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What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:00 am

Yesterday my girlfriend was supposed to fly from IAH to LBB on Continental Express. She ended up giving up her seat on the last flight of the night for a $500 voucher, but made the comment that there were a lot of Continental Express flights delayed extensively around her yet there were no weather issues around Houston. So today I started to pay attention to the Continental Express operations out of IAH, and have noticed that every single Chautauqua flight that I can find in system today has left with a delay of 45 min to 3+ hours while the ExpressJet flights are all running on-time. I know that Chautauqua has just recently taken over a larger part of the operations at IAH, but what is causing these ridiculous wide spread lengthy delays? And how long do you think it will take them to work out these delays or will Chautauqua at Houston be something to avoid over the long term?
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:42 am

This is just a theory...

I believe the weather in LBB and AMA yesterday required alternate airports/fuel to be loaded, and therefore a reduction in capacity. I bet everything was booked full and it took a long time to seek out volunteers, and the added factor of the B84 ramp operation just compounded the delays. That would explain the 45 minute delays. I don't know what to tell you about the 3 hr delays. I flew the morning IAH-IND and we went out 5 minutes late as they had to come out to the plane for volunteers. We went out with 50 people and a jumpseater. Sorry we've made a bad first impression for you. I hope things get better.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:53 am

Immediate notions from CO is their complete disappointment with the Chatuaqua end of ops yet to date. I was at an aviation seminar/conference/recruit just about a month ago and spent some time at the CO desk and talking with them since one of their reps use to be a flight student of mine years ago, and we were talking for almost an hour and the new Express operation came up, and their immediate comment, they didn't know what they had til they lost it and have dreaded the Chatauqua ops since they've taken over from Express. They mentioned in all aspects, the feedback they've gotten is overwhelming, people not only writing about the delays, but the a/c comfort to a/c type to the "little" sandwiches that the other Express company has on their flights, so you can see, these are from the view of the everyday pax and not the person that flies 100,000 miles a year. They don't know why since Chatauqua operates the ERj throughout their system that the decision was made to switch over to the CRj because right there, the flying public hates these a/c and you are just set up for failure, but most likely was the overabundance and immediate availability of the CRj in storage.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:57 am

Other than the fact that they serve pretzels while DL serves a basket on short flights.. which is a tiny thing, ExpressJet was the best regional. It really gave me a good impression of Continental, and their reputation will continue to suffer with the choice of CHQ.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:04 pm

What routes are Chautauqua CRJ's being used? So far, DAL (which I frequent 3 times monthly) is still ERJ. Frankly, I am hoping that it remains this way.

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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:08 pm

I was in LBB over Easter and it was a blizzard on Saturday. When I left on Sunday it was still cold and snow on the ground but last night it went below freezing so that might have been a factor.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:13 pm

Current CHQ cities, not served exclusively by CHQ but they have flights there:
From IAH
AEX, AMA, ATL, BRO, BTR, CAE, CMH, COS, DED, ELP, HRL, GSO, IND, JAX, LBB, MAF, MCI, MFE, MOB, MSP, OKC, PNS, ORF, RIC, SDF, STL, TUL, TUS, VPS, CRP, RSW. from CLE- DFW, JAX, LGA, ORD, PBI, PVD, SDF


For what its worth, Expressjet has been doing extra sections to make up for all of the weight restrictions that CHQ is having.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:27 pm

Here's one that kept close to schedule: CHQ 3262, IAH-GSO. Arrived a little early, even. I hope it keeps up the good work, as I'm booked on it later this week...

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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:55 pm

Quoting Maury (Reply 7):
Here's one that kept close to schedule: CHQ 3262, IAH-GSO. Arrived a little early, even. I hope it keeps up the good work, as I'm booked on it later this week

I hear that GSO-IAH goes out weight restricted to 35 nearly every day, hopefully you get on
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:55 pm

It certainly was not just AMA and LBB today, here is a list of all the significant gate departure delays on 4/9 from IAH on Chautauqua.

