll be asking themselves "What is the service like? On CX I get x, y, and z. Will I get this on Hainan or Yangtze River or whatever?"

I do think BOS-Asia is an underserved market, but I don't think you'll find Hainan filling that market. If anything, they'll get the low-yielding, VFR traffic from the Asian communties in New England.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 37):
BOS-HKG could be down the road after that.

I have to agree with Chrisk. While HKG wouldn't be impossible, you'll see IST before you see HKG. Especially once the NRT flights start. BOS-Asia is a finite market and with the fragmentation via other US/Canadian/European cities and NRT, there's your Asia market. The market for a such a long flight is not strong enough to make it viable, especially given the sad state of the economy in the Northeast right now.

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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting B752OS (Reply 37):
I would not put a BOS-HKG route as that remote. BOS has a tone of daily traffic to Asia. NRT is sure to be a route that BOS has non-stop within the next 2-3 years. BOS-HKG could be down the road after that.

Does BOS-YVR seem out of the the realm of possibility? Does AC offer this route? Or do they have to go via YYZ?
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 39):
Does BOS-YVR seem out of the the realm of possibility? Does AC offer this route?

It was a daily A320 operated by Canadian Airlines until the merger. AC continued the route, eventually dropping it down to seasonal. I believe the last year for it to operate was either 2003 or 2004. I know part of the reason to drop it was gate space. AC, with only two gates didn't have room to overnight planes from YYZ, YUL, and YVR (YHZ might also be an RON because of the time difference between BOS and YHZ). Now with AC in Terminal B and having more gates, that reasoning isn't so pertinent anymore. I heard rumours from AC employees in BOS that YVR was going to come back. That won't be happening this summer since the skeds are already loaded and with Project XM, AC will probably have at least one A319 in the hangar undergoing cabin modifications.

Also, AC is also operating under Project ETT (Everything Through Toronto). Someone's gotta fill those 800 daily flights between Toronto and Vancouver.  cheeky 

Well, as Red Sox fans know how to say all to well, "there's always next year".

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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:39 am

The only European route I see Delta expanding to out of Boston is BOS-LGW and BOS-CDG, like they had a few years back with 763's.
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 41):
The only European route I see Delta expanding to out of Boston is BOS-LGW and BOS-CDG, like they had a few years back with 763's.

What about BOS-EDI to complement ATL
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 42):
What about BOS-EDI to complement ATL

Highly unlikely IMO.
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:16 am

A little off subject...

how is atl-edi doing? DL is always pushing deals on the route and makes me believe it's not doing well. I'm looking at going atl-edi in a months time and the plane is empty.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 43):

Would seem a reasonable route. WIth GLA-BOS with Globespan, and a complementing EWR service at GLA and EDI- EDI could surely manage BOS and if DL are impressed with their ATL loads they might wish to expand. An internationally configured 757 would be ideal.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:33 am

I may start a separate thread about this but speaking of BOS . . .

I just found out today that I am flying there and back on Thursday April 12th from PIT and you would not believe how hard it is to find a flight back. US has a couple seats but they are real pricey for late in the evening.

Early this morning I looked at seats on B6 and there were flights available connecting through JFK, but by early afternoon they had no seats left except a 1pm non-stop to PIT. I then checked AirTran from BOS-PIT and there were zero seats available, I finally got a seat on AirTran from BOS-CAK. It was business class and was the last seat.

Interesting though that it was only $124 on US from PIT-BOS and then $241 on FL on the way back. Not sure if it is just cause of spring break or not but maybe DL should do BOS-PIT.
 
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 45):
Would seem a reasonable route. WIth GLA-BOS with Globespan, and a complementing EWR service at GLA and EDI- EDI could surely manage BOS and if DL are impressed with their ATL loads they might wish to expand. An internationally configured 757 would be ideal.

Seriously, you'll see JFK-EDI before BOS.
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:14 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 45):
Would seem a reasonable route. WIth GLA-BOS with Globespan, and a complementing EWR service at GLA and EDI- EDI could surely manage BOS and if DL are impressed with their ATL loads they might wish to expand. An internationally configured 757 would be ideal.

GSM's service is exactly why I feel EDI-BOS wouldnt work. The Scotland-BOS market isnt that big and GSM's new service will cover the Scotland-BOS market in my opinion. I think there are some banking ties between Edinburgh and the Boston area but I doubt these could support an EDI-BOS service in competition with GSM's GLA-BOS

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 47):
Seriously, you'll see JFK-EDI before BOS.

That would be interesting. DL would be up against CO's double daily EWR-EDI
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RE: DL To Add New Routes Out Of BOS

Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 47):
Seriously, you'll see JFK-EDI before BOS.

Mmmm, I guess thats a long way off then, almost improbable- cant see them going against CO.

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