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Irish 18/07, Checks Complete And Ready To Roll!

Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:54 am

Here we folks, another smorgasbord of Irish aviation to feed on!

Thanks everyone - regulars and visitors - for making these threads such a pleasant experience. It's nice to see that out of the 50,000+ members of A.net, we have a good Irish contingent. So, here goes No. 18.

Can't say there's been an awful lot happening in three days, so over to you ...
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:17 am

Just saw this on another thread, though it would be a nice way to start this thread off.


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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:18 am

Have to say Im pleasantly surprised, thats really unique.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:25 am

I'm trying to decide weather I like it or not, I like the AerArann.com on the engine. I agree with you though, it certainly is unique.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:27 am

The current livery is soooooo average, that new version is spot on. Kudos to Mr Arann for that one.

[Edited 2007-04-11 19:32:26]
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:29 am

I really like it, As smokeyrosco said, I like the AerArann.com on the engines too.

I wonder is this the new RE logo??

The colours chosen are an exact match of the RE navy and Blue,

And the three circles could be a modern shamrock??

So maybe it is the new RE logo, as it might not be a promotional one, as it seems to suit RE perfectly!!!

Any Thoughts???
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:40 am

Guess we'll know when we see no.2 in a couple of weeks.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:57 am

Nice to see RE's recent ad campaign taking on FR on DUB-ORK. RE has really developed into a significantly sized operation. Great to see and long may the growth continue
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:05 am

The new a/c doesnt have the 2 curves after the logo, which are seen on all there other aircraft.



So this could be more evidence of a new logo being incorporated.

And the brown/orange is the exact same shade as AerAran Islands logo!

[Edited 2007-04-11 20:27:31]
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:29 am

Really like that livery on the new ATR72. Definitely a modern twist!!
Next: (EI)DUB-ORD-DUB, DUB-EWR-IAH-DFW-MSY-AUS-AMA-DEN-EWR-DUB
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:04 am

That's a very nice livery, possibly a modern twist on this:


This is the first of many new Irish aircraft to come from France for both RE and EI!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:13 am

I like it; anyone know what registration it's going to be assigned - I see they don't even have the full French registration on that one!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:17 am

EI-REL I think, it's the only one due for May.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:24 am

HUGE News ... FR looking at transatlantic no frills ... fleet of 50 A350s or 787s !

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ills-airline-with-fleet-of-50.html

Aer Lingus is NOT going to like this. I can see EI's share price going a bit south after this. Basically, Ryanair is looking to launch a new transatlantic service, although not just from Ireland. It will fly from to/from secondary airports, but it will also have a premium service "on a par with Virgin's". It's not interested in EI's A330s, although where it's going to get 50 A350s or 787s by the turn of the decade is anyone's guess.

This is going to be very interesting to watch. Of course, I think the 787 is the most likely option, but obviously, MO'L is going to drive both manufacturers hard to get the best deal.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:29 am

This is Aer Lingus' worst nightmare! I cant believe MO'L would try this and it seems it's just another way of destroying competition. After years of saying it does not fit the FR business plan he does this even if it is a new airline and new name but one thing Aer Lingus does have is many years of experience in long-haul hopefully this will help them if FR(or whatever it will be called) wants to go head to head with EI.
I doubt Virgin is happy about this in fact who will be happy, its a long haul version of FR!

[Edited 2007-04-11 21:31:13]

[Edited 2007-04-11 21:31:50]
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:33 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
HUGE News ... FR looking at transatlantic no frills ... fleet of 50 A350s or 787s !

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ills-airline-with-fleet-of-50.html

Aer Lingus is NOT going to like this. I can see EI's share price going a bit south after this. Basically, Ryanair is looking to launch a new transatlantic service, although not just from Ireland. It will fly from to/from secondary airports, but it will also have a premium service "on a par with Virgin's". It's not interested in EI's A330s, although where it's going to get 50 A350s or 787s by the turn of the decade is anyone's guess.