AEX: 3441 - 45 min late

AMA: 3403 - 48 min late

BRO: 3410 - 79 min late

CAE: 3393 - 70 min late
3412 - 110 min late

CMH: 3286 - 113 min late
3267 - 50 min late

COS: 3281 - 97 min late
3284 - 103 min late

ELP: 3267 - 159 min late

GSO: 3264 - 85 min late

LBB: 3295 - 195 min late

MAF: 3273 - 60 min late

MCI: 3294 - 80 min late
3389 - 25 min late

MFE: 3401 - 30 min late

MOB: 3398 - 37 min late

PNS: 3265 - 124 min late

SDF - 3301 - 261 min late

STL: 3402 - 50 min late
3400 - 30 min late

CRP - 3278 - 132 min late
3395 - 53 min late

It seemed today that just a rather estimative count that about 1/3 of Chautauqua's flights from IAH today had a delay of greater than half and hour with no weather issues. I wonder if they have bitten off more than they can chew with these Continental Express routes from Houston.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:44 pm

Just a question. Why was Air Wisconsin not invited to bid on this flying when CO issued the RFP on this? It seems like CO didn't give a lot of airlines a fair chance to bid on this work, and now its biting them in the rear. Not saying they wouldn't have gone with Chautauqua anyways, but I can't believe that Air Wisconsin, who is desperate to grow and has a good reputation, wasn't allowed to bid.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:06 pm

I booked two R/T reward tickets for me and my wife, CMH-IAH-LAS-IAH-CMH on June 10 and June 16. I got an email last week with a schedule change.

I got the dreaded news: CHQ operating flight 3263 CMH-IAH.  Angry I'm no longer Elite because two small sons have meant that I now work in my own city, so I know my business doesn't count for much anymore. But... I absolutely hate the CRJ-200. It's a miserable airplane and I can't believe that I have a 2hr 48m block time flight on it. I can't tell you how much this reduces my anticipation of this trip. Since I haven't flown for nearly a year now, I've got the shakes, but my excitement is definitely subdued considerably when the itinerary says "CRJ-200" and "operated by Chautauqua."

There isn't much possiblity that CHQ could be as good as ExpressJet because ExpressJet was so good. It seems there is little possibility that CHQ can be *nearly* as good as ExpressJet. But I guess this doesn't surprise any of *us* one little bit, even if it surprises our favorite airline. Maybe they should have asked around and found out before they inked the deal with those turkeys. ExpressJet is a real airline.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting AA 737-800 (Thread starter):
I know that Chautauqua has just recently taken over a larger part of the operations at IAH, but what is causing these ridiculous wide spread lengthy delays? And how long do you think it will take them to work out these delays or will Chautauqua at Houston be something to avoid over the long term?



Quoting Loggat (Reply 1):
I know that Chautauqua has just recently taken over a larger part of the operations at IAH, but what is causing these ridiculous wide spread lengthy delays? And how long do you think it will take them to work out these delays or will Chautauqua at Houston be something to avoid over the long term?

Well, I dispatched CO on Friday, and I'm not the only one who usually avoids that desk. But we feel we're doing better (at least from our end) than what we were doing over a month ago.

As for these next two posts . . .

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 2):
They don't know why since Chatauqua operates the ERj throughout their system that the decision was made to switch over to the CRj because right there

Personally, I like the ERJ a lot more myself.

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 11):
I absolutely hate the CRJ-200.

 ziplip  I could say something more, but I'll just refer to my previous remark.

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 2):
most likely was the overabundance and immediate availability of the CRj in storage.

 checkmark  IMO.

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 3):
ExpressJet was the best regional.

Never got to fly them myself. After flying on ACA, RP, Shuttle and Skywest, I figured all of them are pretty much the same (as far as cabin service - never had much of an issue w/being OT).

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 3):
their reputation will continue to suffer with the choice of CHQ.

Well, maybe we can change that. That's the goal, at least.

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):
What routes are Chautauqua CRJ's being used?

A lot more coming than I've been told. It's an ongoing thing, I believe.

Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 6):
For what its worth, Expressjet has been doing extra sections to make up for all of the weight restrictions that CHQ is having.

