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Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:08 pm

Not a good week for ASIG out at DTW.

After an 18-year old employee was run over and killed by a pushback tractor on the ramp Monday night, today ASIG had another incident involving its employees.

An ASIG deicer truck driver was driving recklessly and managed roll over the deicing truck. When police arrived, they found open containers of booze in the truck, and the driver tested positive for alcohol. Besides all this, he was underage.

The driver wasn't seriously injured, but the vehicle was totalled. No aircraft were involved in the incident.

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STUPID!!!! I am at a lack of words to use in the situation. What a good way to jeopardize the lives of hundreds of passengers. Deicing is a serious matter. I have no idea what would cause a person to drink on the job like this.

Now before we go and jump all over the age of these employees, there are many of us on here who have worked on the ramp at this age and have been very good employees, followed procedures, and been safe. This person, isn't even fit to flip burgers. Again, with what they pay some of these people, that is the level of talent it attracts.
 
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:18 pm

Some people are just plain stupid. You never drink on the job. You are putting your future with that job at risk aswell as the image of that company. If you dont like the job, then just quit. Im sick of these 18 year olds making a bad rep for us youngsters.


Thank god the man didnt cause any damage. Him hitting a fuel truck or even a airplane fully loaded with fuel and passangers would of been catostrophic
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:32 pm

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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 2):

some of them only do the job to pay the bills of college.


and there is the group of people that care.
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:38 pm

This is almost as good as the guy who got off of the Zamboni DUI last week.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/325515,CST-NWS-zam04.article

Well, it is obviously stupid as he is putting himself, others, and equipment at risk-I do know a few de-icers who are always freezing their nuggets off out there. He must have wanted to throw some fuel on the fire.
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:58 pm

wernt there just also a bunch of incidents where de-icers hit 2 SW planes @ EWR i believe??
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:20 pm

man..........forget the guys age or if he pays school bills and all that crap.
shit like this happens everywhere, i know people with years of experience that every now and then came to work smelling like Tanquerai, Sapphire or cheap ass Jin Bean, people that been with the company for years. you know it, i'm sure you've seen it, but in this case people react quicker 'cause of the guys age, but you know it happens and there aint no way to avoid it.
thank God he didn't hurt anyone.
 
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Now before we go and jump all over the age of these employees, there are many of us on here who have worked on the ramp at this age and have been very good employees,

Well I am going to jump. I think hiring these extremely young people is not a wise thing to do.

With age comes maturity and maturity is something needed in certain jobs. A person who drives a de-ice truck around or who actually deices needs a certainly level of maturity to assure the job is done properly.

Good God. They are employing children because they can do so cheaply.

This just shows you get what you pay for.
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 7):
Well I am going to jump. I think hiring these extremely young people is not a wise thing to do.

With age comes maturity and maturity is something needed in certain jobs. A person who drives a de-ice truck around or who actually deices needs a certainly level of maturity to assure the job is done properly.

I have to disagree with that statement. I thin it depends on the person. I was hired at 18 at Southwest at BDL. During my first winter on the ramp, I was the one stuck with deicing. It is not hard, nor is it a job that an 18 year old can't do. I enjoyed deicing and in a way miss doing it now that I'm down in MCO. I can say I did the job properly as I never had a problem with any plane I've deiced, and I've deiced many. My first two years spent at WN was in BDL where deicing is an almost a daily occurrence all winter. I have driven the truck, I have worked the bucket, and never had a problem. Maybe I'm more mature for my age, but I'm sure there are plenty of other 18 year olds that can do the job safely like me.
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 7):
With age comes maturity and maturity is something needed in certain jobs. A person who drives a de-ice truck around or who actually deices needs a certainly level of maturity to assure the job is done properly.

Because people over 30 NEVER show up to work drunk  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:12 pm

Folks...18 yr olds are dying in Iraq for their job with the US Military. Of course persons at that age can handle an airport vehicle and work around aircraft safely and do the job right.

I have worked alongside ASIG at multiple airports and their operations have been good...ASIG is a major refueler in the United States for instance. They are apparently the ground handler for Spirit at DTW.