I wonder if he is going to call it "My Way"?  Big grin At long last, he listened to me.

This is NOT good for EI., sadly.

My guess is he has the 787's on order, minus window shades, of course. Big grin
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 16):
This is NOT good for EI., sadly.

Or any other airline, imagine a new long-haul airline out of STN, LGW or LTN! British Airways, VS and the others will not be happy.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
HUGE News ... FR looking at transatlantic no frills ... fleet of 50 A350s or 787s !

It was only a matter of time , we have been joking in the office about it for ages. Looks like now it will be reality. I do however like the idea of a direct flight to Providence RI, its a cool place and only an hour from Boston. It will be interesting to see FR's premium product and also what name they will give to their LH product.


On another note , I was at my desk this morning when I got a parcel!! Forgot I ordered it , was only $23 .



Does anyone know of a decent shop in Ireland to buy these models??? I want to get the whole A380 fleet!!!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 16):
My guess is he has the 787's on order, minus window shades, of course.

Non recling plastic seats with no seat back pocket.
No assingned seating, with 350 pax all rushing to thew plane at once. An ambulance is on standby if anyone gets heurt, put you have to pay to get on, then for the trip to hospital
Charging for bags, the loo, sickbags, all the usual FR stuff, plus lots, lots more! ( or is it less??....)
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:39 am

The plus points for EI is that the pain will be divided among all EU carriers, although DUB is obviously a big base for them. They will take quite a while to build a network up, but with a few years to go before this is set up, EI has at least some time to build its network out of DUB; let's face it, FR will probably focus on the weakest markets, or even unserved markets, so if EI can use the intervening time to make DUB a relatively hard nut to crack, FR could choose to start its operation from somewhere else, like Marseilles, Hahn, Prestwick etc.

That said, it certainly won't be welcome news.

Funny how things change; you start saying to yourself, "nothing much happening this week" and BANG!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
Does anyone know of a decent shop in Ireland to buy these models??? I want to get the whole A380 fleet!!!

Try Mark's Models; not sure of the name of the street, but its on the south side of the quays, up from Twohigs Travel and the IAA. Also try Stillorgan Cycles, across from the shopping centre - they have a small selection upstairs.

Quoting EISHN (Reply 19):
Non recling plastic seats with no seat back pocket.
No assingned seating, with 350 pax all rushing to thew plane at once. An ambulance is on standby if anyone gets heurt, put you have to pay to get on, then for the trip to hospital
Charging for bags, the loo, sickbags, all the usual FR stuff, plus lots, lots more! ( or is it less??....)

I think FR recognises that its long haul service has to be something different; for one hour on a plane, you can take FR's service as it is, but for 7h, you want something more; $12 is just a headline fare; few passengers will get that. They'll want to have something a little more than the basic.

Also, I just can't wait to see what the UK Independent newspaper has to say about this; they'll burst a gasket!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting EISHN (Reply 19):
Non recling plastic seats with no seat back pocket.
No assingned seating, with 350 pax all rushing to thew plane at once. An ambulance is on standby if anyone gets heurt, put you have to pay to get on, then for the trip to hospital
Charging for bags, the loo, sickbags, all the usual FR stuff, plus lots, lots more! ( or is it less??....)

Sounds like a great way to travel. Perhaps he will call it the De Sade Airlines.

Oh, the days when we flow transatlantic on 707s, and use to dress up for the trip -- dresses for women, shirt, tie and jacket for men. And the food was good.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:48 am

The airbridges at dub and snn,do they have advertising on them? Although cork has only 1 airbridge i was wondering if they got the other 3 they were promised,would the advertising not pay for them?  listen 


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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:52 am

I'm really not convinced by this. Ryanair are promising what other long-haul LCCs have done in the past, great service and low fares. A "premium product better than Virgin Atlantic's" is hard to beat after all VS was an LCC long-haul airline when they started out and now look at them, I get cheaper fares on AA, UA and EI.
A long-haul airline with plans to have no interlining with FR or any other airline will not impress business passengers. At least EI has ties with AA and soon B6!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 21):
I think FR recognises that its long haul service has to be something different; for one hour on a plane, you can take FR's service as it is, but for 7h, you want something more; $12 is just a headline fare; few passengers will get that. They'll want to have something a little more than the basic.