There have been some weight restricted flights, but not so many. I'm looking at Dispatch Monitor right now (the program that allows us to build our releases), and, I can assure you, whatever Express has to cover, it's probably not a whole lot.

Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 8):
I hear that GSO-IAH goes out weight restricted to 35 nearly every day, hopefully you get on

Really?? Hmm. You're off by a couple of handfuls from today's flights.

Working with the CRJ has been challenging, but not impossible. Personally, I'd prefer the ERJ every time, but we have the CRJ's now, too, so we're trying to make do and get accustomed to a new operation. You have to realize we're getting accustomed on all fronts (more a/c - which means getting more dispatchers trained and crews, for example). No excuses, though. And I can only speak from the SOC side of it, not management/station/crew sides. Who knows what the higher ups are thinking, the stations are learning new meanings of patience, I know, and the crews are busting their butts (I trust) to get flights OT or close enough to it.

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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:07 pm

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 11):
Maybe they should have asked around and found out before they inked the deal with those turkeys.

 rotfl . Well, I don't gobble, gobble when I check the weather for an alternate and, although I'm kinda fit and robust, I'm sure I don't taste that good.

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 11):
I booked two R/T reward tickets for me and my wife, CMH-IAH-LAS-IAH-CMH on June 10 and June 16.

I hope your trip goes well.

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 11):
ExpressJet is a real airline.

Well, good for them then, dude. I hope they keep doing well.

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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:18 pm

Are there large delays on flights arriving IAH or only departing? I might be on the CRJ to from SRQ, and want to know a safe connection time on the SRQ-IAH sector so I don't miss the LAX connection.

And yes, unfortunately, rather than going to the much needed 735 to SRQ, they went to the CRJ. Maybe they'll switch to the 735 come fall...
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:46 pm

how is it that the IAH-GSO leg is weight restricted so heavily? are there problems with their a/c because other flights on other airlines fly stage lenghts much greater than IAH-GSO and I haven't heard of such weight restrictions as noted above that the flight is usually limited to 35pax
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Are there large delays on flights arriving IAH or only departing?

Sorry I did not qualify those numbers. Those are all times late pulling away from the gate at IAH according to Continental's website.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:47 am

If my flight is weight-restricted, but I checked in early and had a salad for lunch, will I get on?

Seriously, ugh...there are enough things to worry about when travelling; now add "oops, too far in too small a plane, y'all need to get off." I just printed my boarding passes for the outbound trip and I'm in "sequence 3" and not sure what that means (boarding order?) but..fingers crossed. Not that I mind hanging around IAH, but I'd like to get my 2+ hours in a CRJ behind me as soon as possible, ya know?
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting AA 737-800 (Reply 16):
Sorry I did not qualify those numbers. Those are all times late pulling away from the gate at IAH according to Continental's website.

Yes, I know.

It's why I asked about arrivals...

So, anyone, how are IAH arrivals doing?
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 12):
Personally, I like the ERJ a lot more myself.

As do I. Maybe its my imagination, but the ERJ seems to produce a much smoother ride than does the CRJ.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:25 am

If CAL continues this march towards CRJ200's, they can mark my business off the list.

I think they are sitting at a pivotal point in their history. In my humble opinion, they are going to have to address the 100 seat airliner with their pilots. As small airports start seeing the return of jets with First Class seats available...ticket purchases, including mine, will be driven that direction.

Additionally, they MUST address this CRJ issue. If they want the "premium" customer, they are going to need to give a "premium" experience. A CRJ200 "rat jet" is not going to cut it.

My 2 cents.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:40 am

I personally prefer the CRJ to the ERJ as its a far more comfortable airplane and has better engines. That being said though, Chautauqua has always been exclusively an ERJ operator, and Continental Express has always been an ERJ provider. My question is this, when Chautauqua got the contract, why did they all of a sudden go away from ERJ's and start flying CRJ's? I asked earlier why Air Wisconsin and Skywest and those boys didn't get to bid on the RFP, and I think it was because they didn't operate the ERJ. Now that you have to operate CRJ's, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose. And going with an airline that has a notorious problem with Crew Shortages (Their US numbers on the 170 in PHL are horrible for example), when there are other airlines out there that can do the job for about the same cost, and better.