ASIG at DTW has apparently suffered two incidents regarding safety in as many weeks...I am sure that ASIG has a team on the field examining all steps of their operation, training, and their local management. There are great people in the ground handling business but they fight a major problem with only being able to offer quite low wages combined with no airline benefits. The example of Menzies taking over Alaska Air ramp at SEA and the slew of damages comes to mind. (Menzies is the ground handler for Spirit at FLL...their other major hub.)
 
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:21 pm

Further evidence that alcohol makes people stupid. Carrie Nation was right.

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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:22 pm

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 2):
College interns, what do they know? Angry Yeah sure

Hey, I'm a college intern!  Silly
 
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:39 pm

Didn't they teach him not to drink the glycol?
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:04 pm

I am a college student working to pay the bills and I work with others who do the same. We all work alongside older employees who have been working the ramp before we were even born. I see the same level of professionalism from both age groups. There are always going to be those who make a bad name for us younger workers. I suppose that just means we have to work that much harder to show we can cut it.
 
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:20 pm

Weirdo.
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:55 pm

It's not the age that matters, it's these bottom-of-the-barrel outsourcing companies that hire scummy folks.

Not to insult those who do work there, as I once did, but these $7/hr companies pay so little, what do they expect to get?

At least it didn't hit an a/c or another employee.

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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 9):
Because people over 30 NEVER show up to work drunk

Exactly.  drunk 

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 10):
Folks...18 yr olds are dying in Iraq for their job with the US Military. Of course persons at that age can handle an airport vehicle and work around aircraft safely and do the job right.

And yet....they aren'y even allowed to drink in this country...but thats a whole other argument in itself...

Quoting Tlfd29 (Reply 14):
am a college student working to pay the bills and I work with others who do the same.

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I have worked at my current airline for 3 yrs. and have worked my up from ramp, to Ops, become a GSC...and now Im a ramp lead. Apparently Im trusted enough at 23 to manage key aspects of our business.

DO NOT blame age!
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 7):
With age comes maturity and maturity is something needed in certain jobs.

I have to respectfully disagree with you here. IMO, whit the acceptance of responsibilty comes maturity. Age has very little to do with it.

I know other people my age (22) who are quite responsible and mature [I do like to include myself in that group, though I am a bit biased] and conversely, I know several people who are considerably older (i.e. in the 35-45 range) who are less mature than college freshmen I know [I'm managing services contracts worth upwards of $50k each; one of the older folks I referenced has a habit of wrestling with people on boardroom tables woth almost as much]

Stupid people will be stupid regardless of age. There was one 50 year old around here who, IIRC, was recently busted for his 25th DUI or something obscene like that.

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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:58 am

I am quite sure for many years, and even today, that a small number of people who worked the ramp at airports were alcoholics or problem drinkers, or had a bottle or flask of booze with them for the very cold days. However in recent years, the greater awareness of the harm intoxicated workers can cause to themselves and others at all kinds of workplaces has made drinking on the job or to be intoxicated during working hours unacceptable and an instant way to lose one's job.
There needs to be much stricter checks of employees as they enter into or during their work in secure areas (perhaps with spot checks) at that airport for their work to see if they have counterband items, like knives, guns, tools and alcoholic beverages. There also needs to be a through review of ramp management by the airport or the contracted company higher management or security department persons to clean up such problems.
 
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 7):
Well I am going to jump. I think hiring these extremely young people is not a wise thing to do.

Never come to MKE...all the ASIG (signature) people are freak'n older people that scare the crap out of me! They zip around in their 3000+ gallon tankers and don't give people the legal right of way. They are the most careless people at the airport on most days. These guys are always breaking our company policies or almost killing our passengers and we tell them day after day and their supervisors don't do anything about it when we call and scream.
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 18):
Stupid people will be stupid regardless of age. There was one 50 year old around here who, IIRC, was recently busted for his 25th DUI or something obscene like that.

WARNING RANT IN PROGRESS...

If someone can get that many DUI's without going to jail, getting their car taken away or having their license suspended, then something else is stupid. I guess as long as we make money from vehicle taxes and gasoline, we will have drunk drivers. I have finally figured out a long time ago that we need as many drivers out there as possible to keep the money ball rolling regardless of safety. How many dead every year from car accidents...50,000-60,000? Next time you see a football game, check out what 60,000 really looks like and please tell me why this is even allowed. Oh yeah...profits.

RANT OVER.

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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 10):
(Menzies is the ground handler for Spirit at FLL...their other major hub.)