Also, I just can't wait to see what the UK Independent newspaper has to say about this; they'll burst a gasket!

SIPTU eat your heart out. Do let us on the other side of the pond know what the Indy has to say. Should be funny.

And I agree with your points on long haul service. Dropping a Euro coin into the loo door handle will not work.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:57 am

Quoting Eirbus06 (Reply 23):

Judging by this view lots of people would see the adverts! Could be a way to get rid of that debt but I think that's already being dealt with.
http://www.cork-spotters.com/photo/d...image.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=6
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:02 am

I don't think EI or EI's investors have anything to worry about just yet, FR will have to wait like everyone else for the 787 or 350 as stated in the article so this gives EI (and indeed other european carriers) time to work on their products and cutting costs (fares) I do think it may end a few airlines altogether, but not being able to check bags through to your final destination will hit home for a lot of travelers fast... having said that... I think this probably means I'm able to take a 3rd transatlantic holiday each year. I personally can't wait.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:16 am

To be honest I think fares will be around the same as what EI offers. One thing that I would welcome is the possibility of long-hul flights from Cork but then again this is a long way away and CO and DL will probably be at ORK by then. EI and the others have a head start, years of long-haul experience and 5 to 8 years warning to what MO'L is planning because lets face it, MyWay is not going to be flying until 2012 at the earliest if he wants A350s/787s.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:24 am

Fantastic news. Absolutely magnificent. Hurrah! It's been muted for quite a while now, here's hoping for a confirmation from the FR HQ!

Of course, we are going to have the media's 'humorous' take on what FR's Long-haul product will be like, if it is ever officially announced. I think, however, that FR could combine low-cost L/H travel with a decent product. No matter what it will be, it HAS to be more consistent then that of EI.

I can't see it being the A350. There is the argument about whoever offers the best unit price will get the order, but fleet commonality and cost savings have always been the name of the game at Ryanair. Boeing, I'd imagine, would die for this order given the numbers FR tend to order in. What about an all economy lay-out, or is the money made on J-class long-haul critical to its success?

I wonder about PTVs? Maybe they'll try what they did with short-haul hand-held PTVs!

I think Hahn will be the centre of the first stage of L/H (should it go ahead), maybe Madrid! Dublin is another story. They'll probably need to start planning T3 to accomodate them.

A nice ending to a fine day! Hurrah for Ryanair.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 21):
I think FR recognises that its long haul service has to be something different; for one hour on a plane, you can take FR's service as it is, but for 7h, you want something more; $12 is just a headline fare; few passengers will get that. They'll want to have something a little more than the basic.

Just having a bit of a laugh. I do know that there has to be something onboard in terms of a proper service. Jet Star L/H flights do offer free food, I think a sandwhihc for the main meal or a hot meal if you pay for one. Only water and fruit are freen onboard, but maybe you can get little sancks free of charge as well. IFE from drop downs is free, and you can buy a personal IFE unit for the trip, as well as an amenity kit.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 29):
No matter what it will be, it HAS to be more consistent then that of EI

Current EI yes but the EI of 2015 could be very different, a simple and strong fleet of A350s or 787s all with one product and a good one at that because I cant see Aer Lingus not taking advantage of what comes in the A350/787 cabins!

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 29):
What about an all economy lay-out, or is the money made on J-class long-haul critical to its success?

MO'L thinks they will have a better premium product than VS which I very much doubt, it doesn't matter how nice the seats are, connecting with other airlines in the US is what's key. When you fly long-haul you cant just fly you passengers to one city and dump them there, they are not going to like getting a greyhound bus to their final destination they would rather board another flight getting there refreshed and quickly.