Judging from these posts, it seems the stage lengths that the CRJ's are being used for are way too long. IAH-GSO in a CRJ? IAH-ORF? I don't know what Chautauqua is using for reserve fuel on the CRJ, but I can tell you that most times on the CRJ, if you need an alternate that is more than 100 nm away from your destination, you are bumping passengers. If the Bombardier engineers would come up with a way to make the max landing weight 48,000 lbs instead of 47,000 lbs, weight restrictions on this airplane would not nearly be the problem that they are. I guess thats what happens when you make try to turn a corporate jet into a passenger jet. And westbound, if there are strong headwinds, you could be taking off overweight.

I still don't see how anyone can like the one seat on the left side of the ERJ. To me this seat is so uncomfortable, I will take the CRJ seat everytime. I don't like having to put my feet in the aisle to get comfortable and I don't like blocking the galley cart, which I do on the ERJ, but not the CRJ.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:07 am

I flew on a CHQ operated JAX-IAH flight last Feb... and it was the FIRST AND LAST time I fly with CHQ.... not only are their planes falling apart, the service is WAY below CO's standards (or ExpressJet), and also, having to arrive to a remote gate which is already an inconvenience, we had to wait for a bus, and once inside the bus, we had to wait for another 20 minutes because the bus couldn't move until another CRJ200 that had arrive was waiting for someone to guide the aircraft into its "gate" thus blocking the designed road for the bus.... So in the end, it was a horrible flight, horrible service, horrible ground ops.... CO really messed up letting Exjet go... CO made a terrible choice... Now I will avoid the CRJ200s operated by CHQ.... the only good thing I can say is that I finally flew on one (CRJ200), although a bad experience....
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:08 am

I have never flown CHQ before, but know others who have and refuse to! I have flown on a CRJ and hated it! I do have some business in Cincinati coming up in August. Is CHQ handling that flight from IAH now??? If they are, we will be looking for someone else to fly with.

Why did CO screw this deal up? As a regular joe passanger, I would have paid an extra $5.00 to $10.00 a ticket to stay with XJT! CO Express was always a little more on the trips up north, but I was willing to pay it. Every trip to Cincinatti and Inianapolis was full when I was flying..

I think CO better start dialing up XJT asap!
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting XJETFlyer (Reply 23):
I have never flown CHQ before, but know others who have and refuse to! I have flown on a CRJ and hated it! I do have some business in Cincinati coming up in August. Is CHQ handling that flight from IAH now??? If they are, we will be looking for someone else to fly with

You don't really have much choice into CVG, unless you fly Delta, since almost all non delta flights are on RJ's, and of the RJ operators in that airport, only American Eagle flies ERJ's, but they may even fly with CRJ 700's. And I believe the Delta flights may also be CRJ's now out of IAH, with the scaleback in CVG unless you want to go through ATL.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 21):
I personally prefer the CRJ to the ERJ as its a far more comfortable airplane and has better engines.

Could you please tell us how the CRJ-200 has better engines than the EMB-145XRs that were previously flying these routes?

We're waiting.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 25):
Could you please tell us how the CRJ-200 has better engines than the EMB-145XRs that were previously flying these routes?

We're waiting.

Gladly, I said it and will back it up.

The GE CF34-3B1's found on the CRJ-200 provides a bypass ratio of 6.5 to 1, the maxmimum power is 9,220 lbs at sea level. In contrast the Rolls Royce Engines found on the ERJ's only provide a bypass ratio of 5 to 1, and its maximum power at sea level isn't even 9,000 lbs.(Which I believe is the flat rating, higher on the CRJ than the ERJ) And I am pretty sure the CRJs engines are more fuel efficient than the ERJ. This information comes straight from both manufacturers web sites.