That's probably because Spirit can't hire anybody on their own...They're STILL looking to fill positions that I interviewed for in JANUARY!
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:27 pm

From Guam Variety Newspaper

Airport luggage theft ring busted
By Gina Tabonares
Variety News Staff

AIRPORT police on Tuesday night, arrested four airport luggage handlers
believed to be part of a syndicate that steals personal items from
passengers’ baggage and suitcases, after a two-month sting operation.
Guam International Airport Authority general manager Jess Torres confirmed the
arrest of four workers at the Aircraft Service International Group, or ASIG,
saying that there will be more arrests as an investigation of the luggage
pilfering activities continues.
The four arrested employees are Orville Tapia, Florencio Bautista, Renato
Reburiano and Elvin Ramos Galvez.
They were charged with theft of property held in trust, conspiracy, guilt
established by complicity, and crimical facilitation.
Torres said the arrested ramp workers are not GIAA employees because they were
contracted by ASIG, which has been a tenant of the airport for several years.
He said the arrests were made after an investigation showed that there was
compelling evidence to substantiate suspicions.
ASIG is one of the world’s most highly regarded independent airfield service
companies, providing comprehensive ground handling, fuelling and passenger
services to commercial aviation customers throughout Europe and the United
States, operating at 44 of the world’s top 100 airports.
According to Torres, ASIG bought the locally-managed firm that provides
manpower for cargo and luggage handling for GIAA two years ago.
After the 911 attacks, the Transportation Security Administration of the U.S.
Department of Homeland Security began discouraging passengers from locking
bags because of the screening process.
“The alleged luggage thieves took advantage of the situation for their
personal greed,” Torres said.
When complaints from air carriers started increasing, airport management began
an inside investigation.
Torres told Variety that airline companies discovered that those who
complained their personal belongings like cameras and jewelry were missing
were passengers who went through GIAA.
Torres said the sting operation was initiated in December last year and
Airport Police Chief Mark Charfauros picked three seasoned airport officers to
conduct the in-house investigation.
He said they also invested in surveillance cameras and monitoring devices to
catch the culprits in the act of pilfering the luggage.
Torres said air carriers have different ways of handling their luggage and
after a thorough review and meeting with airlines, they decided to launch the
sting operation.
“Our investigation revealed that there were individuals back there who were
collaborating to steal. We don’t allow that kind of illegal activity. I have
zero tolerance for that,” Torres told Variety.
While he said that this has been happening in other airports, the people of
Guam expect that the airport management will address the complaints
vigorously.
He also revealed that the stealing began the moment the luggage or boxes left
the TSA x-ray machine to go to a screening area and into a baggage make-up
area handled by ASIG workers.
Torres said the arrested individuals work for a private firm contracted by a
carrier, and as of yesterday, none who work directly for GIAA have been found
to be involved.
“But whether you belong to a private firm or you’re an airport worker, you
don’t have a place here. Stealing is a crime and you have to pay for
that,” he said.
Torres said they are closely coordinating with the Attorney General’s Office
to pursue the case against the arrested ASIG workers while they are
collaborating with airline companies on how to stop luggage pilferage.
 
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:04 pm

Quoting COSPN (Reply 23):

ASIG owned by parent company Signature will hire anyone who will work for their pay so that they can make 100s of millions. But then again, that's why I travel with a bag large enough, yet small enough to fit in the order head bins. Or if I have to check, nothing but clothes and useless stuff goes in that bag. All the goodies come with me in a carry-on.

[Edited 2007-04-13 06:20:13]
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 22):
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 10):
(Menzies is the ground handler for Spirit at FLL...their other major hub.)

That's probably because Spirit can't hire anybody on their own...They're STILL looking to fill positions that I interviewed for in JANUARY!

Ramp in FLL has always been contracted out. Very few cities in the system have NK rampers. DTW, ACY, MYR are the only ones I can think of
 
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RE: Drunk Deicer Crashed Truck, Arrested At DTW

Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Again, with what they pay some of these people, that is the level of talent it attracts.

Generally speaking, this is very true. Even dedicated, hard workers (even those of age), at the low wages are going to have a tough time taking that job seriously for a long time. But no matter the wage, this stuff can always happen. Even though if the wage were to double, the help might be a little better.