Economy passengers will not be happy being dumped on the outskirts of the city they thought they were going to after a flight where they had to pay to have a PTV!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:35 am

Anyone else thinks that the timing of this airline could coincide with MOL moving up to bigger and better things?
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 28):
MyWay is not going to be flying until 2012 at the earliest if he wants A350s/787s.

Thats a long time in aviation anything can happen. With all the new carbon taxes etc... the $12 will be $300 as stated before. Now if they did a mistake like last time and offered totally free of tax then that would be worth it LOL...

I see a tailor made product. Pre book online what you want. Hot meal,hand held PTV. I wonder if they will do the same as SAS did and offer different seat pitches. You pay more for say 36'' . Anyway it will be interesting to see if nothing else.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 31):
Current EI yes but the EI of 2015 could be very different,

That's not much good to to the PAX using their services from 2007 to 2015. That's a long time to wait for a half-decent product.

It's typical. The thread started off for the first time ever being dominated by RE news and MO'L stole their thunder once again. I think he did it on purpose! He was reading the thread and saw that his beloved wasn't the centre of attention and just announced MyWay or whatever it's called to restore normality!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:46 am

The idea of FR going T/A throws up a whole load of problems.

To start:

Crews will have to be over-nighted. Something FR don't do at present. Higher costs.

To attract sales in the US, due to their advertising laws, they can't say $12 one way. All taxes & charges need to be confirmed.

Staff costs. L/H pilots and FO's will certainly want a hell of a lot more money

Aren't handling costs in US airports extremely high????

Only selective airports can only be used given immigration issues.


Oh an by the way, they will never be able to match VS. As I said before guys, fly PE on VS LHR-DXB and excellent
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:52 am

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 35):
Aren't handling costs in US airports extremely high????

Lets just say they will not fly to JFK!

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 34):
That's not much good to to the PAX using their services from 2007 to 2015. That's a long time to wait for a half-decent product.

It will have to do because this new airline is not going to be ready tomorrow, more like 2012 at the earliest and by then Aer Lingus will have most of it's interim A330s with the new product such as the Panasonic IFE and cocoon seats, whatever form they take it will be an overall better product.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 35):
Staff costs. L/H pilots and FO's will certainly want a hell of a lot more money

There will always be people willing to work for less!!! Look at what happened in irish Ferries.

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 35):
Crews will have to be over-nighted. Something FR don't do at present. Higher costs.

I wouldnt put it past him to make them work on the outward and fly back as passengers on the return , thus saving hotel bills.

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 35):
As I said before guys, fly PE on VS LHR-DXB and excellent

Yeah especially the new dark brown leather seats .
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 36):
It will have to do

That's a fantastic attitude for an airline to have. A core principal for any service firm is to provide its customers with value which equals or exceeds the amount they paid for their product. Paying hundreds of euro for a lottery system to see if you won the grand prize of EI-DAA really isn't good enough. I don't know why EI-LAX and EI-EWR haven't had PTVs installed as of yet. There's no weight problems like the -300s supposedly have.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 38):
A core principal for any service firm is to provide its customers with value which equals or exceeds the amount they paid for their product. Paying hundreds of euro for a lottery system to see if you won the grand prize of EI-DAA really isn't good enough

Well Aer Lingus fares are not exactly high, I'm thinking of booking LHR-DXB so far return fares are £340 including taxes and charges, cheaper than any other airline out of LHR even if I do have to stop at DUB! Currently Aer Lingus is in no rush for PTVs because no other airline on competing routes have them the only time EI should add PTVs is when the Asia and Africa routes are started they would be stupid to start them without a good IFE system.