Additionally the range on the CRJ 200LR is listed as comporable to that of the EMB-145XR. (Which makes me wonder if Chautauqua is running the ER variation, which has a somewhat shorter range) One difference I did notice, is that the CRJ's max landing weight is 3,000 lbs higher than the ERJ. The ERJ has a max landing weight of 44,000 lbs, while the CRJ's max landing weight is 47,000 lbs. This means that theoreticaly the CRJ should be able to take more passengers and payload than the ERJ, since the max takeoff weights and fuel capacity are nearly the same.

One other thing I found interesting. The seat width on a CRJ is 20 inches. The seat width on an ERJ is only 17.3 inches. The seat pitch and recline are identical. I still don't see why people find the ERJ so much more comfortable than the CRJ when I don't and the numbers say otherwise.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 24):
You don't really have much choice into CVG, unless you fly Delta, since almost all non delta flights are on RJ's, and of the RJ operators in that airport, only American Eagle flies ERJ's, but they may even fly with CRJ 700's. And I believe the Delta flights may also be CRJ's now out of IAH, with the scaleback in CVG unless you want to go through ATL.

ExpressJet still serves CVG from IAH and EWR (and I believe CLE). Even though Chautauqua serves these routes, many of the routes are not exclusively theirs. My suggestion is to check the flights on Continental's website, since they let you know who's operating the flight.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:31 am

Just a few tidbis to add. I like many hate flying on the CRJ and find the E-145 much more comfortable and passenger friendly, and don't even get me started on the windows. But I did walk onboard a CHQ CRJ, and probably as comfortable looking as a CRJ can be. It has the much more comfortable ex Indy Air seats, that where just re-uplostered with that new car, new leather smell and generally a fresh looking cabin !


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On another note quite a few of the CO-EX markets CHQ is flying out of IAH are now being flown by CHQ E-145's, recently transferred from US Express, which to the best of my knowledge have an indentical seats and interiors as the ExpressJet 145's.

I have never flown on ExpressJet but I understand as far as regionals go they are top notch. I have flown about 10 legs on CHQ E-145's operating for US Express and the friendliness and proffesionalism of their crews in my view get top marks. They seem to be several levels above many of the Express carriers at US. I think in time CO and their customers will be a lot less unhappy with CHQ than they are so far. Not to critize CO but I think part of the weight restriction issues are using CRJ's on markets previously flown by E-145XR's that can probably carry more payload on longer routes. Routes just not suited for a CRJ-200.

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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:06 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 26):
The GE CF34-3B1's found on the CRJ-200 provides a bypass ratio of 6.5 to 1, the maxmimum power is 9,220 lbs at sea level. In contrast the Rolls Royce Engines found on the ERJ's only provide a bypass ratio of 5 to 1, and its maximum power at sea level isn't even 9,000 lbs.(Which I believe is the flat rating, higher on the CRJ than the ERJ) And I am pretty sure the CRJs engines are more fuel efficient than the ERJ. This information comes straight from both manufacturers web sites.

Additionally the range on the CRJ 200LR is listed as comporable to that of the EMB-145XR. (Which makes me wonder if Chautauqua is running the ER variation, which has a somewhat shorter range) One difference I did notice, is that the CRJ's max landing weight is 3,000 lbs higher than the ERJ. The ERJ has a max landing weight of 44,000 lbs, while the CRJ's max landing weight is 47,000 lbs. This means that theoreticaly the CRJ should be able to take more passengers and payload than the ERJ, since the max takeoff weights and fuel capacity are nearly the same.

One other thing I found interesting. The seat width on a CRJ is 20 inches. The seat width on an ERJ is only 17.3 inches. The seat pitch and recline are identical. I still don't see why people find the ERJ so much more comfortable than the CRJ when I don't and the numbers say otherwise.

The fact that the CF34 makes more thrust than the AE3007 is because the CRJ is a heavier airplane. It's BOW is about 2000lbs more than an ERJ. The CF34 is more fuel efficient than the AE3007 in the higher altitudes, but the CRJ has a hard time getting to the higher altitudes, whereas the ERJ can easily hold 1000 FPM all the way to it's service ceiling of 37000ft. This means that the only flights that the CRJ is more fuel efficient is on the longer flights.

The LR version of each plane has a fuel capacity difference of about 3000lbs. The ERJ can hold 11.5, and the CRJ can hold 14.5 (I think).

The seats on the CRJ can be no where near 20 inches.

I realize you work for AWAC and are biased toward the CRJ. Likewise, I work for RAH, and am probably biased toward the ERJ. I don't want to comment anymore on operational performance for CAL, but I have personally spoken with one of CAL's higher ups who came out to our airplane after a catering truck incident. I asked him how badly we were doing, and he said we're doing as well as could be expected.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:43 am

Quoting Loggat (Reply 29):
The seats on the CRJ can be no where near 20 inches.

That came from the AWAC website, and after posting it, I did some more research. If it was 20 inches, then the CRJ would be all first class seats, which is obviously not true. I think more realistically the CRJ seat width is about 17.8 inches, which would be in line with Boeing and Airbus products, but the seats are a tad smaller. Still, the CRJ provides the advantage of Gate Checked bags, something the Boeing and AIrbus products don't.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:59 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 30):
Still, the CRJ provides the advantage of Gate Checked bags, something the Boeing and AIrbus products don't.

Having tiny overhead bins is not something I would call an advantagen for either the CRJ or ERJ.

The CRJ, while a decent aircraft, is considered by many to be inferior to the ERJ. I would love to see CHQ attempt YYZ-IAH with a full load of pax and bags with the CRJ. Can't be done. With the XRJ, it is done daily.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:10 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 26):
The GE CF34-3B1's found on the CRJ-200 provides a bypass ratio of 6.5 to 1, the maxmimum power is 9,220 lbs at sea level. In contrast the Rolls Royce Engines found on the ERJ's only provide a bypass ratio of 5 to 1, and its maximum power at sea level isn't even 9,000 lbs.(Which I believe is the flat rating, higher on the CRJ than the ERJ) And I am pretty sure the CRJs engines are more fuel efficient than the ERJ. This information comes straight from both manufacturers web sites.

At first I was going to go upstairs and break open my EMB-145 volume II and check some stats.

I thought about it more and concluded that none of it matters at all when you're standing at the gate being told you and five other people can't get on the flight because it is weight restricted, when in the past this flight was never ever weight restricted.

It's not CHQ's fault as much as it is CAL's though -- CHQ needs to get on their case about being assigned realistic missions for the CRJ-200. If they can't then CAL needs to have those routes flown by a plane that can do it: EMB-145XR worked just fine.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:26 pm

Quoting Atnight (Reply 22):
and also, having to arrive to a remote gate which is already an inconvenience, we had to wait for a bus, and once inside the bus, we had to wait for another 20 minutes because the bus couldn't move until another CRJ200 that had arrive was waiting for someone to guide the aircraft into its "gate" thus blocking the designed road for the bus....

I'd like some clarification on this issue. Perhaps Allstarflyer can help us here.

Do all of the CHQ-operated flights use a remote gate and require bussing to the terminal? The reason I ask is that my connection is only about 75 minutes, and chewing up some of that by having to bus from a remote stand only intensifies time pressures if the flight gets delayed.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 26):
The GE CF34-3B1's found on the CRJ-200 provides a bypass ratio of 6.5 to 1, the maxmimum power is 9,220 lbs at sea level. In contrast the Rolls Royce Engines found on the ERJ's only provide a bypass ratio of 5 to 1, and its maximum power at sea level isn't even 9,000 lbs.

True, the thrust output of the AE3007A1E engine on the ERJ is slightly less. It is 8810, which is 4.6% less than the CRJ yet the airplane is lighter.

Thrust per pound, these models of CRJs and ERJs are about even.

Quoting Loggat (Reply 29):
The LR version of each plane has a fuel capacity difference of about 3000lbs. The ERJ can hold 11.5, and the CRJ can hold 14.5 (I think).

The EMB-145XR can carry 13298 pounds of fuel.

Additionally, all ERJs being discussed have FADEC, something the CRJ-200 does not have.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 30):
Still, the CRJ provides the advantage of Gate Checked bags, something the Boeing and AIrbus products don't.