Currently MyWay is not a threat and by the time it is hopefully EI will have a growing fleet of A350s/787s and phasing out the the interim A330s such as EI-DUZ and EI-DUO because EI-DAA and friends would be long gone along with the problem of an inconsistent product by that time!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 15):
I cant believe MO'L would try this and it seems it's just another way of destroying competition. After years of saying it does not fit the FR business plan he does this even if it is a new airline and new name

All the more reason NEVER to believe any of the crap that comes out of the mouth of MOL and FR. NONE of it is true, or bears any resemblence to reality.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 29):

I can't see it being the A350. There is the argument about whoever offers the best unit price will get the order, but fleet commonality and cost savings have always been the name of the game at Ryanair. Boeing, I'd imagine, would die for this order given the numbers FR tend to order in. What about an all economy lay-out, or is the money made on J-class long-haul critical to its success?

I guess if this were ever to happen a lot of chanes would have to be made to the FR style business model. A premium cabin is a must, to cover much of the cost. It remains to be seen if passengers will translate their short haul habits to long haul ones. I think there is a good chance that they might.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 33):
I see a tailor made product. Pre book online what you want. Hot meal,hand held PTV. I wonder if they will do the same as SAS did and offer different seat pitches. You pay more for say 36'' . Anyway it will be interesting to see if nothing else.

Sopt on, although I think the PTV's would be installed in the seats. Just use your credit/debit card to activate it, order food, etc. I think Potin might be able to fill us in more on the specifics of it.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 37):
I wouldnt put it past him to make them work on the outward and fly back as passengers on the return , thus saving hotel bills.

Perhaps, but American/Asian, etc crews would also be required. Revenue seats would also be lost, as would crew productivity. I dont think it would be possile for crews to work DUB-NYC, fly back and do flights the next day. Im pretty sire a crew could do DUB-NYC and then do NYC-DUB the next day. Im sure MOL could get a good deal on some motel somewhere.

This is an interesting development....I dont think we should be in any doubt that Aer Lingus would have been used as a vehicle for long haul, low fares, had MOL goten his mits on the airline.

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Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 40):
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 15):
I cant believe MO'L would try this and it seems it's just another way of destroying competition. After years of saying it does not fit the FR business plan he does this even if it is a new airline and new name

All the more reason NEVER to believe any of the crap that comes out of the mouth of MOL and FR. NONE of it is true, or bears any resemblence to reality.

A few weeks ago he was saying in a sad tone "I will leave Ryanair in 2 or 3 years" he is not going anywhere!

With plans like this he will have to stay on until 2011 so he can see how his new venture in doing and make sure he has control over everything that happens but what will happen to the current FR will they just get a new CEO or will he spend time with both of them, have Ryanair every Monday, Wednesday and Friday while he takes care of MyWay the other days!
 
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RE: Irish 18/07, Checks Complete And Ready To Roll!

Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 40):
It remains to be seen if passengers will translate their short haul habits to long haul ones. I think there is a good chance that they might.

It's an interesting point. I know Laker and one or two others have tried and failed at LCC long-haul but MO'L and FR aren't any novices in this game.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 39):
I'm thinking of booking LHR-DXB so far return fares are £340 including taxes and charges, cheaper than any other airline out of LHR even if I do have to stop at DUB!

Not bad at all. Anyway, I'm de-activating armchair CEO mode for tonight!

G'night.
 
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RE: Irish 18/07, Checks Complete And Ready To Roll!

Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:45 am

What state will DUB be in come 2012 (or whenever this venture may happen) ? Will T2 and T1 terminal extensions be able to cope if they decide to go for the full 5 US destinations from the start alngside other L/H expansion by EI and others ?
Then again, maybe DUB is not part of the plans.......who knows ?
As a poster said on the previous thread, fly BOS-SNN-DUB and three quaters of the passengers regularly dis-embark at SNN. Isn't it possible that the Irish flights could leave from SNN and not DUB at all ?
Haven't we been here before ?
 
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RE: Irish 18/07, Checks Complete And Ready To Roll

Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 37):
I wouldnt put it past him to make them work on the outward and fly back as passengers on the return , thus saving hotel bills.

So if the outbound crew dead-head back as pax, who will fly the return leg then? That wouldn't work unless there were crew based at every destination.
 
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RE: Irish 18/07, Checks Complete And Ready To Roll!

Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:11 am

Sorry if this is old news but has anyone seen the new Cityjet livery and logo?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1197442/L/

and :

http://www.airfrance.ie/IE/en/local/...=ccciaddkjgflmjdcefecekedgfndgfl.0

Although it is VERY white, I really like it.
 
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RE: Irish 18/07, Checks Complete And Ready To Roll!

Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:20 am

Why are they bothering putting that livery on just one aircraft. Its not as if its a big recognisable brand (in fact I suspect that its something to do with their other odd agreements with AF like not more than 100 seats per plane), they should just have the whole lot in AF colours.
 
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RE: Irish 18/07, Checks Complete And Ready To Roll!

Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 45):
it is VERY white, I really like it.

Ohhh its a bit too bare for me , I like the colours but it needs more on it.
 
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RE: Irish 18/07, Checks Complete And Ready To Roll!

Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:26 am

Firstly, MOL has said VERY clearly that this business will be run independently to the current FR. This means different crew, potentially different aircraft (airbus), different business plan, etc etc. So lets not get too hung up on how it affects the current FR, because it won't. I can see Michael Crawley taking over fully at FR, with MOL driving the new airline forward as a separate entity.

My thoughts:
- Of course there will be full PTVs on the aircraft, and as stated, it will be pay-per view.
- No free meals, you should be able to order what you want via the IFE/online for a price.
- Dublin WILL be the starting base, or one of the very early bases at least. They will go for the low hanging fruit first, New York (Long Island), Boston (Providence) etc etc. This will trash yields for EI.
- No interlining, strictly point to point service.
- Dorms will be set up near the airport for overnighting crews. Max 24 hours unpaid rest before returning the next day.
- Flights will operate at least daily (at least at first).
- Premium class will actually be quiet good
- There will be assigned seating, (very short turnaround time is less important on longer segments)

I'm sure there are lots of US and indeed EU airports lining up to offer MOL good deals. I also think this might be about to happen a lot quicker than people think. And not just from MOL. I'm sure there are teams working hard on LCLH business plans in easyJet, AirBerlin, Jet2, jetBlue etc etc now that open skies has been agreed. MOL won't want to be left behind.
 
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RE: Irish 18/07, Checks Complete And Ready To Roll!

Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 48):
I also think this might be about to happen a lot quicker than people think. And not just from MOL. I'm sure there are teams working hard on LCLH business plans in easyJet, AirBerlin, Jet2, jetBlue etc etc now that open skies has been agreed. MOL won't want to be left behind.

I think you are right, with the advent of O/S there will certainly be more competition. Most of it will not be from MOL's attempt at long haul. This will be a very tough nut to crack. Ideally the airline would be able to do domestic US runs between the european sectors. e.g. DUB-NYC-MCO-NYC-DUB etc. I know the US has pretty strict rules on this.

Volumes of passengers would need to be very large to make this work. I could see aircraft like the 77W, 380 and 748i coming into their own here. I suppose its like the 738 replacing 732's and A320s replacing 733/734/735. Then the question becomes, con these very large aircraft be handled at the secondary airports FR L/H would target? Would a large enough market exist. Cargo is also another consideration.

Long haul FR/U2 style is coming, but it will be very, very difficult to do. Especially as middle east carriers are moving in a polar opposite direction, yet still with rock bottom fares.

Brian.
Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
 
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RE: Irish 18/07, Checks Complete And Ready To Roll!

Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:23 pm

Hi all. i have been reading these posts for a few years now and finally decided that i would take the plunge and join.
I work in Dublin Airport, but rarely hear any info apart from what i read on the never ending Irish threads here!!

I do have some info regarding the new seats on EI-DUO and EI-DUZ. They are being made by Recaro.

Premier:

http://www.recaro-as.com/ras/product...range/full-flat/cl-6510/index.html

Economy:

http://www.recaro-as.com/ras/product...class/longrange/cl-3510/index.html

Obviously the colours will be different but they look nice apart from that. Nice to see PTV's in economy.

EIDUZ
Aer Lingus - National Pride.