I agree with Drewwright; there is no advantage to gate checked bags and the aircraft doesn't have anything to do with it.

People would not have to gate check bags if the overheads were large enough. The RJs are smaller, so gate checking is necessary.

The only reason there is no gate checking on the Boeing and Airbus planes is that 99% of the time there is enough space for everyone's carry on thus eliminating the need for gate check. If you need evidence, strollers are gate checked all the time on Boeing and Airbus planes. It's the airline's lack of need to bring stuff up to the jetway that elimates the option. Strollers and crew bags are the exception.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:57 pm

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 32):
It's not CHQ's fault as much as it is CAL's though -- CHQ needs to get on their case about being assigned realistic missions for the CRJ-200. If they can't then CAL needs to have those routes flown by a plane that can do it: EMB-145XR worked just fine

This isn't just a CO problem. This is a problem with just about every operator of the type. We have been saying for months that we should not be flying CRJ-200's between PHL and either MCI or MSP, yet US continues to have us do it, and the flights are often weight restricted, and in some cases, we will have to make a fuel stop somewhere if we want to get everyone on, but with all the tight turns built into the schedule, we can't do that unless the plane is an RON in either location. In fact, often times I have to weight restrict flights from PHL to YOW or YUL. The problem here is the closest alternate we have available is BTV, if that goes down, the next closest is ALB, 162 miles from YUL, meaning weight restriction. And as I said in another forum, CRJ's into EYW, absolutely moronic. Who is the braintrust at these airlines making these decisions anyways.

One other thought. Which ERJ's is Express Jet using for their standalone service, and which ones are the using for Delta? If these are all the XR's, then what can CO do about it. If it wasn't, then maybe there are more routes for XR's than CO has planes to fly them.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 36):
One other thought. Which ERJ's is Express Jet using for their standalone service, and which ones are the using for Delta? If these are all the XR's, then what can CO do about it. If it wasn't, then maybe there are more routes for XR's than CO has planes to fly them

Expressjet is going to use 10 XR's for Delta, and a mix of XR's and LR's for the Branded flying and Charter Op's. On a side note Expressjet got approval for approximately 1300lbs more to the takeoff weight (and Zero Fuel Weight, I believe) on the LR's.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:47 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 24):

You don't really have much choice into CVG, unless you fly Delta, since almost all non delta flights are on RJ's, and of the RJ operators in that airport, only American Eagle flies ERJ's, but they may even fly with CRJ 700's. And I believe the Delta flights may also be CRJ's now out of IAH, with the scaleback in CVG unless you want to go through ATL.

Chautauqua operates nearly 100 daily flights at CVG with ERJs exclusively, many cities now being ERJ cities exclusively. DL has diversified its ops at CVG quite a bit, and this summer will introduce ERJ-170 and CRJ-900 service from CVG to DEN, MSP, DFW, IND, and TPA.

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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:04 pm

Quoting Jumbojettim (Reply 37):
Expressjet is going to use 10 XR's for Delta, and a mix of XR's and LR's for the Branded flying and Charter Op's. On a side note Expressjet got approval for approximately 1300lbs more to the takeoff weight (and Zero Fuel Weight, I believe) on the LR's.

100% of the branded flying is EMB-145XR.
100% of the Delta LAX flying is EMB-145XR.
100% of the charter flying is EMB-145XR.

There are also more XRs left flying as Continental Express, though I don't remember how many. Total number of XRs is 100 or more so it leaves at least 30.

The LR modification increases the maximum gross landing weight (MGLW) which is often the limiting takeoff weight on short segments. The current number is 42549 and the 1300 additional pounds allowed at touchdown will help immensely; 95% of the LR weight restrictions will disappear.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:27 pm

Apodino - this was a first ever reading a comment that a pax preferred the CRj vs. the ERj. I have to disagree with you though about the stats and performance specs when comparing the a/c and some of those routes. Although I'll be honest that I have no info readily available to back it up, I was asking a friend who flies with CoEx and he said they've rarely had problems flying those routes out of IAH on the ERj. He mentioned that to his knowledge the routes out of IAH that faced some restrictions were IAH-BOI, YYZ-IAH and occasionally the past BFL flights when weather would move in and effect BFL minimums. And you're telling me that the CRj will face operating limitations and weight restrictions, I have never heard this of the CRj so I am interested in what you are mentioning about fligths out of PHL and having to divert to destinations like MSP and MCI because those stage lengths are shorter then some of the PHX CRj stage lengths.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:13 am

Just out of interest, does anyone know what weights CoEx uses for their operations?

Specifically:
MZFW of an LR
Pax weight (summer/winter)
Child weight (summer/winter)
Planeside carryon
Checked bag

Also, how much fuel do your dispatchers typically plan for you to land with?
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 39):
100% of the branded flying is EMB-145XR.
100% of the Delta LAX flying is EMB-145XR.
100% of the charter flying is EMB-145XR.

Check your numbers...Jumbojetjim is correct. The only operation getting all XR is the DL ops.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting Loggat (Reply 41):
Just out of interest, does anyone know what weights CoEx uses for their operations?

Specifically:
MZFW of an LR

39462

Pax weight (summer/winter)

184/189

Child weight (summer/winter)

76/81

Planeside carryon

20

Checked bag

30

Also, how much fuel do your dispatchers typically plan for you to land with?

2300-2700 most of the time but it depends on how experienced the captain is and the weather.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 39):
100% of the branded flying is EMB-145XR.
100% of the Delta LAX flying is EMB-145XR.
100% of the charter flying is EMB-145XR.

There's a small correction here. Remember the 69 airplanes are a mix of LR's and XR's. I believe the branded flying has a mix of both. I've seen some LR's in the Aquafresh colors.


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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 44):
There's a small correction here. Remember the 69 airplanes are a mix of LR's and XR's. I believe the branded flying has a mix of both. I've seen some LR's in the Aquafresh colors.

I thought it sounded a bit disproportionate when I was told all 69 were XRs.

For sure though, all Delta planes at LAX will be XRs, and a large number of the branded planes are too.
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:50 am

Thanks GoBoeing.

Does your passenger weight include all carry-ons taken inside the plane?

At CHQ, our weights are 190/195 for adults, and 82/87 for children. Planeside carryons are 30lbs.

Most of our BOW's are 27,700 and above. Our most common limit is ZFW. With an alternate listed, it's always MLW + burn.

Seems like you guys can take more people/bags just on the fact they lose 6 lbs when they get on your plane, compared to ours.

I wish we had the XR's. That's a problem fixing airplane right there.
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 26):
(Which makes me wonder if Chautauqua is running the ER variation, which has a somewhat shorter range)

Not too familiar with the XR's, but CHQ has the LR's, ER's and MP's on the E145.

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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 33):



Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 33):
Do all of the CHQ-operated flights use a remote gate and require bussing to the terminal? The reason I ask is that my connection is only about 75 minutes, and chewing up some of that by having to bus from a remote stand only intensifies time pressures if the flight gets delayed.

Yes all of the CHQ flights are going out of the hardstands...you should be fine with a 75 minute connection.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 36):
One other thought. Which ERJ's is Express Jet using for their standalone service, and which ones are the using for Delta? If these are all the XR's, then what can CO do about it. If it wasn't, then maybe there are more routes for XR's than CO has planes to fly them.

I think the number of XRs is around 44 being removed from the CAL CPA the rest are LRs, in both cases its the 44 newest XRs and 25 newest LRs....
 
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RE: What Is Going On With Chautauqua At IAH?

Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting Maury (Reply 17):
I just printed my boarding passes for the outbound trip and I'm in "sequence 3" and not sure what that means (boarding order?) but..fingers crossed.

"Sequence 3" means you were the third person to check in for the flight. For instance, I just finished a trip where, on my four flights, I was 7, 1, 2, and 4 originally. When I stood by on an earlier connection IAH-LAS, and successfully got on, that "1" suddenly turned to a 222. Hope that helps!
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